[Archived] Steve Kean

[BuckyRover]

That is complete rubbish, try putting your dislike of him to the side for a moment.

He knows how to run and develop/improve a football club.

Try putting your fawning adulation to one side.

[John]

Try putting your fawning adulation to one side.

Not at all, most of senior players told me, in some detail, that was the case in their opinion.

Bucky - can I just say, I am basing my views on facts - no wonder you spent so long off this messageboard. No only do you talk tripe but you seem a very strange individual.

[RevidgeBlue]

That is complete rubbish, try putting your dislike of him to the side for a moment.

He knows how to run and develop/improve a football club.

It's not rubbish at all. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, I like Sam the man very much.

I detest his style of football and didn't enjoy going to matches at Ewood when he was in charge and stopped going to away matches altogether. If people enjoyed watching that brand of football that's entirely their prerogative.

At the same time anyone with half a brain would also accept that it is far better to be bored to death watching one of Sam's teams and being safe than being in danger of relegation like we are now.

[den]

Come on Den, if we're playing by those rules Allardyce never signed Salgado et al, it was all down to Williams

I wasn't talking about Salgado and John Williams Gav, but seeing that you mention it, that was very different. Allardyce knew who Salgado was and wanted him at Ewood. How does that fit in with Kean, who probably didn't know anything about three of the loan players. The only player that he would know about was RSC and he wants him on a permanent contract, even though he's probably never going to be fit enough and hasn't scored one single goal. So how much credit should Kean get for the transfer window signings?

Errr........ that's exactly how it seems to have panned out isn't it?

You'll have to explain that to me Rev.

[Billy Castell]

Should Kean go? Oh yes. Will he be manager next season, with Agent Anderson in the shadows? Very likely.

[John]

Look who picked the players when Jerome Anderson was involved at Man City - speak to anyone involved at the time and they will let you know who was calling the shots then (reality check, again, needed for some....)

[RevidgeBlue]

It's also not hard to understand Rev that any other manager would: -

1. Not have been given the job with the managerial experience that Steve Kean possesses

2. Never in a million years have been given a 2.5 year contract (after 4 or 5 games? some we lost?)

3. Have probably have been sacked by now

4. Have the Owners / Board hanging on every word of his Agent

That's the reality.

No Bob, that's your interpretation of the situation.

He was at the Club when Allardyce and McDonald left and knew the players. It's not at all difficult to understand how he got the job initially. If he was a client of Kentaro or SEM or whoever and was previously a number 3 at another Club and was brought in as our manager I'd be more inclined to agree. I agree that personally I would have brought a more experienced manager in after a caretaker stint from Kean (maybe that's still the plan?)and that he shouldn't have been given a longer contract until he'd fully proven himself.

There's no evidence whatsoever that the Rao's "hang on every word" Anderson says's, in fact doesn't it look quite to the contrary like Anderson has been fired off completely?

[John]

Rev, ha, you are so out of touch it beggars belief - are you living in the land of the Venky's!?

Have to say over the past 18 months or so you seem to be way off the pace with every statement you make - maybe time to do a Bucky?

[BuckyRover]

Rev, ha, you are so out of touch it beggars belief - are you living in the land of the Venky's!?

Have to say over the past 18 months or so you seem to be way off the pace with ever statement you make - maybe time to do a Bucky?

Maybe you should Rev.

Why would opinions be needed on a message board?

[RevidgeBlue]

You'll have to explain that to me Rev.

Don't have to Den, you summed it up succinctly in your post.

To paraphrase under Sam, Hoillet did not fit into his system or style of play, was a bit part player at best and failed to impress. Kean comes in and hands the lad a few starts and gives him the freedom to express himself and he suddenly looks a different player.

Kean doesn't deserve credit for much since he took over but that is certainly one thing for me in exactly the same way as Sam deserves credit for spotting Phil Jones qualities and throwing him in.

Rev, ha, you are so out of touch it beggars belief - are you living in the land of the Venky's!?

Have to say over the past 18 months or so you seem to be way off the pace with every statement you make - maybe time to do a Bucky?

At least I haven't lost the argument, can't think of anything sensible to say so resort to insults and invite the person I disagree with to leave the m/b.

Look who picked the players when Jerome Anderson was involved at Man City - speak to anyone involved at the time and they will let you know who was calling the shots then (reality check, again, needed for some....)

Don't want to cloud a good old session of namecalling and bitching about JA with any facts but didn't City do quite well during the period of his involvement?

It's an honest and genuine question, that's my impression but I couldn't say for sure.

[bob fleming]

No Bob, that's your interpretation of the situation.

He was at the Club when Allardyce and McDonald left and knew the players. It's not at all difficult to understand how he got the job initially. If he was a client of Kentaro or SEM or whoever and was previously a number 3 at another Club and was brought in as our manager I'd be more inclined to agree. I agree that personally I would have brought a more experienced manager in after a caretaker stint from Kean (maybe that's still the plan?)and that he shouldn't have been given a longer contract until he'd fully proven himself.

There's no evidence whatsoever that the Rao's "hang on every word" Anderson says's, in fact doesn't it look quite to the contrary like Anderson has been fired off completely?

Para 1 - Of course it's my interpretation, who's did you expect?

P2 - Why did they give him a long term contract? Was there any need? Who was going to whisk him away? Who advised them otherwise?

You're right there is no evidence, no quotes, nothing in writing, no links. How else do you explain the decision making that has taken place? The assistant manager appointment for instance?

P3 - Anderson has been fired off? Hopefully, a very expensive mistake to say the least. Still it's all their money isn't it? No chance of BRFC getting into massive debt is there

Oh and Rev - I don't think John made an insult, more an observation. That's my opinion and that's what it's all about after all.

Finally, JA took millions out of MCFC one summer - according to The Guardian. Still we don't need to worry about signing his son or anything, Venky's will pick up the tab.

[47er]

I don't know why people are being so critical of Kean's signings.

Who, exactly, has done much better on the same budget this January? A lot of us wanted to snap up Bentley, but he's hardly set the world alight - under an experienced, no-nonsense manager, no less.

Sam's record in the market at Rovers was hardly much better.

Success -

Salgado

Givet

Nzonzi

E. Diouf

Flops -

Kalinic

Di Santo

Goulon

Basturk

Chimbonda

Jacobsen

Van Heerden

* Amine Linganzi

Benjani

Mame Diouf

But Sam had NO TRANSFER BUDGET___again!

[RevidgeBlue]

Oh and Rev - I don't think John made an insult, more an observation. That's my opinion and that's what it's all about after all.

Finally, JA took millions out of MCFC one summer - according to The Guardian. Still we don't need to worry about signing his son or anything, Venky's will pick up the tab.

I see. So if someone says - "You've lost the plot and are talking bollux." That's an opinion not an insult.

I must try that one down the boozer next week!

You've also completely lost me with that article - I thought it referred to Citeh sitting top of the table and credited Anderson's input?

Where does it say he's made millions out of Citeh? Any agents charge fees if players are brought in, they certainly don't do it for nowt. That article was suggesting Citeh had done rather well with the players brought in.

If you were to say agents in general are a scourge I'd agree entirely.

[47er]

That's primarily because not everything in the garden was rosy under Sam despite attempts by some to put a rose coloured tint on his tenure following his departure and some (but not all) of the criticism levelled against Kean is completely unfair and without any foundation.

Kean deserves criticism where it's due but hopefully in the mind of more fair minded observers deserves a fair crack of the whip as well.

It's not at all difficult to understand really.

Too many strawmen in your posts Rev. Nobody ever said everything in the garden was rosy under Sam. For at start none of us are that twee.

At the same time anyone with half a brain would also accept that it is far better to be bored to death watching one of Sam's teams and being safe than being in danger of relegation like we are now.

On that basis quite a few posters do not have half a brain.

[RevidgeBlue]

On that basis quite a few posters do not have half a brain.

Not quite, that assumes that there are only 2 alternatives.

Hoofball or relegation.

With nothing whatsoever inbetween which is patently not the case.

(Not wishing to turn it in to a debate about whether Sam's style can be classed as hoofball or not, what I mean is that a lot of people can't abide his style of play)

If Sam is replaced by the wrong man, that's a separate issue

[47er]

Not quite, that assumes that there are only 2 alternatives.

Hoofball or relegation.

With nothing whatsoever inbetween which is patently not the case.

(Not wishing to turn it in to a debate about whether Sam's style can be classed as hoofball or not, what I mean is that a lot of people can't abide his style of play)

If Sam is replaced by the wrong man, that's a separate issue

No REv-its quite simple. There are some on here who are happy to take the real risk of relegation rather than to have seen Sam continue as manager. Clueless.

[roverandout]

and the football under baldylocks is so much better...NOT!!

[PAFELL]

No REv-its quite simple. There are some on here who are happy to take the real risk of relegation rather than to have seen Sam continue as manager. Clueless.

Does it really matter now. Sam, like it or not has been sacked. He is NOT coming back.

3 matches left, get behind the team. Nothing else at this moment in time matters.

[bob fleming]

I see. So if someone says - "You've lost the plot and are talking bollux." That's an opinion not an insult.

I must try that one down the boozer next week!

You've also completely lost me with that article - I thought it referred to Citeh sitting top of the table and credited Anderson's input?

Where does it say he's made millions out of Citeh? Any agents charge fees if players are brought in, they certainly don't do it for nowt. That article was suggesting Citeh had done rather well with the players brought in.

If you were to say agents in general are a scourge I'd agree entirely.

It's in how you deliver the line Rev, sure it doesn't read too well but I'm sure if you said it with a smile on your face down the pub to a big angry bloke you'll be fine.

Then again you may have a point there Just replace "bollux" with "out of your hat good sir"

As for the article. Yes, good spot. It does refer to City being top. The two players mentioned in that first article: Roland Bianchi was signed for £8.8m and then released (on a free it would appear) just over a year later. Bojinov apparently cost £5.75m and is now on Parma - again I don't think they got a fee for him

How's about these...

£7m to J.A. in a month

"Thursday August 23,2007 -

“Thaksin is absolutely delighted with all the players brought in. Given the time frame involved it is a minor miracle what has been achieved in bringing in so many quality players. Anderson has worked non-stop at the club’s training ground.”

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

30 November 2007 - Thaksin cutting his agent dependency

History repeating itself or what? Not that anyone would have done any research on the internet or anything, do they have Wikipedia in India?

Oh and Rev, for all their spending City finished 9th that season, two places below paupers Blackburn Rovers.

[vintageadidas]

Anybody think Kean has achieved any positive factors since taking over as manager of our club?

Personally, the following stand out for me:

The form of Hoillet and Ollson.

The "signing" of J.Jones.

The fact he signed a playmaker (something we have been crying out for since Hughes) even if we haven't seen him play.

His policy on signing youth.

He has realised Kalinic is on work experience.

That is all.

[OJRovers]

Anybody think Kean has achieved any positive factors since taking over as manager of our club?

Personally, the following stand out for me:

The form of Hoillet and Ollson.

The "signing" of J.Jones.

The fact he signed a playmaker (something we have been crying out for since Hughes) even if we haven't seen him play.

His policy on signing youth.

He has realised Kalinic is on work experience.

That is all.

Yes you are right, they have been the positives, the problem is that there have been far more negatives most importantly being that we have had the worst form in 30 years and have fallen into the relegation fight.

Also Ollson has been played at LB for most of the time under Kean which has held back his development. And letting EHD go on loan meant we have no cover for when Junior is injured.

[47er]

Does it really matter now. Sam, like it or not has been sacked. He is NOT coming back.

3 matches left, get behind the team. Nothing else at this moment in time matters.

Its not the first time you've offered this advice so here's some to you-------there is little if any connection between discussion on here and getting behind the team.

The current reincarnation of this thread came about because of an interview Allardyce gave a few days ago in which he revealed he had wanted to leave last summer.

It is perfectly natural that fans of all opinions would want to discuss this and its what the Message Board is for. I wasn't the first by any means to comment but you'd be better off next time posting that advice to someone who'll take any notice.

[Ricky]

Bob, soccerbase uses 'signed' if a player goes for an undisclosed fee.

Rumour around the time was that bianchi went for about £4m and Bohjinov about £3m. So although not freebies they still lost quite a bit. Not as much as we lost on Davies, grabbi, and possibly ferguson in the Walker era.

All clubs make some bad signings. To be fair Anderson did take elano and petrov to eastlands. Think there were other good ones as well including corluka if I'm not mistaken.

[vintageadidas]

Yes you are right, they have been the positives, the problem is that there have been far more negatives most importantly being that we have had the worst form in 30 years and have fallen into the relegation fight.

Also Ollson has been played at LB for most of the time under Kean which has held back his development. And letting EHD go on loan meant we have no cover for when Junior is injured.

I agree, more negatives than positives but he has done some good. With regards to Ollson, that has on been the case because Givet has been out for various reasons. Kean would 110% play him on the wing.

We have cover for EHD, but i wouldn't have let him go full stop.

[imy9]

Bob- I have said previously that if you look at the players brought to City under Anderson bar two players the rest are playing in a top European league at a big club- they were quality players, are quality players. Do I want them or Benjani and Roberts? Agents have been taking huge fees for years.

Revidge- IMO one of the most balanced posters on here, nice to see people giving their opinions on a MB rather than following a herd of sheep.