[Archived] Steve Kean

[Amo]

Obviously different manager's manage players in different ways in order to get the best out of that player - for example Bentley is clearly a talented player, not injury prone, knows the club well (plus still gets on very well with many of the players here) so who is to say he would not have performed much better here, I reckon he would have.

You could say the same applies to RSC, however Cruz is different as he has never been been fully fit apparently when playing for us.

Really? Both Redknapp & McLeish have failed to straighten out Bentley, but you think Kean would?

[John]

I could see the merits in signing Bentley because he has talent, experience of playing in this league hence why Mcleish originally wanted him - Bentley would probably have done better for Spurs had he not been up against Lennon.

It has not helped him that off the field problems have taken his eye off football too.

Sadly don't have any kind of crystal ball so probably cannot work out if Kean could successfully man manage him.

Sparky managed him pretty well previously, can say that with some certainty.

[Amo]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wanted us to look at Bentley. We know first-hand what a class player he is, when he's in the right frame of mind. But obviously he hasn't put that problem behind him, as proven so far at Brum, so there was no guarantees in January - even with someone of Bentley's quality.

[BangkokRover]

All this talking by certain people who blindly follow Kean and still his win percentage is lower than 24%. Which no matter how certain people want to spin it is shocking.

[Amo]

All this talking by certain people who blindly follow Kean and still his win percentage is lower than 24%. Which no matter how certain people want to spin it is shocking.

Not slagging off Kean 24/7 =/= Blindly following him.

Just so you know.

[jim mk2]

In some aspects I think Kean hasn't done too bad considering this back drop - and the general derision that followed his full time appointment. Before anyone jumps on me - have results been good enough - no, have tactics been good enough - no, but have improved.

What aspects would those be ? I can't think of a single one.

[Jimmy612]

Really? Both Redknapp & McLeish have failed to straighten out Bentley, but you think Kean would?

I don't know how much Redknapp tried to straighten out Bentley. He wasn't his signing after all, he appears to much prefer Lennon.

Mere speculation but maybe Redknapp just didn't like Bentley as a player and had pretty much given up on him. Has he ever had an extended run in the team at any point?

More concerning for me is that he has gone to Birmingham and failed to get into their team. I know Larsson is a decent player but I wouldn't have put him up there with Bentley talent wise.

What a waste of a great talent. Hughes' man-management must be pretty good, he had a number of players who were prone to sulking or mischeif making throughout the squad doing very well. McCarthy and Bentley for instance, Bellamy is another. Mind you he did have that little spat with McCarthy when he dropped him against Arsenal. What a great goal that was

[BangkokRover]

Not slagging off Kean 24/7 =/= Blindly following him.

Just so you know.

Everything Kean has done is not wrong but no matter what anyone says if we go down it will be kean's fault and no one else's. Of course if we stay up he will be presented as a wonderful manager by certain people on this board. Which at the end of the day he is not.

[Mercer]

Pot, kettle and black Misery. DGS, yes your quite right, apologies, got dragged down to your level of mentality.

The foundation for my comment is all over this mb ever since you decided to haunt it. One could easily level the same about you.

What's this? "who's the biggest Rovers fan" competetion? Not in the least, just making the observation that I am as well placed as most to comment on the recent trials and tribulations of our once great club.

At least I dont think the Dingles are more passionate supporters than us. Too many get hung-up about the Dingles. Yes, there are some morons there, just like at most clubs including ours, however, there are also some sound people there. I really find some of the Rovers / Burnley arguments to be ridiculous.

Back to the thread, enjoy your weekend and I hope Kean delivers the result to make us all happy!

[chris]

What aspects would those be ? I can't think of a single one.

these are mine.

Positives:

No matter how bad Bolton were we were everywhere on Sat first to everthing, we wanted it, that was our last game, only as good as your last game.

Not playing Olsson at left back and pushing him to left mid is a good move, as proven.

J Jones looks an excellent loanie.

Having Salgado come out and say he see's a bright future is good because he's a bigger winner then anyone we have probably every had here. when roberts back him its meaningless.

I think he was right to sign RSC on loan, I can;t say I wouldn't have its only a loan no long term commitment. win some lose some.

The midfield and defence are looking a bit more solid, its a shame we have tosh upfront, that needs to be addressed.

He plays Andrews less then Sam did.

Negative:

I still don't like the fact he got the job without experience.

He talks some right bull, its frustrating but Venkys, Nicko and the players seem to be eating it up.

He should have really got a better striker, but then I was fooled into think RSC would do well.

Not sure the point of Formica, will have to wait on that one, was hoping for an impact.

His record is bad, but I still partly blame a lack of investment over many years for that.

He does not that the presence of a top manager, this might change. At least he is not as bad as Harford and Kidd.

Making some clear rookie mistakes.

[gumboots]

I think you are one of the most rational and measured posters on this board.

Now that really would make my family laugh!

[BangkokRover]

these are mine.

Positives:

No matter how bad Bolton were we were everywhere on Sat first to everthing, we wanted it, that was our last game, only as good as your last game.

Not playing Olsson at left back and pushing him to left mid is a good move, as proven.

J Jones looks an excellent loanie.

Having Salgado come out and say he see's a bright future is good because he's a bigger winner then anyone we have probably every had here. when roberts back him its meaningless.

I think he was right to sign RSC on loan, I can;t say I wouldn't have its only a loan no long term commitment. win some lose some.

The midfield and defence are looking a bit more solid, its a shame we have tosh upfront, that needs to be addressed.

He plays Andrews less then Sam did.

Negative:

I still don't like the fact he got the job without experience.

He talks some right bull, its frustrating but Venkys, Nicko and the players seem to be eating it up.

He should have really got a better striker, but then I was fooled into think RSC would do well.

Not sure the point of Formica, will have to wait on that one, was hoping for an impact.

His record is bad, but I still partly blame a lack of investment over many years for that.

He does not that the presence of a top manager, this might change. At least he is not as bad as Harford and Kidd.

Making some clear rookie mistakes.

The lack of investment which has continued for many years show how well Hughes and BFS did.

[BangkokRover]

I would just like to say i am not anti Kean as i have never met him but no matter who was our manager its unacceptable to go 11 games with out a win.

[davulsukur]

Getting Nervous about this game now. A win would near enough ensure that we are a top flight team again next season, a loss and we are right back in it. History does not favour us in the slightest, and teams have a habit of turning bad form around against us. I'm expecting West Ham to go for it, a hostile crowd and players who are fired up for this.

Its not gonna be easy. Desperate for that win, but so are West Ham

[Amo]

Everything Kean has done is not wrong but no matter what anyone says if we go down it will be kean's fault and no one else's. Of course if we stay up he will be presented as a wonderful manager by certain people on this board. Which at the end of the day he is not.

Not true. The buck stops with the owners for appointing him.

Anyway, just because his record is poor doesn't mean he shouldn't be given credit where it's due, e.g. signing Jones, keeping the players onside. Yet somehow THAT makes you biased. Go figure!

[LeChuck]

e.g. signing Jones, keeping the players onside.

We have no idea that it as Kean's decision to sign Jones.

I'll definitely give him credit for keeping the players together. There are individual performances he can take credit for too - Liverpool, Arsenal, Bolton.

On the whole he has been a disastrous appointment though. I don't see the point in giving him praise, it can only serve to increase the risk that he stays beyond this season.

[BangkokRover]

Not true. The buck stops with the owners for appointing him.

Anyway, just because his record is poor doesn't mean he shouldn't be given credit where it's due, e.g. signing Jones, keeping the players onside. Yet somehow THAT makes you biased. Go figure!

Hang on of course the players are on side more money and removal of religation clauses.

As for signing Jones i was not aware we had agreed a price for him. So i expect he will be off somewhere else.

[Amo]

We have no idea that it as Kean's decision to sign Jones.

He's the manager, he has the final say. Unless anyone can prove otherwise.

On the whole he has been a disastrous appointment though. I don't see the point in giving him praise, it can only serve to increase the risk that he stays beyond this season.

I didn't know I had such sway over Venky's!

Hang on of course the players are on side more money and removal of religation clauses.

As for signing Jones i was not aware we had agreed a price for him. So i expect he will be off somewhere else.

That doesn't make any sense. If the players are guaranteed the same money regardless of relegation, why back the manager on the pitch as well? They're clearly pulling together to get us out of this mess. Something we didn't see much of in 98/99.

[LeChuck]

He's the manager, he has the final say. Unless anyone can prove otherwise.

Given Kentaro's obvious influence, it's equally up to you to prove he signed him.

Like I said, we don't know.

[BangkokRover]

He's the manager, he has the final say. Unless anyone can prove otherwise.

I didn't know I had such sway over Venky's!

That doesn't make any sense. If the players are guaranteed the same money regardless of relegation, why back the manager on the pitch as well? They're clearly pulling together to get us out of this mess. Something we didn't see much of in 98/99.

Why would you criticize someone who gave you money with no risk?

[Amo]

Given Kentaro's obvious influence, it's equally up to you to prove he signed him.

Like I said, we don't know.

Well, there's a difference between Kentaro recommending a player to Kean, and them going over his head to sign them.

You think Hughes knew who Chris Samba was before the scouts spotted him?

It's all splitting hairs, really.

Why would you criticize someone who gave you money with no risk?

Again, win-win situation for the players either way, so if they have no respect for Kean, why would they support him on and off the pitch? The players want to play for him. That still doesn't mean he's good enough to manage us, but it proves he hasn't lost the dressing room.

[BangkokRover]

Well, there's a difference between Kentaro recommending a player to Kean, and them going over his head to sign them.

You think Hughes knew who Chris Samba was before the scouts spotted him?

It's all splitting hairs, really.

Again, win-win situation for the players either way, so if they have no respect for Kean, why would they support him on and off the pitch? The players want to play for him. That still doesn't mean he's good enough to manage us, but it proves he hasn't lost the dressing room.

I never said he has lost the dressing room. Anyway time fora few Friday beers. :-P

[LeChuck]

Well, there's a difference between Kentaro recommending a player to Kean, and them going over his head to sign them.

You think Hughes knew who Chris Samba was before the scouts spotted him?

It's all splitting hairs, really.

I honestly think it's completely different, I'm not just being pedantic.

Hughes would get recommended a lot of players from scouts that he would be in charge of. Managers everywhere get recommendations from scouts. Our situation is slightly different.

We have no idea how much input Kean had into the Jones deal. My honest belief is that someone in the club would have said "we've lined up a deal for Jermaine Jones, you want him?" and Kean responded positively. It's not uncommon, Daniel Levy bought Van Der Vaart for Spurs in this way.

I don't know that though, but equally we don't know any different.

[Mattyblue]

Indeed, Levy also rang 'Arry and asked if he wanted Charlie Adam.

[Amo]

I honestly think it's completely different, I'm not just being pedantic.

Hughes would get recommended a lot of players from scouts that he would be in charge of. Managers everywhere get recommendations from scouts. Our situation is slightly different.

We have no idea how much input Kean had into the Jones deal. My honest belief is that someone in the club would have said "we've lined up a deal for Jermaine Jones, you want him?" and Kean responded positively. It's not uncommon, Daniel Levy bought Van Der Vaart for Spurs in this way.

I don't know that though, but equally we don't know any different.

But hang on a sec, how come we're only debating this about Jones? Who just happens to be our star signing? It just seems like another attempt to discredit the manager whenever possible.

Either way, Kean has managed to the best out of Jones after a rocky start.