[Archived] Steve Kean

[47er]

Absolute tripe, as I keep saying Allardyce had to go, the only improvements he’d actually made to the side, the defence, had gone backwards this season and looked, and still do, like they’ve never played football before.

Don’t even get me started on Kalinic, his 6m pound striker that was played out of position week in week out and will never be good enough for the premiership.

The appointment of Kean was bizarre to say the least. His intentions are good, looking to play a passing more entertaining style, but the players don’t seem up to it unfortunately and like Allardyce he doesn’t have a plan B.

They should have brought a more experienced manager in to replace Allardyce, the reality of that could be about to hit them if we fail on Saturday.

So "Allardyce had to go" did he? Why was that then? Because we were in danger of finishing top ten again?

Because you and Waggy and Abbey and various other aficionados of the beautiful game hated him even before he joined us?

And, by the way, before you start, I go out a lot, have all the female company I need, didn't become a glory-hunter when we bought Shearer and haven't been spoiled ever since.

[Amo]

For someone who's spent the whole season sniping from behind a keyboard during the games, that must come quite easily.

Trouble for me Topman, and I don't mind admitting it, is that the way I see it, - it could quite well be all over*. As long as I've been following the team there have always been people running the club who have genuine love of the club and real gumption when it comes to making the right moves at the right time. I can't see anything left that I recognise as being Blackburn Rovers. We have owners who would need a sat nav to find Ewood park and we have people running the football side of things who simply shouldn't be here. and you know what? I don't see how that's going to change. Maybe Venky's have gone too far already.

And I guess rambling on about how Sam was the best thing since sliced bread, and how Kean is a total amateur, is really conducive to a healthy debate, even though it's all been said to death in the past month or so?

I admit these are unnerving times, and I understand your concerns, but I really don't see the point of going over the past. There's nothing the fans can do but stand united when the players and the club need us most.

I'm no lover of Sam

Could've fooled me. You rush to his defence, even when we're aren't discussing his managerial ability.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Absolute tripe, as I keep saying Allardyce had to go, the only improvements he’d actually made to the side, the defence, had gone backwards this season and looked, and still do, like they’ve never played football before.

Don’t even get me started on Kalinic, his 6m pound striker that was played out of position week in week out and will never be good enough for the premiership.

The appointment of Kean was bizarre to say the least. His intentions are good, looking to play a passing more entertaining style, but the players don’t seem up to it unfortunately and like Allardyce he doesn’t have a plan B.

They should have brought a more experienced manager in to replace Allardyce, the reality of that could be about to hit them if we fail on Saturday.

Why did Allardyce have to go? Because you say so? If you bother to check you will see that the team finished 10th last year, what was eminently respectable as all clubs around us spent big.

Kalinic is SA's achilles heel with you is he? Sounds like you are clutching at straws to me. One of those fans determined to see the back of SA, who could not see the wood for the tree and is now desperately backtracking after witnessing recent events and finally understanding what a good job the previous manager did. Laughable.

"His intentions are good, looking to play a passing more entertaining style, but the players don’t seem up to it unfortunately and like Allardyce he doesn’t have a plan B."

Should read;

"His knowledge is non-existant, his previous experience zero, his selections, formations and tactics clueless and his self-serving ignorance damaging. Unlike the previous manager Kean has no man-management skills and is insistant on playing in a style unsuited to the quality of our players. Unlike the provious manager, this will be his last job at this level. Unlike the last manager, SK is unable to inspire or get the best out of his players. Consistent with the last manager, the new manager will get sacked shortly. Hip, hip, hooray. Can't wait."

[Neil Weaver]

* I don't mean the club going out of business here. I mean the club not being the same as it always has. I mean the club not meaning the same to the people of Blackburn.

In the light of what Paul's posted about things like the mortgage agreement, the Venky's apparent inability to tell things to us straight, and recent things that we were warned about months ago now coming to pass I'm not ruling out the first part of your statement Den. And I'm not naturally pessimistic.

[Gav]

So "Allardyce had to go" did he? Why was that then? Because we were in danger of finishing top ten again?

Because you and Waggy and Abbey and various other aficionados of the beautiful game hated him even before he joined us?

And, by the way, before you start, I go out a lot, have all the female company I need, didn't become a glory-hunter when we bought Shearer and haven't been spoiled ever since.

Let me make it easy for you:

Allardyce had to go, that’s my opinion, and no amount of following me around this site day after day, jumping on my every word will change that.

[K-Hod]

Every discussion on this site seems to end up being about Sam Allardyce!

I was more than happy for him to continue for the short to medium term, but if Venky's vision was to come to fruition then maybe I would have preferred a different manager.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat now though over that clueless Scot!

[Mattyblue]

GAV would have been delighted to see him go at the end of last season (a season we finished 10th and got to a cup semi!), so no suprises he wanted him gone after the Man Yoo defeat.

He just didn't like the bloke.

[Gav]

GAV would have been delighted to see him go at the end of last season (a season we finished 10th and got to a cup semi!), so no suprises he wanted him gone after the Man Yoo defeat.

He just didn't like the bloke.

You’re quite right I didn’t like the bloke, I didn’t like the way he used to claim we’d bought the title, I didn’t like the way he used to slag us off at every opportunity when Bolton manager, and I didn’t like the way he backed Diouf after his dive at Ewood, and that was all before I witnessed his football.

Now don’t start asking me questions about this and that, he’s gone, end of.

[jim mk2]

GAV, you got for you wished for with the departure of Sam but if you had these articles beforehand you might have changed your mind.

Make no mistake, this is exactly where Rovers are heading.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/john-cross/Where-are-the-Charlton-fans-who-wanted-Alan-Curbishley-out-now-article28908.html

http://www.footballfancast.com/2010/07/football-blogs/do-charlton-fans-forever-rue-the-day-they-forced-curbishley-out

[Gav]

GAV, you got for you wished for with the departure of Sam but if you had these articles beforehand you might have changed your mind.

Make no mistake, this is exactly where Rovers are heading.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/john-cross/Where-are-the-Charlton-fans-who-wanted-Alan-Curbishley-out-now-article28908.html

http://www.footballfancast.com/2010/07/football-blogs/do-charlton-fans-forever-rue-the-day-they-forced-curbishley-out

Not sure I would Jim to be honest, I almost stopped going under Allardyce, and that’s the first time in 35yrs I’d felt like that. Not even Kidds reign or Inces for that matter had me feeling so negative towards the club.

I’ve not really given relegation to much thought, if the worst happens it could be disastrous for the club, then again it could be better in the long run, who knows.

Time will tell.

[Iceman]

Not sure I would Jim to be honest, I almost stopped going under Allardyce, and that’s the first time in 35yrs I’d felt like that. Not even Kidds reign or Inces for that matter had me feeling so negative towards the club.

I’ve not really given relegation to much thought, if the worst happens it could be disastrous for the club, then again it could be better in the long run, who knows.

Time will tell.

so you would give all the security and safety under Allardyce up, for what we are seeing now?

[Gav]

so you would give all the security and safety under Allardyce up, for what we are seeing now?

I don’t want to go around in circles Iceman, whilst Allardyces record keeping teams up is good, that’s no guarantee he wouldn’t have taken us down this season, when he left we sat 4 points I think above relagation? Hardly secure and safe.

Anyone who watched us against Man Utd, Spurs (a) Sunderland at home and Stoke away must have had real concerns about our chances of staying in this league, shambolic at Utd and Stoke.

[mark1875]

Anyone who watched us against Man Utd, Spurs (a) Sunderland at home and Stoke away must have had real concerns about our chances of staying in this league, shambolic at Utd and Stoke.

compared to villa and wigan (a) and stoke and newcastle at home under kean?

bottom line is big sam had an incredible record at home, especially against teams around/below us.

steve kean seem's out of his depth and tactically naive against any opposition.

[Kelbo]

Any arguments for or against Steve Kean will be realised after our next two games, I dont want the fella anywhere near our club now, however, should we not collect four points from our next two games, any arguments in his favour would be shot to bits, well, they are now, thats just giving him a bit of leeway he doesnt deserve!!

[broadsword]

I don’t want to go around in circles Iceman, whilst Allardyces record keeping teams up is good, that’s no guarantee he wouldn’t have taken us down this season, when he left we sat 4 points I think above relagation?

4 points above the drop zone in Dec is probably worth 10 points above drop zone in May.

If we do get relegated, my hope would obviously be that Venky's dispose of us on the cheap and someone with some connection with the club buys us and re-builds.

To be honest, the whole situation is such a mess anyway that I see it as inevitable within the next couple of years. It will take something drastic to stop it.

[gumboots]

Any arguments for or against Steve Kean will be realised after our next two games, I dont want the fella anywhere near our club now, however, should we not collect four points from our next two games, any arguments in his favour would be shot to bits, well, they are now, thats just giving him a bit of leeway he doesnt deserve!!

I don't think many would argue in his favour now, but we have to appear to be united and therefore whatever we say here we have to appear to be behind the manager on Saturday as he's part of the set up. Can't exactly stand there shouting," We love you, Rovers but not that ******* Kean." Need to keep off his back during the match. Obviously you won't want to cheer for him as in there'll be few chants of "Steve Kean's Blue and white army, or Keano, give us a wave." Forget he's there - don't keep looking at the dugout. Just support the players on the pitch at the time, whoever they are, even if Keith is included.

[Kelbo]

I don't think many would argue in his favour now, but we have to appear to be united and therefore whatever we say here we have to appear to be behind the manager on Saturday as he's part of the set up. Can't exactly stand there shouting," We love you, Rovers but not that ******* Kean." Need to keep off his back during the match. Obviously you won't want to cheer for him as in there'll be few chants of "Steve Kean's Blue and white army, or Keano, give us a wave." Forget he's there - don't keep looking at the dugout. Just support the players on the pitch at the time, whoever they are, even if Keith is included.

I would agree with that 100%

[farhanology]

before Sam Allardyce is beatified, can anyone do a weekly league position table under Allardyce's tenure this year? We were teetering around the relegation positions too I think. So i'm not too sure the arguments appealing to security works, especially when we did not strenghten as much as other midtable teams. I would still believe that even under Sam we will have Kean-like topsy turvy league positions that edge perilously towards the bottom three. Allardyce vs Kean? Just stop the speculation, it goes nowhere.

[Mattyblue]

Eh? You've just done a whole load of speculation yourself!

Of course we wernt 'safe' in December, but as I had faith in the manager, players who knew their roles and a chairman providing stability. you could feel pretty secure.

Can you say the same of BRFC in March?

[Kelbo]

Eh? You've just done a whole load of speculation yourself!

Of course we wernt 'safe' in December, but as I had faith in the manager, players who knew their roles and a chairman providing stability. you could feel pretty secure.

Can you say the same of BRFC in March?

If farhanology had seen recent performances, I am sure he wouldnt have made those comments, its been dire, no organisation, no direction and lacking in discipline!

[BPF]

I've read back and can't see it commented on but the news of the world today issued a correction saying that mrs desai wasn't in London at all last weekend.

Anyone else spot it. Just thought it interesting as the whole debate about Kean getting the boot last week stemmed from that one article.

Shows how much power the press have. The apology is about 3 or 4 lines long and not the headline grabbing backpage of the original article.

Brilliant.

I can't say anything else legally.

Therefore, brilliant. Really made me laugh.

[farhanology]

Sure, many performances were utter shambolic - but we had those days too under Sam. Point I was trying to make here is that the league has become so competitive, the static no 'Plan B' Allardyce football coupled with our non up to scratch players. Again its all -ifs. I would still be convinced even if the club wasnt under "turmoil", we would be in the same precarious position. There is no way Rovers can still secure 10th with Allardyce this year. or Kean. - other teams are more competitive.

[Gav]

its been dire, no organisation, no direction and lacking in discipline!

Sounds like an away day under Allardyce

[bob fleming]

Nah, it sounds like the Taxi rank outside Asda in Wigan.

[Gav]

Nah, it sounds like the Taxi rank outside in Wigan.

Now thats funny!