[Archived] Steve Kean

[thenodrog]

Can we also add to that - 'Found Pedersen out' also please

Funny how we usually look stronger after he comes on. Also we've definitely missed his dead ball service.

One good thing he did find Andrews out but only after his faith in him turned around and smacked him on the nose a few times.

[greco]

We had Samba and Nelsen at centre half, plus when we signed Givet Jones was emerging too, why spend 4 million on a player whose natural position is centre half? Givet is a solid pro but I would have preferred Sam plugged the gapin holes in midfield.

I am confused Greco- I know my daddy and Sam and Kean are not- wrong colour I'm afraid. But yeah Sam is the better manager.

has givet done fine at left back.?

did we end up surviving, form what seemed like a mission impossible.?

and would you consider that a success..?

[John]

First priority was to stay up imy when Sam joined - he got us organised and hard to beat, job done.

[thenodrog]

How people can make judgements on Formica & Rochina at this stage is ridiculous.

Yes.... cos we haven't bloody well seen them play much have we? Glad you brought that up cos those two are just what we didn't need in a relegation battle Topman. Nobodies seen hide nor hair of Formica and the little that I have seen of Rochina suggests that he has some ability but the weakness of the rest of his game cost us 2 goals and at least one and possibly 2 points. Be looking much better with those on the board right now wouldn't we?

If we go down I doubt we'll ever see either of them again.

[greco]

you havent had a problem praising kean for the transfer window, BUT how can you do that, when you now say, that evaluationg rochina and formica is way too early.

no wonder you have to put up a weird gif, i would too, if my opinions were a) so stupid and fluctuated so much

[Amo]

Yes.... cos we haven't bloody well seen them play much have we? Glad you brought that up cos those two are just what we didn't need in a relegation battle Topman. Nobodies seen hide nor hair of Formica and the little that I have seen of Rochina suggests that he has some ability but the weakness of the rest of his game cost us 2 goals and at least one and possibly 2 points. Be looking much better with those on the board right now wouldn't we?

If we go down I doubt we'll ever see either of them again.

I don't remember being in a relegation battle when we signed them.

you havent had a problem praising kean for the transfer window, BUT how can you do that, when you now say, that evaluationg rochina and formica is way too early.

I said that 'all things considered', it wasn't a bad window. We've got two young prospects and Jones has done very well.

no wonder you have to put up a weird gif, i would too, if my opinions were a) so stupid and fluctuated so much

You just lost the game.

[thenodrog]

We had Samba and Nelsen at centre half, plus when we signed Givet Jones was emerging too, why spend 4 million on a player whose natural position is centre half? Givet is a solid pro but I would have preferred Sam plugged the gapin holes in midfield.

A Prem team needs 4 CH's in the squad and Jones and Hanley were miles off emerging. SA's buying method with limited squad numbers was to buy players who could play a number of positions should the need arise rather than 2 or 3 for every position. Hence his preference for the likes of MGP, Phil Jones, EHD, Givet, Olsson etc.

[thenodrog]

I don't remember being in a relegation battle when we signed them.

Too gormless to see the wood for the trees. I (along with many top football experts.. see my sig) commented that we were in a relegation scrap after Keans first match in charge. Ironically the inept performance v WHU. Just think if Joan had had her period a week later Allardyce would have won the match and we'd be on 40 points and safe.

And if you chose not to take note of me this had been started long before they turned up. Check the date.

1.1.2011

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/23974-the-relegation-battle-ahead/page__view__findpost__p__998980

'There are none so blind as those that cannot see'.

[Amo]

Too gormless to see the wood for the trees. I (along with many top football experts.. see my sig) commented that we were in a relegation scrap after Keans first match in charge. Ironically the inept performance v WHU. Just think if Joan had had her period a week later Allardyce would have won the match and we'd be on 40 points and safe.

Come back when you start speaking a modicum of sense.

Do you think Kean envisioned we'd be in a relegation scrap? He took over a mid-table side and wanted to build on that by signing both short-term and long-term players. I doubt he took the reins and thought 'Oh ###### we're goin down! I better sign Big Dunc and The Axe!'

[greco]

topman

You just lost the game.

does this mean i should insert a gif .?

[bob fleming]

Bob, soccerbase uses 'signed' if a player goes for an undisclosed fee.

Rumour around the time was that bianchi went for about £4m and Bohjinov about £3m. So although not freebies they still lost quite a bit. Not as much as we lost on Davies, grabbi, and possibly ferguson in the Walker era.

All clubs make some bad signings. To be fair Anderson did take elano and petrov to eastlands. Think there were other good ones as well including corluka if I'm not mistaken.

Bob- I have said previously that if you look at the players brought to City under Anderson bar two players the rest are playing in a top European league at a big club- they were quality players, are quality players. Do I want them or Benjani and Roberts? Agents have been taking huge fees for years.

Fair enough chaps. Good points Ricky on those, especially Grabbi, now there was a dodgy signing.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Too gormless to see the wood for the trees. I (along with many top football experts.. see my sig) commented that we were in a relegation scrap after Keans first match in charge. Ironically the inept performance v WHU. Just think if Joan had had her period a week later Allardyce would have won the match and we'd be on 40 points and safe.

And if you chose not to take note of me this had been started long before they turned up. Check the date.

1.1.2011

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/23974-the-relegation-battle-ahead/page__view__findpost__p__998980

'There are none so blind as those that cannot see'.

All you currs bow down before the great football sage! He alone can predicteth the failure or faltering of a fledgling manager!

Hail to the wise one! Nostradamus haveth nowt on him!

[thenodrog]

Come back when you start speaking a modicum of sense.

Do you think Kean envisioned we'd be in a relegation scrap? He took over a mid-table side and wanted to build on that by signing both short-term and long-term players. I doubt he took the reins and thought 'Oh ###### we're goin down! I better sign Big Dunc and The Axe!'

More fool him then. He overestimated his own ability massively. No doubt nicko was guilty by bulling him up for his 30 pieces of silver.

Anyway why do you say I'm not speaking sense? Basically Jim and I were right and Kean was way way wrong. Any other interpretation is impossible.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Sold Santa Cruz who had scored 5 goals in the previous season and signed a striker who cannot play up front by himself for £6 million.

Bought Jacobsen- RB, then decided he wanted Salgado (~£40K a week) but wages needed to come down so sold Warnock to plug the hole and bought a THIRD right back to play at LEFT back :wacko: Warnock was never sold to be replaced by Givet. Givet was bought as a centre half who he then played at left back... phew.

How long did that take you create?

Sam wasted the little money that we had on mediocre players.

47er- If I was quoting someone then I would read have the post first unlike some around here

If as you say SA wasted the little money we had on mediocre players, yet still achieved a top ten position, surely highlights what an extremely accomplished manager SA is / was. Imagine if he could buy well! We may have been playing Schalke in the CL semis this week!

Keano has spent very wisely and with very good effect, cleverly using the additional 5 million available to turn an existing top ten squad into immediate relegation fodder. I hope we reach safety today, so Kean can cleverly use next season's budgets to guarantee taking us down.

I know which I prefer.

Come back when you start speaking a modicum of sense.

Do you think Kean envisioned we'd be in a relegation scrap? He took over a mid-table side and wanted to build on that by signing both short-term and long-term players. I doubt he took the reins and thought 'Oh ###### we're goin down! I better sign Big Dunc and The Axe!'

Many fans stated we would be in a relegation scrap the minute SA was sacked and Kean took over the manager's role. Too many to mention, including me, although I was not posting on here at that time so cannot prove that.

The point being that should Joe Bloggs average Rovers fans be predicting trouble ahead and to be fair it has panned out exactly as many predicted, why was Kean with his wealth of football knowledge unable to also consider that eventuality and be planned, prepared and ready for it?

[imy9]

If as you say SA wasted the little money we had on mediocre players, yet still achieved a top ten position, surely highlights what an extremely accomplished manager SA is / was. Imagine if he could buy well! We may have been playing Schalke in the CL semis this week!

Keano has spent very wisely and with very good effect, cleverly using the additional 5 million available to turn an existing top ten squad into immediate relegation fodder. I hope we reach safety today, so Kean can cleverly use next season's budgets to guarantee taking us down.

I know which I prefer.

Many fans stated we would be in a relegation scrap the minute SA was sacked and Kean took over the manager's role. Too many to mention, including me, although I was not posting on here at that time so cannot prove that.

The point being that should Joe Bloggs average Rovers fans be predicting trouble ahead and to be fair it has panned out exactly as many predicted, why was Kean with his wealth of football knowledge unable to also consider that eventuality and be planned, prepared and ready for it?

So are you saying Kean has had a say in signings or not? Secondly it is far too early to judge Keans signings though Jones has been great and Rochina looks very exciting, surely the time to judge would be this time next year or does this only apply to managers other than Kean?

Benitez is a top manager but generally his signings are poor, means he has other qualities, Sam has a lot of qualities but signing players IMO has not been one of his strengths.

[47er]

Sam has a lot of qualities but signing players IMO has not been one of his strengths.

But it might have been had he had a decent transfer budget. Instead he was forced to scrap around in the bargain bin and take a punt on Kalinic which, I agree, hasn't come off.Even so in that transfer window he was after Crouch and Bent and we were totally priced out.

[imy9]

Crouch is a 10 million plus player, Bent at least that at the time, half the league has to deal with players in the single figures or pluck gems from somewhere. You and I and most fans know that if sign Bent for 24 million he will score a lot of goals for us, the managerial expertise comes in from buying unknown gems and Kalinic has been a disaster thus far- the bit I don't understand is that Sam plays one up front so surely there were players for 6 million out there who could play that role-Kalinic clearly can't, Givet for 4 million could have been used elsewhere too. A lot of money to spend, more than Hughes and Ince too.

[chris]

I like Givet I think he is an decent left back and centre half, I don't know why you use him as an example of Sam's bad spending still, if we didn't have him Olsson would have to play there and he's not a left back.

3.5 million well spent I think likely with the Warnock money 7 million.

Wasn't Givet Player of the Season as well so I'm not the only one that rates him.

Few dodgy moments this year, but all in all, good buy.

[Mattyblue]

Crouch is a 10 million plus player, Bent at least that at the time, half the league has to deal with players in the single figures or pluck gems from somewhere. You and I and most fans know that if sign Bent for 24 million he will score a lot of goals for us, the managerial expertise comes in from buying unknown gems and Kalinic has been a disaster thus far- the bit I don't understand is that Sam plays one up front so surely there were players for 6 million out there who could play that role-Kalinic clearly can't, Givet for 4 million could have been used elsewhere too. A lot of money to spend, more than Hughes and Ince too.

More than Ince? He only had one transfer window (thank feck) and spent £4million on Grella and also brought in Andrews and Fowler.

You really are scraping the bowel now.

edit barrel! scraping a bowel? That's what Ince's reign did to me

[imy9]

I like Givet I think he is an decent left back and centre half, I don't know why you use him as an example of Sam's bad spending still, if we didn't have him Olsson would have to play there and he's not a left back.

3.5 million well spent I think likely with the Warnock money 7 million.

Wasn't Givet Player of the Season as well so I'm not the only one that rates him.

Few dodgy moments this year, but all in all, good buy.

Givet was bought as a centre half at a time when we had Three, two were established one was up and coming- he played left back when there was no other choice, he'd sold Warnock and Chimbonda was rubbish there. As I said honest pro is Givet but 4 million is a lot of money for a utility player who is not great in any position, especially a 28 year old utility player- surely there was a greater need in centre midfield where he continued to play our Keef?

[DE.]

Givet was bought as a centre half at a time when we had Three, two were established one was up and coming- he played left back when there was no other choice, he'd sold Warnock and Chimbonda was rubbish there. As I said honest pro is Givet but 4 million is a lot of money for a utility player who is not great in any position, especially a 28 year old utility player- surely there was a greater need in centre midfield where he continued to play our Keef?

Givet has generally been good for us Imy, using him as an example of Sam being poor in the transfer market is off the mark. He adapted to the premier league very quickly and has been solid for most of his time here. He has his weaknesses, but for £3.5M you really can't grumble.

Kalinic on the other hand was certainly a very poor £6m spent and I do scratch my head in regards to that one.

[chris]

Givet was bought as a centre half at a time when we had Three, two were established one was up and coming- he played left back when there was no other choice, he'd sold Warnock and Chimbonda was rubbish there. As I said honest pro is Givet but 4 million is a lot of money for a utility player who is not great in any position, especially a 28 year old utility player- surely there was a greater need in centre midfield where he continued to play our Keef?

Maybe we remember it differently but when we signed Givet on Loan he was excellent every week and he played left back a position where we were weak. I was very thankful we had him on loan and thought 3.5 million was fair or a former French international who was 27- 28 years old reacting his peak years.

been stupid not to buy him IMO.

Next season he won players Player of the Season. Not bad for a utility player hey, and didn't stop him getting 13 French caps.

I would have loved it if when he got (edit) players player of the season 2010 award you were in the crowd and shouted "3.5 million, rip off" lol

[cruz]

Givet won player of the season???? I didn't know Givet was a 6"2' black frenchman in his early twenties

[onlyonejackwalker]

So are you saying Kean has had a say in signings or not? Secondly it is far too early to judge Keans signings though Jones has been great and Rochina looks very exciting, surely the time to judge would be this time next year or does this only apply to managers other than Kean?

Benitez is a top manager but generally his signings are poor, means he has other qualities, Sam has a lot of qualities but signing players IMO has not been one of his strengths.

Cool, we are all entitled to an opinion, but I have no idea what say Kean had with the signings, do you? Jones has settled nicely and contributed, agreed. Rochina looks exciting? Really? I have been attending matches but have hardly seen him play, unless you mean exciting in the way he has assisted the opposition with free possession to launch attacks and score goals.

I think I understand your opinion.

Poor manager, wastes money, poor signings and planning, finishes 10th.

Great manager, great signings, mid-table squad to work with, 5 million to spend on top, dices with relegation.

I think I have got it now.

[chris]

Givet won player of the season???? I didn't know Givet was a 6"2' black frenchman in his early twenties

'Player's Player of the Year' it might have been