[Archived] Steve Kean

[A cup of beans]

19 goals in 18 matches only, so there is little point discussing how we score our measly rations is there?

you brought the 19 goals in 18 matches stat... i never mentioned it!

im not going over old ground on the longball stuff... given my opinion... NUMEROUS TIMES. you know it too cos youve responded to most of them!

[onlyonejackwalker]

you brought the 19 goals in 18 matches stat... i never mentioned it!

im not going over old ground on the longball stuff... given my opinion... NUMEROUS TIMES. you know it too cos youve responded to most of them!

Sorry. I am not stalking you. Your posts just make me laugh with their blatant ignorance and lack of thought and I can't resist typing back. Have a good weekend my hoofball loving Rovers friend.

[cruz]

My season ticket concern is not Kean but the expected price increase

So if Kean continues as manager next season------you won't be concerned?

Not what he said! He said the main factor affecting whether he buys a season ticket will be whether he can afford one. Whoever the manager is, Kean or a.n.other he'll probably buy one if they remain affordable. As will I. It's not the manager my ticket supports - it's the club.

I'm asking the question!

What I mean is the main factor affecting whether I buy a season ticket will be whether I can afford one. Whoever the manager is, Kean or a.n.other, I'll probably buy one if they remain affordable. As will quite a few others. It's not the manager my ticket supports - it's the club.

[A cup of beans]

Sorry. I am not stalking you. Your posts just make me laugh with their blatant ignorance and lack of thought and I can't resist typing back. Have a good weekend my hoofball loving Rovers friend.

ignorance... ???

[LeChuck]

blackpool aside in the 2nd half... under kean most of our goals havent been from hoofballs? have they ?

we have used it from time to time... mixed the play up aswell

The Fulham goals were very scrappy. Wigan too. I can't remember the Villa one. Was the Birmingham one Hoilett taking advantage of a mistake in the defence?

I can't remember the last time we scored a good team goal, West Brom in January perhaps?

Over the last few months we've scored a very large proportion of scrappy goals.

[47er]

What I mean is the main factor affecting whether I buy a season ticket will be whether I can afford one. Whoever the manager is, Kean or a.n.other, I'll probably buy one if they remain affordable. As will quite a few others. It's not the manager my ticket supports - it's the club.

It'll be dearer in the Championship!

[chris]

The Fulham goals were very scrappy. Wigan too. I can't remember the Villa one. Was the Birmingham one Hoilett taking advantage of a mistake in the defence?

I can't remember the last time we scored a good team goal, West Brom in January perhaps?

Over the last few months we've scored a very large proportion of scrappy goals.

Again same record, The Walker Trust lack of investment left us with a load of rubbish upfront, we all know that.

If we had a decent striker we would have scored some decent goals. actually Olsson was good.

I thought RSC would have been a step in the right direction, guess not.

Hopefully with investment we get a good striker.

[Mattyblue]

'Investment' means something completely different in football compared to every other business!

[A cup of beans]

The Fulham goals were very scrappy. Wigan too. I can't remember the Villa one. Was the Birmingham one Hoilett taking advantage of a mistake in the defence?

I can't remember the last time we scored a good team goal, West Brom in January perhaps?

Over the last few months we've scored a very large proportion of scrappy goals.

from hoofballs ? that was my point.

cool finish after rounding the keeper v birmingham, and last weeks goal was a corker.

kalinic's 1st at westbrom might have been a bit direct but it was played to up rather than pumped up aimlessly.

[Gamst]

i am trying to work at the same time me be educuated by you... never!

blackpool aside in the 2nd half... under kean most of our goals havent been from hoofballs? have they ?

we have used it from time to time... mixed the play up aswell

And it was the second half against Blackpool where we created chances and scored goals. The hoofball isn't glamorous, but it suits the slow and cumbersome bunch of players we have. Its interesting that you have been enjoying the football more since Kean has taken over, I have found it equally as boring as when Sam was in charge and nowhere near as affective. The most obvious issue since Kean took over has been the complete lack of chances. In most of the games we have created absolutely nothing and conceded at the other end. The goals we have scored have hardly been Barcelona-esque. I don't find losing ineffective football very enjoyable to watch.

Enjoyed Steve's comments regarding the poor form resulting from a change of manager. He almost suggested it was inevitable. Such a poor run hasn't occurred under any of our other new managers over the last 25 years!

[Athlete]

oh no! NINE PEOPLE! how will the club cope with that! ?

as gav said, insignificant number!

Take that over a wider range of people you'll get the same percentage....people are fed up at the moment but come renewing time a lot wont want to miss there fix of footy ???..but if the price goes up and standard also goes down ???? ( well it will if kean stays ) what you have to understand is a lot of families are struggling to make ends meet at the moment and handing large sums of cash over to Venkys ?? well that wont be high on the list of peoples own priorities/budgets.....

But if Rovers stay up , get rid of kean , get a proper manager with full control , a possible marque signing ..well then that giving money for a season ticket will go up on household budgets/priorities....

[Mercer]

Plenty (including my mate's Dad in Law, a lifelong Rover and ST holder of many years standing) vowed that this year's ST would be the last as long as Allardyce was boss.

My mate's outlaw would have been a much sadder loss for the club than you Miseryman.

You just can't resist the dig, can you Septic ?

No foundation at all to back up your comment.

Almost 50 years following our club at home, away and in Europe - including the dark days when we were stuck at the bottom of the old Third Division.

[A cup of beans]

Take that over a wider range of people you'll get the same percentage....people are fed up at the moment but come renewing time a lot wont want to miss there fix of footy ???..but if the price goes up and standard also goes down ???? ( well it will if kean stays ) what you have to understand is a lot of families are struggling to make ends meet at the moment and handing large sums of cash over to Venkys ?? well that wont be high on the list of peoples own priorities/budgets.....

But if Rovers stay up , get rid of kean , get a proper manager with full control , a possible marque signing ..well then that giving money for a season ticket will go up on household budgets/priorities....

handing money to venkys is the issue then... ? almost hidden athlete...

again time will tell.

[Athlete]

Well Matty, recent history proves that not to be the case if memory serves me correctly.

You could talk about different times and different owners, but we did ok last time we went down, and the tickets cost more also, I think.

correct me if I'm wrong but crowds were well down to around the 16,000 mark and even less...crewe at home Sunday lunchtime anyone ???

handing money to venkys is the issue then... ? almost hidden athlete...

again time will tell.

[/quote 0

why are you so pro venkys ?????...in the short space of time they've owned the club look what they've done ..Jack Walker will be turning in his grave !

correct me if I'm wrong but crowds were well down to around the 16,000 mark and even less...crewe at home Sunday lunchtime anyone ???

handing money to venkys is the issue then... ? almost hidden athlete...

again time will tell.

why are you so pro venkys ?????...in the short space of time they've owned the club look what they've done ..Jack Walker will be turning in his grave !

anyone who thinks venkys have been good for BRFC so far are deluded beyond belief

[Gav]

correct me if I'm wrong but crowds were well down to around the 16,000 mark and even less...crewe at home Sunday lunchtime anyone ???

I think Matty said ST sales will be horrendous Athlete, and I'm not sure that will be the case.

Gates will go down, if we go down, but season ticket sales, if priced correctly, wouldn't suffer to much in my opinion.

[A cup of beans]

why are you so pro venkys ?????...in the short space of time they've owned the club look what they've done ..Jack Walker will be turning in his grave !

as you say yourself theyve been inchage for a short space of time and its well documented that im prepared to give venkys chance to deliver on their promises.

bringing jack walker and spinning in graves sounds a bit desperate.

correct me if I'm wrong but crowds were well down to around the 16,000 mark and even less...crewe at home Sunday lunchtime anyone ???

C so far are deluded beyond belief

crowds were down after a very poor season.

if i remember right the home gates in the championship under kidd were around 19,000... but then dropped off.

i remember the crewe game. last game incharge for tony parkes i think ?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

You just can't resist the dig, can you Septic ?

Pot, kettle and black Misery.

No foundation at all to back up your comment.

The foundation for my comment is all over this mb ever since you decided to haunt it.

Almost 50 years following our club at home, away and in Europe - including the dark days when we were stuck at the bottom of the old Third Division.

What's this? "who's the biggest Rovers fan" competetion? At least I dont think the Dingles are more passionate supporters than us.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Enjoyed Steve's comments regarding the poor form resulting from a change of manager. He almost suggested it was inevitable. Such a poor run hasn't occurred under any of our other new managers over the last 25 years!

I have thought about this myself - but I think the Kean situation is somewhat unique. He took over from a relatively successful manager (for our club) - who had the full backing of the players - who in reality didn't deserve the sack. We also had new owners who seemed to create waves from 100's of miles away without attending matches and yet expecting staff to travel to meet them.

In some aspects I think Kean hasn't done too bad considering this back drop - and the general derision that followed his full time appointment. Before anyone jumps on me - have results been good enough - no, have tactics been good enough - no, but have improved.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Enjoyed Steve's comments regarding the poor form resulting from a change of manager. He almost suggested it was inevitable. Such a poor run hasn't occurred under any of our other new managers over the last 25 years!

I have thought about this myself - but I think the Kean situation is somewhat unique. He took over from a relatively successful manager (for our club) - who had the full backing of the players - who in reality didn't deserve the sack. We also had new owners who seemed to create waves from 100's of miles away without attending matches and yet expecting staff to travel to meet them.

In some aspects I think Kean hasn't done too bad considering this back drop - and the general derision that followed his full time appointment. Before anyone jumps on me - have results been good enough - no, have tactics been good enough - no, but have improved.

[den]

In some aspects I think Kean hasn't done too bad considering this back drop - and the general derision that followed his full time appointment. Before anyone jumps on me - have results been good enough - no, have tactics been good enough - no, but have improved.

So in which way has he not done too bad?

[gumboots]

I have thought about this myself - but I think the Kean situation is somewhat unique. He took over from a relatively successful manager (for our club) - who had the full backing of the players - who in reality didn't deserve the sack. We also had new owners who seemed to create waves from 100's of miles away without attending matches and yet expecting staff to travel to meet them.

In some aspects I think Kean hasn't done too bad considering this back drop - and the general derision that followed his full time appointment. Before anyone jumps on me - have results been good enough - no, have tactics been good enough - no, but have improved.

That's largely what I said yesterday - the other managers leaving were either because they were doing badly or because they were doing well and wanted to go. the shock sacking of allardyce was something it really did take a while for the players, media etc to get their head round and even then they didn't understand it - I don't think any of us do, though quite a lot of us hoped it would be for the appointment of another experienced manager who might just give us slightly more attractive football whilst still ensuring that we were hard to beat.

[BuckyRover]

That's largely what I said yesterday - the other managers leaving were either because they were doing badly or because they were doing well and wanted to go. the shock sacking of allardyce was something it really did take a while for the players, media etc to get their head round and even then they didn't understand it - I don't think any of us do, though quite a lot of us hoped it would be for the appointment of another experienced manager who might just give us slightly more attractive football whilst still ensuring that we were hard to beat.

I think you are one of the most rational and measured posters on this board.

[John]

My thoughts/opinion on Kean below, possibly being too kind.

Transfers have been OK (and that is probably being too nice) – after a slow start Jermaine Jones has looked really good and been the pick of the January signings - the rest have not really contributed, Rochina looks sharp but also not ready yet.

Tactics – we are more compact compared with earlier in his reign, however Kean still does not appear to know his best 11 or formation.

Motivation – players are “behind him” I think however the new contracts in January were made, IMO, to enforce his authority on the squad (it all seemed a bit fake to me) – there has been some real commitment in our last few matches, however also a few matches where the players looked all over the place (probably more down to tactics/organisation). Ultimately the manager needs to breed a winning mentality.

Handling the media / PR – not great or as smooth as some seem to think. Clearly did not have a clue how the transfer system works and bigged up our assistant manager saying the world of football would take notice. Also comes across overly positive (delusional) probably to satisfy our owners (on instructions from his agent IMO as he knows what they are like).

And our results on the pitch, the most important bit (remember ), well, horrific so far...

Could he end up being a good manager? Results to date suggest no chance, however could turn it around (would be a dramatic turn around!) however not only are there serious question marks over him but also the credentials/ability of his coaching staff.

And just a reminder why we even have this thread and why he is our manager....

Steve Kean, the coach promoted into Allardyce's chair, is himself represented by Anderson who, senior football sources say, has for years rated Kean as highly promising.

Jerome Anderson on Talksport, "Steve Kean is a very good manager".

[Amo]

I don't know why people are being so critical of Kean's signings.

Who, exactly, has done much better on the same budget this January? A lot of us wanted to snap up Bentley, but he's hardly set the world alight - under an experienced, no-nonsense manager, no less.

Sam's record in the market at Rovers was hardly much better.

Success -

Salgado

Givet

Nzonzi

E. Diouf

Flops -

Kalinic

Di Santo

Goulon

Basturk

Chimbonda

Jacobsen

Van Heerden

* Amine Linganzi

Benjani

Mame Diouf

[John]

Obviously different manager's manage players in different ways in order to get the best out of that player - for example Bentley is clearly a talented player, not injury prone, knows the club well (plus still gets on very well with many of the players here) so who is to say he would not have performed much better here, I reckon he would have.

You could say the same applies to RSC, however Cruz is different as he has never been been fully fit apparently when playing for us.