[Archived] Steve Kean

[greco]

"There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics."

http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and_insights/burnley_take_scientific_approach_to_find_perfect_manager/

We should hire him... logical, sound reasoning too- reality is slightly different though is it not?

your desperation, is becoming more and more obvious.

serious question, how old are you imy.?

[greco]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

No, actually they didnt get it right, unless you enjoy seeing our club lose/struggle, much more then neccessary.

But who really cares about that pal?

[Mattyblue]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

You're not wrong, if we stay up, I'll enjoy a good sing song at Wolves and breathe a big sigh of relief.

Do the stats matter? Yes, because for the new season we need a manager that is not 'learning his trade' and ensure we do not get in to such an unneccessary pickle again.

If we do stay up, not sacking him with a month to go would be in hindsight a good move. However, the appointment in the first place? Justifiable? It was an absolute shocker from the owners, one that has risked their investment and this club's financial health and future success.

[Kelbo]

Whilst I may disagree with lots of comments, I can fully appreciate comments against Sam Allardyces style of football, what I fail to appreciate or understand, is any poster on here defending Kean, its astonishing that someone with his abysmal record can have support, he is a very lucky man to be in the job he is, shouldnt be there at all and I will never be convinced otherwise.

[Gav]

No, actually they didnt get it right, unless you enjoy seeing our club lose/struggle, much more then neccessary.

But who really cares about that pal?

But we're staying up, thats what you and Matty want isn't it?

[Mercer]

Nonsense. Prior to yesterday, Fulham had won 6 of the last 7 games at home. Over the full season there record would be nearly as good as Man United! You can't predict what the form is like from the last 7 games and presume it would be the same for the rest of the season. It doesn't take into account injuries or suspensions.

Last 7 games we have been very very unlucky with decisions, and it may lead to our downfall.

Fulham Away - Never a penalty (+1 point)

Blackpool Home - Never a penalty (+2 points)

B'ham Home - Bowyer goal offside (+2 points)

That's 5 points off our tally due to dodgy referee's. We COULD have been on 44 points which would see us near the top half. You can't blame Kean for that.

Fully understand the sentiment, however, all teams can look back and say the same, as Big Sam often did. Don't forget, those teams that look back in anger are no doubt looking at some decisions that went our way! So, all in all, over a season, most likely to broadly balance out.

[Mercer]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

Unfortunately, it goes deeper than that.

We will have 'lost' £millions in place money that could have gone into the transfer pot, we will be perceived as a struggling outfit which will impact on our ability to both attract better players and more supporters etc

It was a monumental mistake and, hopefully, we will escape by the skin of our teeth. If we do, there has to be no further mistake - Kean simply is not up to the task and has to go, IMO and the opinion of many others.

[Blue n White Rover]

Fully understand the sentiment, however, all teams can look back and say the same, as Big Sam often did. Don't forget, those teams that look back in anger are no doubt looking at some decisions that went our way! So, all in all, over a season, most likely to broadly balance out.

Actually, over the season I can only recollect one decision to have gone for us. That was at WBA at home when they should have had a penalty. Other than that, more often than not, we have been on the end of bad decisions.

Kean may not have been an excellent choice or the right choice, but he has had some bad luck with decisions. Something that could prove very costly to us.

[LeChuck]

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified

I can't believe I have just read that!

[Blue n White Rover]

I can't believe I have just read that!

He's absolutely correct.

If Allardyce was in charge, would we have got into Europe? No.

Would we have survived? Probably.

Would we have been better than our current position? Probably

Does it make a difference if we are 17th or 8th? Nope.

Maybe under the Walker Trust, league position was vital, but with Venky's in charge, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

If we were a team fighting for silverware, or european places, and Kean came and took us on the brink of relegation then yeah, disaster. We were playing for nothing with Allardyce. We wouldn't have got into Europe nor would we have won any silverware.

So why are you shocked to have read that?

Edit: It's next season that matter, if we do pump in more money, then we are expected to fight in the top half of the table, dependent on our summer activity. This season, league position doesn't matter so as long as we survive.

[LeChuck]

Does it make a difference if we are 17th or 8th? Nope.

About £6,750,000 difference last time I checked.

Plus all those less tangible things like pride and so on. I see you've easily dismissed those though.

[Blue n White Rover]

About £6,750,000 difference last time I checked.

Plus all those less tangible things like pride and so on. I see you've easily dismissed those though.

We will be able to take the financial hit this season as the Walkers are not in charge anymore.

Pride will be hurt, the players will probably be hurting finishing the season in such a poor fashion. However, next season is a fresh start and IF we are in this league, it will be a new start for us.

[Mattyblue]

If we stay up, this season isnt 'a disaster', it will have been a bloody unnecessary shambles, but there you go, hardly suprising when you have owners who know nowt.

If we go down, it will be a disaster of epic proportions, because it was completely avoidable.

[LeChuck]

We will be able to take the financial hit this season as the Walkers are not in charge anymore.

Pride will be hurt, the players will probably be hurting finishing the season in such a poor fashion. However, next season is a fresh start and IF we are in this league, it will be a new start for us.

That first point is irrelevant. The club will be millions of pounds worse off for appointing Kean. I don't know any business that would define such an appointment as justified in those circumstances. Simply avoiding relegation wasn't the aim when Kean took over, we were aiming to build on a tenth place finish the year before.

What makes you think that Kean will undergo dramatic improvement next year? We've got 1 win from 13 games. 18 points from 19 games. Whatever way you look at it, evidence suggests Kean will have us relegated next year.

The only reason we might be staying up this season is because Allardyce got enough points on the board before he was sacked. It is very much in spite of Kean's presence, not because of.

[onlyonejackwalker]

He's absolutely correct.

If Allardyce was in charge, would we have got into Europe? No.

Would we have survived? Probably.

Would we have been better than our current position? Probably

Does it make a difference if we are 17th or 8th? Nope.

Maybe under the Walker Trust, league position was vital, but with Venky's in charge, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

If we were a team fighting for silverware, or european places, and Kean came and took us on the brink of relegation then yeah, disaster. We were playing for nothing with Allardyce. We wouldn't have got into Europe nor would we have won any silverware.

So why are you shocked to have read that?

Edit: It's next season that matter, if we do pump in more money, then we are expected to fight in the top half of the table, dependent on our summer activity. This season, league position doesn't matter so as long as we survive.

This season has been a total mess! Glad you think it does not matter where we finish! All this uneccesary struggle and turmoil, following a long succession of pathetic results against the worst teams in the league. Well sorry pal, I don't pay my season ticket money to experience so little value for money, shocking results, few goals scored and to watch us catapulting down the league table.

Gav thinks it will have been successful if we stay up! Great stuff! We finish 10th last year and would have pushed on again, especially with 5 million to wax anyway we liked.

Meanwhile, in case you had not noticed we are not safe yet with only two games to go. Amazing planning from our owners and Steve Kean to leave it this late to see what division we play in next year. An unqualified success indeed. Well done to all involved. Hugely professional.

[cruz]

The needle is certainly stuck on this forum

[onlyonejackwalker]

DLWLWLWLLDLLDDDLLWD

10 home games - 30 points available - achieved - 13.

9 away games - 27 points available - achieved - 5.

Failed to score in 7 matches.

Failed to score in 4 home matches.

Kept 4 clean sheets only from 19 games.

Scored 20 goals in 19 matches....(Great attacking football indeed! A joy to behold!)

Conceded 29 goals in 19 matches.

Scored 10 goals away in 9 matches.

Successful indeed! Brilliant. How could I have been so blind?

[Gav]

About £6,750,000 difference last time I checked.

Plus all those less tangible things like pride and so on. I see you've easily dismissed those though.

But you yourself and the rest of your buddies have been telling us, if we go down:

1) We'll lose all our player

2) We'll lose our financial backers and go into administration

3) We’ll never recover

4) Blackburn Rovers will cease to exists etc etc

Now its just down to money? because it looks like we’re staying up you can’t have it all ways LeChuck.

[chris]

Its partly true that unless you get in the top 4 or win a cup you really are just making up the numbers.

that extra 2 or 4 million that we get would only go on the wages in the past.

If we do get 6th it normally means we have some players that are too good and want to leave, they get sold and not replaced.

Whether we would have come 8th 10th or 17th this season, as soon as next season starts its very quickly forgotted.

I wrote off this season as soon as we made NO signings in the summer. I actually thought we deserved to go down this season.

Venkys have to prove themselves this summer for me (if we stay up).

[Blue n White Rover]

DLWLWLWLLDLLDDDLLWD

10 home games - 30 points available - achieved - 13.

9 away games - 27 points available - achieved - 5.

Failed to score in 7 matches.

Failed to score in 4 home matches.

Kept 4 clean sheets only from 19 games.

Scored 20 goals in 19 matches....(Great attacking football indeed! A joy to behold!)

Conceded 29 goals in 19 matches.

Scored 10 goals away in 9 matches.

Successful indeed! Brilliant. How could I have been so blind?

Nobody has said it will be a success if we stay up. How could you be so blind?

[Gav]

Gav thinks it will have been successful if we stay up! Great stuff!

I never said that onlyonejackwalker

[Mattyblue]

Nobody has said it will be a success if we stay up. How could you be so blind?

Erm Gav just did!

[roverwhelmed]

Erm Gav just did!

I hope he isn't being serious.

It has been absolutely horrific in every way imaginable. Can't wait for it to be OVER.

[chris]

I never said that onlyonejackwalker

Yeah you did GAV, in that post where you said you went down on Susan Boyle in 1985, or am I thinking of a different forum and different GAV.

[Gav]

I never said that onlyonejackwalker