[Archived] Steve Kean

[blue_and_white]

"I'm disappointed the season has ended in relegation. Its interrupted an outstanding sequence of positive results for us. Hic!"

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Somebody wrote in the other thread "Kean's innocent until proven guilty" and said somethng about waiting for the results of the blood test.

For confirmation - he blew a positive breath sample, meaning the alcohol in his breath was over the legal limit.

This means he is instantly guilty, there's no two ways about it - hence why he was charged the next morning.

His appearance in court in June will be to take his punishment of points/fine/ban.

A blood test would only be taken if a breath test was not possible and/or refused.

I wonder why he was stopped in the first place. Possibly irratic driving, but you'd be surprised the amount of anonymous calls go in to the police when they know that somebody is irresponsibly getting into a vehicle after having too much to drink.

I think if he fails the breath test at the Police Station he is legally allowed to request a blood sample to be taken.

Looks like this is taking a back seat now

[old darwen blue]

Whilst i don't condone the DD, how many players would be out of a job if they has all been binned for similar offences?.

If he personally employs a chauffeur to carry on his duties I don't see how they can sack him.

Fair enough the media coverage and damage it does short term to the club is not needed, he's not the first manager and won't be the last to be caught DD.

Any examples of managers pal?

[67splitscreen]

Any examples of managers pal?

Gave one earlier in the topic, a certain bridge in Darwen was repositioned.

[Uxbridge rover]

If its Tue that he has been caught over the limit then keane is a fool. But if we were challenging for the CL, how many people on here would be calling for him to be sacked because of this stupid action. I'm not by any means a fan of his and would like to see him replaced, but let's not jump on the moral band waggon eh.

[RevidgeBlue]

Somebody wrote in the other thread "Kean's innocent until proven guilty" and said somethng about waiting for the results of the blood test.

For confirmation - he blew a positive breath sample, meaning the alcohol in his breath was over the legal limit.

This means he is instantly guilty, there's no two ways about it - hence why he was charged the next morning.

His appearance in court in June will be to take his punishment of points/fine/ban.

A blood test would only be taken if a breath test was not possible and/or refused.

I wonder why he was stopped in the first place. Possibly irratic driving, but you'd be surprised the amount of anonymous calls go in to the police when they know that somebody is irresponsibly getting into a vehicle after having too much to drink.

If you're going to pontificate about legal matters at least get it right.

The suspect has a right to request a blood test if the breath sample is only marginally above the legal limit.(Below 40 I think - legal limit 35)

If however he has already been charged that would tend to suggest that he either did not request a blood test, or that if he did, it confirmed the reading on the breath test.

[RevidgeBlue]

Silly man, a bit like Mokoena a few years back who was done for driving with no licence and insurance - can't these guys on tens of thousands a quid a week afford a driver?.

Maybe I'm a bit old school and out of touch but I have to differentiate between someone who causes a serious accident whilst blind drunk and someone who makes a mistake and is caught driving whilst slightly over the limit with no other aggravating features.

If found guilty he'll get a large fine and ban from 12 months upwards depending on the reading. End of story really, he can afford a chauffeur - no big deal

The only thing that matters is that he does not let it affect his ability to do the job prior to Sunday.

Of course if the owners want to take the moral high ground on this, then Kean has given them the perfect opportunity to do so and fire him without further ado on Monday. Some on here might be happy with that. Personally I'd rather he was judged on his results. However it also has to be said that he was very quick to take the moral high ground with EHD himself..........

[FourLaneBlue]

The only thing that matters is that he does not let it affect his ability to do the job prior to Sunday.

What ability?

[Steve Moss]

I like to see somebody try to defend the imbecile for this one...

He's innocent until proven guilty. A breath test is evidence of guilt but is not conclusive. Let the man have his day in court and then judge him.

And to be clear, I think he's not acceptable as Rovers manager and I have been of that position since he was appointed. However, he deserves a fair shake in the justice system, same as everyone else.

I may be wrong but I think alcohol is a big no-no in a Muslim society, so this could well be a major issue for Venky's to deal with.

They're Hindu as others have pointed out. Does anyone know Hindu views on alcohol?

This and Myles Andreson are two gross misjudgments to go with his less than stellar record. It doesn't matter if it was merely half a glass too much with Sir Alex and/or if he was 1% over the limit.

He's had far more than two gross misjudgments in my opinion. However, I agree he needs to go.

The only thing that matters is that he does not let it affect his ability to do the job prior to Sunday.

This is my hope, also. From a self-interest perspective, he needs to draw or win for the sake of his future career. A draw is not great, but it would allow him to spin his record to future employers. A win would allow him to claim that he's a great manager (one point a game average!) which is remarkable (he'll claim), relying on injuries, alleged disaffected players, alleged covering all senior jobs (chairman, etc.) and, maybe, Venkys meddling (transfers, lack of staffing, travel). Kean needs to win as much as the Rovers do.

[RevidgeBlue]

What ability?

We've performed really well in the last 4 games when the pressure has really been on.

Of course we'd obviously be better off with an experienced hard faced old school manager who has won the respect of everyone in the game and more trophies than you can shake a stick at.

Like Alex McCleish.

[FourLaneBlue]

We've performed really well in the last 4 games when the pressure has really been on.

Of course we'd obviously be better off with an experienced hard faced old school manager who has won the respect of everyone in the game and more trophies than you can shake a stick at.

Like Alex McCleish.

Fair enough, you've convinced me. In the last 4 months Kean has won 1 game and "McCleish" (a random name thrown into the mix out of nowhere but, ok, I'll run with it) has won 1 major trophy.

I think you meant McLeish, by the way.

Whatever, time for Kean to go after the Wolves game. Whatever the result. The Premiership is not the place to be doing your apprenticeship.

[RevidgeBlue]

Fair enough, you've convinced me. In the last 4 months Kean has won 1 game and "McCleish" (a random name thrown into the mix out of nowhere but, ok, I'll run with it) has won 1 major trophy.

I think you meant McLeish, by the way.

Whatever, time for Kean to go after the Wolves game. Whatever the result. The Premiership is not the place to be doing your apprenticeship.

Whatever you might say about Kean the players do at least seem to be playing for him. My point about McCleish (sorry Dad) McLeish is that he is a highly respected and generally well regarded manager yet the Birmingham players don't appear to be similarly pulling together for him.

I think Kean will keep us up if the players display the sort of commitment for him they have done in the last four games. For that he will deserve some credit. I think McLeish is taking Brum down unles they have one almighty clear the air meeting this week. Not sure I'd swap Premiership safety for the League Cup.

[FourLaneBlue]

The players seem to playing for Kean? That's funny, they've only won once in four months. Heaven forbid what would happen if they thought he wasn't much kop.

I'm not sure how much credit he deserves for taking us into a relegation battle just to possibly get us out of it due to the inadequacies of others. It's not as if we have shot our way out of trouble now is it?

I'm not sure why you brought up McLeish randomly in the first place. It's not as if he is our boss. Is it because he is experienced and at a similar club to ours? Why not mention Tony Pulis? Similar club to Birmingham, but obviously doesn't push your agenda in the same way.

Sorry Rev or Dad, but one win in 4 months just isn't good enough. You want him judged on results. Fine, let's sack him then. His time has, unfortunately, been a disaster at Rovers. On Sunday, it may have its final denouement. we aren't safe yet.

[RevidgeBlue]

I'm not sure why you brought up McLeish randomly in the first place.

Partially because you made a sarcastic quip about Kean's ability when I was making a completely unrelated point about the Court case.

McLeish obviously has some ability but could well be taking Brum down. Kean could well be keeping Rovers up. It's a funny old game at times.

Not sure why you're being quite so abrasive either.

[jim mk2]

Maybe I'm a bit old school and out of touch but I have to differentiate between someone who causes a serious accident whilst blind drunk and someone who makes a mistake and is caught driving whilst slightly over the limit with no other aggravating features.

The only thing that matters is that he does not let it affect his ability to do the job prior to Sunday.

No excuse for drinking and driving - none whatsoever.

I'd encourage him to have a few drinks before the Wolves match - he couldn't do his job any worse than at present.

[Paul]

Maybe I'm a bit old school and out of touch but I have to differentiate between someone who causes a serious accident whilst blind drunk and someone who makes a mistake and is caught driving whilst slightly over the limit with no other aggravating features.

I can't help but feel you are in a minority here Revidge. In my youth, 19-20 or so, I wouldn't have thought twice about driving after a night out. Nearly 40 years on we all know drink driving is dangerous and socially unacceptable. Today I wouldn't drive the morning after a heavy night, the risk, in every sense, is too great.

If I was banned for this offence I'd expect to lose my job. As my work depends on being able to drive. However two of our staff have been banned in recent years and because their jobs are not dependent on driving there was no company action.

Those calling for Kean to be sacked for this are way off the mark. He should receive the appropriate punishment, if guilty, and then allowed to continue his life. Only if the punishment prevents him working should he be dismissed.

[Iceman]

Hughesy, I was going to reply in the other thread, but its locked. you mentioned, that its Kean who should take the blame, and not the clubs fault. its a fair point, however Kean REPRESENTS Rovers, as does the players, management and fans. He, if proved guilty has dragged the clubs name through the mud. The media won't just say Steve Kean was caught drinking and driving, they will say BLACKBURN ROVERS manager caught drinking and driving. Its very important, that as a senior figure, that you set an example to the players. You lose all respect, if you as the manager cannot lay down certain rules, because you have broken them yourself.

[Mike Graham]

I can't help but feel you are in a minority here Revidge. In my youth, 19-20 or so, I wouldn't have thought twice about driving after a night out. Nearly 40 years on we all know drink driving is dangerous and socially unacceptable. Today I wouldn't drive the morning after a heavy night, the risk, in every sense, is too great.

If I was banned for this offence I'd expect to lose my job. As my work depends on being able to drive. However two of our staff have been banned in recent years and because their jobs are not dependent on driving there was no company action.

Those calling for Kean to be sacked for this are way off the mark. He should receive the appropriate punishment, if guilty, and then allowed to continue his life. Only if the punishment prevents him working should he be dismissed.

Paul, totally agree with your commonsense comments>

SK needs to employ Nick Freeman, lawyer to the stars and drink drive footballers.

He should not be dismissed for this but rather his total inability to manage Blackburn Rovers or indeed any old park team.

This is going to be great preperation for Sunday as SK's mind will be on a potential ban and publicity rather than Wolves and our tactics....perhaps that is not a bad thing then

He's innocent until proven guilty. A breath test is evidence of guilt but is not conclusive. Let the man have his day in court and then judge him.

And to be clear, I think he's not acceptable as Rovers manager and I have been of that position since he was appointed. However, he deserves a fair shake in the justice system, same as everyone else.

They're Hindu as others have pointed out. Does anyone know Hindu views on alcohol?

He's had far more than two gross misjudgments in my opinion. However, I agree he needs to go.

This is my hope, also. From a self-interest perspective, he needs to draw or win for the sake of his future career. A draw is not great, but it would allow him to spin his record to future employers. A win would allow him to claim that he's a great manager (one point a game average!) which is remarkable (he'll claim), relying on injuries, alleged disaffected players, alleged covering all senior jobs (chairman, etc.) and, maybe, Venkys meddling (transfers, lack of staffing, travel). Kean needs to win as much as the Rovers do.

I have been to a few Hindu weddings...the blokes drink like fish, especially when it comes to Guinness and scotch (not together).

[47er]

There's a lot of hyprocrisy about this on here. If it were Sparky would we demand the Club sack him? Of course we would not. We'd expect him to face the fine, the embarassment and the inconvenience as the system demands and get on with his job.

If Alan Shearer had done this in his second season with us would we demand the club sell him? No we wouldn't. (If it were Keith we might though!).

Not trivialising it or anything, Kean should be sacked but not for this.

[imy9]

Cant believe I am saying this but I agree with you 47er- you make a lot of sense

[PAFELL]

Silly man, a bit like Mokoena a few years back who was done for driving with no licence and insurance - can't these guys on tens of thousands a quid a week afford a driver?.

Maybe I'm a bit old school and out of touch but I have to differentiate between someone who causes a serious accident whilst blind drunk and someone who makes a mistake and is caught driving whilst slightly over the limit with no other aggravating features.

If found guilty he'll get a large fine and ban from 12 months upwards depending on the reading. End of story really, he can afford a chauffeur - no big deal

The only thing that matters is that he does not let it affect his ability to do the job prior to Sunday.

Of course if the owners want to take the moral high ground on this, then Kean has given them the perfect opportunity to do so and fire him without further ado on Monday. Some on here might be happy with that. Personally I'd rather he was judged on his results. However it also has to be said that he was very quick to take the moral high ground with EHD himself..........

Drink driving is wrong - full stop. If I go out at night, the van stays at home. Though if I am honest the following morning is often hard to work out. It has been a debate for years how long alcohol takes to leave the system. some say 12 hours after your last drink and your ok.

But in this incident involving Kean - it wasn't the following morning. Therefore deserves whatever comes to him. As to losing his job over it, sadly probable not the reason. Though if somebody was looking for an excuse to sack him, then it could be used.

Behaviour unexceptable to his position as a manager, at Rovers,

Bringing the club into disrepute,

I suppose if Venkys wanted to remove him, then they could use this drink drive charge - if found guilty - as an excuse to do so. May even reduce any compo payment. So there may be an opportunity if they chose to do so.

[Mattyblue]

Cant believe I am saying this but I agree with you 47er- you make a lot of sense

A very balanced post, wouldn't you say?

[Kelbo]

If you're going to pontificate about legal matters at least get it right.

The suspect has a right to request a blood test if the breath sample is only marginally above the legal limit.(Below 40 I think - legal limit 35)

If however he has already been charged that would tend to suggest that he either did not request a blood test, or that if he did, it confirmed the reading on the breath test.

If there has to be a blood test done, one sample is kept by the Police and the second sample is given to the suspect, he can choose which of the two samples he takes and his 'brief' will get the sample tested prior to any court hearing unless of course the suspect specifically refuses to have one, this would be the case if the reading was high!!

[adopted scouser]

There's a lot of hyprocrisy about this on here. If it were Sparky would we demand the Club sack him? Of course we would not. We'd expect him to face the fine, the embarassment and the inconvenience as the system demands and get on with his job.

If Alan Shearer had done this in his second season with us would we demand the club sell him? No we wouldn't. (If it were Keith we might though!).

Not trivialising it or anything, Kean should be sacked but not for this.

Spot on

[Ozz]

I wonder why Kean was stopped? Was it erratic driving, speeding, involved in an accident, or do the Police still have Suss?