[Archived] Steve Kean

[Blue n White Rover]

Erm Gav just did!

Where? I can't seem to find it?

[Gav]

Yeah you did GAV, in that post where you said you went down on Susan Boyle in 1985, or am I thinking of a different forum and different GAV.

**Coffee on keyboard**

Where? I can't seem to find it?

Me neither

[Mattyblue]

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

I apologise, no mention of it being a 'success', but your point is pretty clear.

[Blue n White Rover]

**Coffee on keyboard**

Me neither

Steve Kean's fault.

[FourLaneBlue]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

I see you are still on your wind-up mission Gav.

Not trying to bite as such, but putting a complete novice in charge with no experience is most certainly NOT justified just because he oh-so-wonderfully managed to take them from mid-table safety into staying up by the skin of their teeth. So, in terms of logic, reasoning through using our experience, or just plain common sense...your post was a load of old tosh, wasn't it?

Still, I will let you get on with winding up of some of the board. I'm finding it quite amusing as you are doing it very well.

We do miss waggy to help stir up the natives' knickers into a twist.

[onlyonejackwalker]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

I never said that onlyonejackwalker

Sorry no mention of the word successful....But above you said that "Should we stay up, the appointment of Kean was justified". I presumed you meant that the decision had therefore been successful! Maybe I read it incorrectly. Anyway, there is no way anyone could realtistically say his appointment was justified just by keeping us up as my Grandma could have done the same with far less worry.

I hope he isn't being serious.

>>>>>>>>>I agree.

It has been absolutely horrific in every way imaginable. Can't wait for it to be OVER.

>>>>>>>>>>>I agree again.

DLWLWLWLLDLLDDDLLWD

10 home games - 30 points available - achieved - 13.

9 away games - 27 points available - achieved - 5.

Failed to score in 7 matches.

Failed to score in 4 home matches.

Kept 4 clean sheets only from 19 games.

Scored 20 goals in 19 matches....(Great attacking football indeed! A joy to behold!)

Conceded 29 goals in 19 matches.

Scored 10 goals away in 9 matches.

Successful indeed! Brilliant. How could I have been so blind?

Nobody has said it will be a success if we stay up. How could you be so blind?

Sorry to have rattled you with those figures. But, they are totally transparent and accurate. Apologies if they don't read well for you and your arguments. If you wish, we can pretend we beat some of the teams and gained far more points, scoring lots of great goals through intricate passing movements in the process.

[LeChuck]

But you yourself and the rest of your buddies have been telling us, if we go down:

1) We'll lose all our player

2) We'll lose our financial backers and go into administration

3) We’ll never recover

4) Blackburn Rovers will cease to exists etc etc

Now its just down to money? because it looks like we’re staying up you can’t have it all ways LeChuck.

I'm not just being awkward here, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

[blue_and_white]

But we're staying up Matty in my opinion, so who really cares pal?

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Simple as that.

Most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

[Gav]

I see you are still on your wind-up mission Gav.

Not trying to bite as such, but putting a complete novice in charge with no experience is most certainly NOT justified just because he oh-so-wonderfully managed to take them from mid-table safety into staying up by the skin of their teeth. So, in terms of logic, reasoning through using our experience, or just plain common sense...your post was a load of old tosh, wasn't it?

Still, I will let you get on with winding up of some of the board. I'm finding it quite amusing as you are doing it very well.

We do miss waggy to help stir up the natives' knickers into a twist.

FourLaneBlue, whilst I fully agree with your sentiment, surely you understand that staying up has been the main focus, and it looks like we’re going to achieve that.

The real acid test comes in the summer, they need to sack Kean and provide the new manager with sufficient funds to build the team, and then we can all be friends again.

[Blue n White Rover]

Sorry no mention of the word successful....But above you said that "Should we stay up, the appointment of Kean was justified". I presumed you meant that the decision had therefore been successful! Maybe I read it incorrectly. Anyway, there is no way anyone could realtistically say his appointment was justified just by keeping us up as my Grandma could have done the same with far less worry.

>>>>>>>>>>>I agree again.

Sorry to have rattled you with those figures. But, they are totally transparent and accurate. Apologies if they don't read well for you and your arguments. If you wish, we can pretend we beat some of the teams and gained far more points, scoring lots of great goals through intricate passing movements in the process.

Not rattled me at all. I just agreed with GAV when he said that Kean's appointment will be justified providing we stay up. Your figures just show that Kean hasn't been the best replacement. Not going to disagree with you, what I am trying to say is that if Allardyce was in charge, we wouldn't have got into Europe, nor would we have got relegated. If Kean achieves the same, then it will be justified.

Nobody is saying we will have been successful. Just saying his appointment will be justified as it won't have made a huge difference to our season.

If you wish, we can pretend that Allardyce would have got us into Europe, scoring lots of great goals from long balls and set pieces in the process.

[greco]

But we're staying up, thats what you and Matty want isn't it?

avoiding relegation is what we all want, but some of us, are of the opinion that this torture, could have been avoided.

sometimes i get the feeling, that you would rather have a relegation scrapa nd the excitement it brings, then being safe midtable by now, please tell me im wrong gav

[FourLaneBlue]

FourLaneBlue, whilst I fully agree with your sentiment, surely you understand that staying up has been the main focus, and it looks like we’re going to achieve that.

The real acid test comes in the summer, they need to sack Kean and provide the new manager with sufficient funds to build the team, and then we can all be friends again.

No problem for me with all this arguing, it's only a messageboard, after all?

In some ways, potting Allardyce could have been justified.

What I don't think can be justified is the timing, which was terrible, nor the choice of replacement. I also think Sam should have reasonably been given a chance to produce more attacking play first.

If the new owners had had a manager in mind before sacking Sam who they thought could take us forward, that would have been their choice,

Sacking him and then installing whoever was around was stupid, and that would be the same in any business.

Therefore, I hope if they do get rid of Kean in the summer (which I doubt they will in the end, to be honest) that they actually have some clue as to who they wish to replace him this time.

This half-season or so has been a farce. Time for Venkys to actually have some sort of plan regarding the management of the club - from chairman to manager to backroom staff - rather than this crap we have had so far.

[PAFELL]

We will be able to take the financial hit this season as the Walkers are not in charge anymore.

Pride will be hurt, the players will probably be hurting finishing the season in such a poor fashion. However, next season is a fresh start and IF we are in this league, it will be a new start for us.

That is dependant on If Venkys have the money to fund rovers in the championship. Paying prem wages in the championship etc etc. Even if they have the funds - would they consider it a worthwhile investment to do so. they may just consider rovers a business that costs too much and not worth anymore investment and let it - the business - just go broke and walk away.

I believe that is a scenario we are truly looking at. Rovers in the prem, is a business worthwhile keeping for Venky's - but not if the club are in the championship.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Not rattled me at all. I just agreed with GAV when he said that Kean's appointment will be justified providing we stay up. Your figures just show that Kean hasn't been the best replacement. Not going to disagree with you, what I am trying to say is that if Allardyce was in charge, we wouldn't have got into Europe, nor would we have got relegated. If Kean achieves the same, then it will be justified.

Nobody is saying we will have been successful. Just saying his appointment will be justified as it won't have made a huge difference to our season.

If you wish, we can pretend that Allardyce would have got us into Europe, scoring lots of great goals from long balls and set pieces in the process.

You know, this is the bit that I find most interesting.

At no time have I made any mention of Allardyce, but all the Keantards seem to refer back to him as a matter of course for some reason. SA has gone. Move on and evaluate exactly what has happened since he left from an objective viewpoint. "Anyone But Allardyce" was always a very poor argument.

Fingers crossed we stay up, remove Kean, employ someone with some pedigree and history, unite the fans and start making sensible and logical decisions relating to the football club. It is as simple as that.

DLWLWLWLLDLLDDDLLWD This is the only way fans should be judging Kean and clearly it has been very, very poor indeed, highlighted by the fact we remain in serious danger and peril with only two games to go.

[LeChuck]

if Allardyce was in charge, we wouldn't have got into Europe, nor would we have got relegated. If Kean achieves the same, then it will be justified.

Is that really how you view football?

By your logic, if Kean scrapes to 17th on goal difference he'll have achieved the same as Allardyce did last year when he finished 10th. It's a pretty ludicrous suggestion, and quite demeaning to teams who don't have the finances to challenge for European places, but do want to compete as best as they can in the Premier League.

[Gav]

avoiding relegation is what we all want, but some of us, are of the opinion that this torture, could have been avoided.

sometimes i get the feeling, that you would rather have a relegation scrapa nd the excitement it brings, then being safe midtable by now, please tell me im wrong gav

Thats what I was trying to get across greco, money doesn't matter, results don't matter, we just need to avoid relegation this time around and see what happens.

As for justification of the Kean role, the owners will view the Kean appointment as being a success, if they ever viewed us as being relegation candidates like the vast majority did on here.

So it stands to reason that avoiding relegation, which I think we will, obviously will justify the appointment of Mr Steve Kean.

Hope that’s clear.

[Amo]

At the end of the season if we're still in the premiership, the appointment of Kean was justified and the owners got it right in not sacking him with 10 games to go.

Still doesn't justify the decision to sack Allardyce when they did.

Hopefully, this season will be a write-off and Venky's can prove how much they want to take us forward. But I have a feeling Kean will still be in charge come the summer.

[Parsonblue]

Nobody is saying we will have been successful. Just saying his appointment will be justified as it won't have made a huge difference to our season.

Personally, I've found a huge difference between last season and the second half of this season. The figures since Kean's appointment make grim reading and we may well go into the last day of the season needing a result to stay in the Premier League. I fail to see anyway in which the sacking of Allardyce and the appointment of Kean can be justified after the events of the past five months. Unless, of course, Venkys find three months without a win acceptable. If so, then I would agree the appointment of Kean is fully justified.

[yoda]

Most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

Really,

try reading Vinjay

[Gav]

No problem for me with all this arguing, it's only a messageboard, after all?

In some ways, potting Allardyce could have been justified.

What I don't think can be justified is the timing, which was terrible, nor the choice of replacement. I also think Sam should have reasonably been given a chance to produce more attacking play first.

If the new owners had had a manager in mind before sacking Sam who they thought could take us forward, that would have been their choice,

Sacking him and then installing whoever was around was stupid, and that would be the same in any business.

Therefore, I hope if they do get rid of Kean in the summer (which I doubt they will in the end, to be honest) that they actually have some clue as to who they wish to replace him this time.

This half-season or so has been a farce. Time for Venkys to actually have some sort of plan regarding the management of the club - from chairman to manager to backroom staff - rather than this crap we have had so far.

Couldn't agree more, but it could have been a far bigger farce had we gone down, I'm sure you'll agree.

Still doesn't justify the decision to sack Allardyce when they did.

Hopefully, this season will be a write-off and Venky's can prove how much they want to take us forward. But I have a feeling Kean will still be in charge come the summer.

I never mentioned Allardyce, wrong end of stick.

[Amo]

I never mentioned Allardyce, wrong end of stick.

But the situation you're talking about re: Kean is a consequence of sacking Allardyce.

[Blue n White Rover]

Is that really how you view football?

By your logic, if Kean scrapes to 17th on goal difference he'll have achieved the same as Allardyce did last year when he finished 10th. It's a pretty ludicrous suggestion, and quite demeaning to teams who don't have the finances to challenge for European places, but do want to compete as best as they can in the Premier League.

It is not the way I view football, however, after the rollercoaster ride we have had this season, it will be easily justified. All I'm trying to say is that with Allardyce in charge we would have stayed in this league, and now with Kean in charge, we will probably achieve the same. So in turn, Venky's decision will be justified.

If you disagree, then I'd like to know your views as to why. Not being an arse or anything, I'm genuinely interested on other people's view, and enjoy the debate.

[chris]

DLWLWLWLLDLLDDDLLWD This is the only way fans should be judging Kean and clearly it has been very, very poor indeed, highlighted by the fact we remain in serious danger and peril with only two games to go.

“It is not truth that matters, but victory” Adolf Hitler

[blue_and_white]

Not rattled me at all. I just agreed with GAV when he said that Kean's appointment will be justified providing we stay up. Your figures just show that Kean hasn't been the best replacement. Not going to disagree with you, what I am trying to say is that if Allardyce was in charge, we wouldn't have got into Europe, nor would we have got relegated. If Kean achieves the same, then it will be justified.

Nobody is saying we will have been successful. Just saying his appointment will be justified as it won't have made a huge difference to our season.

If you wish, we can pretend that Allardyce would have got us into Europe, scoring lots of great goals from long balls and set pieces in the process.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when a club sacks a manager (as opposed to them leaving), it is done so the new manager will be an improvement, no? Unless of course Venkys are totally tapped and plan to do this every season for a laugh. So if Kean's whole purpose was to improve us then the only way his appointment could have been justified is us finishing above 10th, something we have spectacularly failed to do.

Given the poor quality of most of the league we'd have finished 8th this season under Allardyce without breaking a sweat. Usually that is enough for European qualification via the Intertoto but Birmingham winning the League Cup and Stoke getting to the final of the FA Cup means it'll be 6th this season, so we'd have been unlucky.

That last line tells the same old story, you didn't like Allardyce's style so you're willing to twist his record into somehow being equal to clown Kean's. The biggest insult to our former manager and most bizarre appraisal of this season yet.

[Gav]

But the situation you're talking about re: Kean is a consequence of sacking Allardyce.

Indeed, but once Allardyce went, we had to fill the position and remain in the league, which hopefully we've done.