[Archived] Steve Kean

[thenodrog]

Not having a dig Den, but I wonder if you and a few others on here who believe the current squad aint capable of playing passing football would actually pop down to the dressing room and let the lads know your opinion of them?

Put my name down! I'd bloody love to conduct the post match video analysis with them!

As for passing football there is stupid saying in football 'let the ball do the work'. Take it from me that to play passing football requires much more graft, concentration, fitness and movement than basic 'hoofball tactics. Barca, Arsenal and MU are the best because of the graft they get through. Every player is looking to get the ball. Compare that with a poor team where too many people don't seem to want it.

We wouldn't have scored MU's 1st goal v Arsenal simply because we'd have had nobody following the header in.

[thenodrog]

ESPN on Kean - Kean struggling to match ambition

Norman Hubbard is absolutely bang on in that article. He know a thing or two about football and has certainly done his homework.

Anybody with even an ounce of knowledge of the game thought sacking Allardyce was stupid and ill advised.

[Iceman]

Money is money, you either have it or you don't Rebel. So many teams with so much money, who are down in the lower leagues. We have not over achieved, but more than held our own under difficult and trying conditions.

We just cannot continue to have this small team menatlity, because its like our own fans are questioning whether we should be in the PL. Its fine if the media believe this, but its not okay if our own fans believe this.

If we were 1 or 2 seasons in the PL, then okay. But how do you over achieve for 15 odd years? Its some achievement, and all credit to John Willims and the rest for doing a fantastic job. It does show, that current management has virtually ripped us to bits, when you consider what the previous regime has achieved.

We kept on blaming the Walkers for this and that, but if you think about it, it was a safe enough partnership between them and BRFC.

[chaddyrovers]

Most rovers fans will support the team to the end.

I was a big fan Big Sam. we got results and never lost 3 games in a row.

When Hughes went. Big Sam was one of the three managers I wanted to take over. I won't say who the other 2 were.

I am not a big fan of Kean one bit. And if I was the owner he would be the first one sacked! JMO!

But I will be there on Saturday support my team! I will support the players but NOT the manager!

I have been to most of Kean's games and not been impressed! Villa away in cup and league were awful. Newcastle at home and Stoke at home was the worst home game I've seen in ages!

Just have to get to the end of the season and will hopefully stay up and then we need to have a full review of the playing staff and coaching staff and get rid the ones we don't need or wanted! Also the owners need to appointed a Chairman ASAP!

[Iceman]

Load of crap Chaddy. Its okay to have issues with the manager, you might not like him or what he has done, BUT he is still part of the TEAM. Give him the support as well!

[rebelmswar]

Money is money, you either have it or you don't Rebel. So many teams with so much money, who are down in the lower leagues. We have not over achieved, but more than held our own under difficult and trying conditions.

We just cannot continue to have this small team menatlity, because its like our own fans are questioning whether we should be in the PL. Its fine if the media believe this, but its not okay if our own fans believe this.

If we were 1 or 2 seasons in the PL, then okay. But how do you over achieve for 15 odd years? Its some achievement, and all credit to John Willims and the rest for doing a fantastic job. It does show, that current management has virtually ripped us to bits, when you consider what the previous regime has achieved.

We kept on blaming the Walkers for this and that, but if you think about it, it was a safe enough partnership between them and BRFC.

Ok.

We would never have been able to do what we did in the Premier League era if we had not the financial clout in the first place. I mean look at where we were when Jack bought us, people thought he was insane.

Now here we are sold and with the back of a sucessful administration and managment team broken. Lead by a manager with less experiance than Ince and a chairman.... oh we don't have one.

What are most fans laying hope on to change our season against Blackpool? Two new players signed for, wait for it, money. Money that did not come from fans, but from investors.

Now I will never fault the players for giving it their all, but our teams from the 80's had more passion for our team in one pube hair than this shower.

Load of crap Chaddy. Its okay to have issues with the manager, you might not like him or what he has done, BUT he is still part of the TEAM. Give him the support as well!

You can differentiate the two.

I'm with chaddy on this one. How can you support someone you have no faith in?

Might ad well ask Jim to support the leader of the Conservative Party.

[Iceman]

You might not have faith in Kean, but why at a crucial time in a crucial game, would you not want to throw your weight behind the entire team? I just feel, its not right. Kean is useless, but come Saturday he is one of us, so lend him your support. The team is just as much to blame as Kean, but yet the likes of Gamst, Roque, Roberts, Samba etc, who are under performing, will get your full support. It really is disappointing!

[rebelmswar]

You might not have faith in Kean, but why at a crucial time in a crucial game, would you not want to throw your weight behind the entire team? I just feel, its not right. Kean is useless, but come Saturday he is one of us, so lend him your support. The team is just as much to blame as Kean, but yet the likes of Gamst, Roque, Roberts, Samba etc, who are under performing, will get your full support. It really is disappointing!

He wont know I have zero faith in him, I wont be streaking at half time with "Sack Kean" painted on my ass cheeks or anything.

I will cheer the team as I always have. Just don't try and make me have faith in someone I have none in. Nor push him down anyones throat who has an oposite opinion.

[Parsonblue]

Hold on a minute. Whatever ANY fan did or didn't want, it wasn't THEIR decision. No-one was to forsee what was going to happen, with Sam being unexpectedly sacked, and then being replaced by a (seemingly) unsuitable candidate. As the time, most of us assumed that an experienced manager would be brought in.

Why do we have to keep bleating on about it? Nothing is going to change. The fact is, the owners were ill-advised and/or thought they knew the way forward when that was obviously (with hindsight) not the case.

Now we're getting long-term fans saying they are missing matches because 'Sam was sacked/Sam should still be in charge' but we CAN'T turn back the clock.

Kean is the Manager. We need to get behind Steve and the lads and SUPPORT OUR CLUB.

The silence from Venky's is deafening. We have no Chairman. We (generally) have no idea what is going on behind closed doors.

The only place at the moment we CAN make a difference is pitchside at the remaining matches of the season. LET'S DO IT!

Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the club, I could never support this present manager. I disliked the way he got himself the job. I have been far from impressed with the way in which John Williams was seemingly kept out of the loop by Desai and Kean. I will, as always, be at all the matches supporting the team, but personally, the day that Steve Kean leaves this club can't come soon enough for me.

[92er]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the club, I could never support this present manager. I disliked the way he got himself the job. I have been far from impressed with the way in which John Williams was seemingly kept out of the loop by Desai and Kean. I will, as always, be at all the matches supporting the team, but personally, the day that Steve Kean leaves this club can't come soon enough for me.

Welcome back Parsonblue.

[Ricky]

I've read back and can't see it commented on but the news of the world today issued a correction saying that mrs desai wasn't in London at all last weekend.

Anyone else spot it. Just thought it interesting as the whole debate about Kean getting the boot last week stemmed from that one article.

Shows how much power the press have. The apology is about 3 or 4 lines long and not the headline grabbing backpage of the original article.

[Mattyblue]

Such apologies usually appear when the paper is being threatened with or has lost a legal action.

It shows how strong the libel laws in this country are, if anything.

[trueblue]

Another week passes, and another week of deafening silence from the owners!

Having seen the scale of what they have taken on, have we become last months plaything left in the box?

No news of the new Chairperson - in fact no news of any sort.. even the papers are ignoring us!

Ah well, I suppose under this regime.. no news just happens to be good news

[otto man]

True blue. How many statements did our previous owners issue on a weekly basis? That's right..... none! Why would Venkys be any different?

[Kelbo]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the club, I could never support this present manager. I disliked the way he got himself the job. I have been far from impressed with the way in which John Williams was seemingly kept out of the loop by Desai and Kean. I will, as always, be at all the matches supporting the team, but personally, the day that Steve Kean leaves this club can't come soon enough for me.

My feelings entirely.

[roversmum]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the club, I could never support this present manager. I disliked the way he got himself the job. I have been far from impressed with the way in which John Williams was seemingly kept out of the loop by Desai and Kean. I will, as always, be at all the matches supporting the team, but personally, the day that Steve Kean leaves this club can't come soon enough for me.

I absolutely agree with you, PB. It's a horrendous situation for us fans. We know some are hiding their heads in the sand. I can't wait for SK to go either, but my head tells me it's not going to happen in a hurry. I hope to God I'm wrong. I hate with a passion what has happened/what is happening to our club. In the meantime, the boys on the pitch need our support more than they ever have.

I couldn't have put it better myself

[den]

He's gone. Move on.

For someone who's spent the whole season sniping from behind a keyboard during the games, that must come quite easily.

Trouble for me Topman, and I don't mind admitting it, is that the way I see it, - it could quite well be all over*. As long as I've been following the team there have always been people running the club who have genuine love of the club and real gumption when it comes to making the right moves at the right time. I can't see anything left that I recognise as being Blackburn Rovers. We have owners who would need a sat nav to find Ewood park and we have people running the football side of things who simply shouldn't be here. and you know what? I don't see how that's going to change. Maybe Venky's have gone too far already.

I'm no lover of Sam, but his sacking was just one of a dozen awful moves. But hey, let's just move on eh?

* I don't mean the club going out of business here. I mean the club not being the same as it always has. I mean the club not meaning the same to the people of Blackburn.

[John]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the club, I could never support this present manager. I disliked the way he got himself the job. I have been far from impressed with the way in which John Williams was seemingly kept out of the loop by Desai and Kean. I will, as always, be at all the matches supporting the team, but personally, the day that Steve Kean leaves this club can't come soon enough for me.

Ditto.

[thenodrog]

Another week passes, and another week of deafening silence from the owners!

Obviously their learning curve has steepened. The old saying 'you have two ears and one mouth so make sure that you use them in that order' must be sinking in.

[CAPT KAYOS]

roversmum

Kean is the Manager. We need to get behind Steve and the lads and SUPPORT OUR CLUB.

chaddyrovers

I will support the players but NOT the manager!

Iceman

Load of crap Chaddy. Its okay to have issues with the manager, you might not like him or what he has done, BUT he is still part of the TEAM. Give him the support as well!

With Chaddy and others also on this - as posted earlier this guy is an imposter and is a none entity until the end of the Season when things can be reviewed.

Back the team as that is what we have to - but make no reference good or bad to the imposter

Iceman

You might not have faith in Kean, but why at a crucial time in a crucial game, would you not want to throw your weight behind the entire team? I just feel, its not right. Kean is useless, but come Saturday he is one of us, so lend him your support. The team is just as much to blame as Kean, but yet the likes of Gamst, Roque, Roberts, Samba etc, who are under performing, will get your full support. It really is disappointing!

I think this is what people are referring to - just not the imposter.

Yes the team maybe are as much to blame - but there are obvious reasons why form may have been affected - and we know they are quite capable of turning things around.

Iceman

Just because we are a town team, with a smallish fan base, DOES NOT mean we are over achievers. We have had some very good players, a very smart chairman, and some brilliant managers. Unfortunately, all the above seem to be missing at the moment. This stupid mentality, of thinking we have over achieved should be dismissed as nonsense. We have competed, and we will continue to compete next season in the Premier League

Something, I have never understood and argued against for those who have said similar and the 'punching above our weight' comment on here

We deserve to be in the P/L because of what we have done - its all down to that other 'commodity' that I believe Rovers has in its 'Uniqueness'.

In the present scenario not sure I would agree that we will be here next season though.

[broadsword]

For someone who's spent the whole season sniping from behind a keyboard during the games, that must come quite easily.

Trouble for me Topman, and I don't mind admitting it, is that the way I see it, - it could quite well be all over. As long as I've been following the team there have always been people running the club who have genuine love of the club and real gumption when it comes to making the right moves at the right time. I can't see anything left that I recognise as being Blackburn Rovers. We have owners who would need a sat nav to find Ewood park and we have people running the football side of things who simply shouldn't be here. and you know what? I don't see how that's going to change. Maybe Venky's have gone too far already.

I'm no lover of Sam, but his sacking was just one of a dozen awful moves. But hey, let's just move on eh?

Yes, the point is not that Sam has gone, but the stability of the club has gone.

The problem is, when you don't know what you are doing and start to make a muck-up of things, you don't know how to put it right again. Do you change things again, and risk making things worse, or do you leave things as they are and hope for the best. Of course, it helps if you have someone to turn to for advice, someone who has been there before, who has integrity and who has the respect of their peers. Someone like John Williams. Of course if one of your moves was to get rid of anyone whose help would be valuable in troubled times, then you really are committing hari kari.

The whole thing stinks of a vanity project going badly wrong. If they had got involved for other reasons, and I'm thinking here of some sort of association with the club, then they would have been more respectful of the club and some research would have been done, some humility would have been adopted when it came to taking decisions.

As well as the lack of respect for my club, and the danger they have put it in through their own hubris and ignorance, I also find the lies that have come out to be particularly offensive. They must must think we are all complete idiots.

[den]

I also find the lies that have come out to be particularly offensive. They must must think we are all complete idiots.

Yep. All through our recent history, we have had people who have given it to us straight. We haven't always liked what we've been hearing, but it does give you confidence that the people in charge have their fingers on the pulse. If Venky's can't even be truthful, what chance they will do the right things?

[Silencio]

The Norman Hubbard article is the best and most comprehensive I have read since this farce started in December.

I think it's difficult to add anything new on this topic, especially when Den, theno, John, Philip and Parsonblue hit the nail on the head with every post.

The Desai's are a disgrace, and those who wanted Sam out look stupid, at best.

[Sysagent]

Be interesting to see if any of the Ewood Park massive sing the chant Steve Kean's Blue n White Army on Saturday...

I see this being pretty good litmus test for a general feel on what the non members of this particular messageboard have going through their heads in these troubling times.

Will they be backing the "manager" or will there be an obvious omission of any form of support from the Ewood faithful, be interesting to see for sure.

p.s. Oh and yes that article is bang on the mark.

[Gav]

those who wanted Sam out look stupid, at best.

Absolute tripe, as I keep saying Allardyce had to go, the only improvements he’d actually made to the side, the defence, had gone backwards this season and looked, and still do, like they’ve never played football before.

Don’t even get me started on Kalinic, his 6m pound striker that was played out of position week in week out and will never be good enough for the premiership.

The appointment of Kean was bizarre to say the least. His intentions are good, looking to play a passing more entertaining style, but the players don’t seem up to it unfortunately and like Allardyce he doesn’t have a plan B.

They should have brought a more experienced manager in to replace Allardyce, the reality of that could be about to hit them if we fail on Saturday.