[Archived] Steve Kean

[onlyonejackwalker]

I have exactly the same opinion of people who own aggressive dogs. But as that braindead custom hasn't been around as long as drink driving it receives a lot less hostility. Not that I'm trying to defend drink driving in any way but it does seem to me that its fashionable to overblow certain crimes. I'm sure Kean will receive a fine and probably a ban but I don't think he should lose his job. Everyone makes mistakes, as long as he learns from it.

I appreciate what you are saying, but this is one of those crimes that is often viewed and assessed regarding the actual level of damage done and not the potential level of damage possible. Potentially this was absolutely catastophic for someone and that is how it should be viewed as it is pure luck and not judgement that has prevented a major talking point and problem for somebody travelling the same route as the drunkard.

I understand people make mistakes and we need to be charitable. But this is up and beyond his work at the club and a very serious issue. Our manager cannot be above the law. I cannot see him being able to soft talk his way out of this and I may be wrong, but I have a feeling our owners will be absolutely disgusted after the amazing support they have offered to him since he signed.

The guy has been gifted an amazing opportunity at our club but clearly does not respect it enough. He has spectacularly failed at most levels of his work and now adds personal problems and shocking personal behaviour to the mix. What a complete plank! He has blown his chance in the sun big-time.

[Pete1981]

When i posted the Email i got from the FA last week about Kean having his badges Kelbo wouldnt believe it as the Scottish FA wouldnt confirm it. I emailed the FA in Scotland and recieved this back today

Dear Peter

All I can say is that Steve Kean would not have got the job without this qualification.

Kind Regards

Tracy

Tracy Young

Football Development Department

Scottish F.A.

Hampden Park

Glasgow

G42 9AY

(T) 0141 616 6063

(F) 0141 616 6076

[ada2020]

When i posted the Email i got from the FA last week about Kean having his badges Kelbo wouldnt believe it as the Scottish FA wouldnt confirm it. I emailed the FA in Scotland and recieved this back today

Dear Peter

All I can say is that Steve Kean would not have got the job without this qualification.

Kind Regards

Tracy

Tracy Young

Football Development Department

Scottish F.A.

Hampden Park

Glasgow

G42 9AY

(T) 0141 616 6063

(F) 0141 616 6076

Nice one.

[Ferrit]

In response to Ste B:

Phil Jones is a player we all like. Steve Kean is a manager we don't like.

Exactly.

[BuckyRover]

I appreciate what you are saying, but this is one of those crimes that is often viewed and assessed regarding the actual level of damage done and not the potential level of damage possible. Potentially this was absolutely catastophic for someone and that is how it should be viewed as it is pure luck and not judgement that has prevented a major talking point and problem for somebody travelling the same route as the drunkard.

I understand people make mistakes and we need to be charitable. But this is up and beyond his work at the club and a very serious issue. Our manager cannot be above the law. I cannot see him being able to soft talk his way out of this and I may be wrong, but I have a feeling our owners will be absolutely disgusted after the amazing support they have offered to him since he signed.

The guy has been gifted an amazing opportunity at our club but clearly does not respect it enough. He has spectacularly failed at most levels of his work and now adds personal problems and shocking personal behaviour to the mix. What a complete plank! He has blown his chance in the sun big-time.

I'm not making light of the situation, he has done wrong and should be punished accordingly.

However, it is not a criminal offence to drive whilst tired yet the consequences of doing so are could be the same as driving whilst over the limit. You could still ruin lives as a result of your actions however society doesn't deem it as bad, as in many circumstances it's necessary to do so to perform your job.

You don't know how far over the limit he was. There are many factors to consider when determining if you are over the limit or not. If it was a close call I have some sympathy with him. If you don't know how strong the wine is you can easily make a mistake.

As I said previously it doesn't excuse it but your hand wringing over the matter is tiresome. There is a massive difference between driving drunk and being caught driving over the limit.

For the record, I don't believe I have ever driven over the limit, could I swear that I haven't? No.

[RevidgeBlue]

He's been stupid and will be dealt with by the courts accordingly and quite right too.

Anything more than this is just knee-jerkism to fuel already ingrained antipathy to Kean...

I wouldn't have a problem if Kean is sacked in the summer as a response to results but I would have a problem if he was sacked for this.

Some on here are so sanctimonious it's embarrassing.

Absolutely spot on. Nothing more to be said on the subject imo.

As for people saying we like (say) Phil Jones so we'd let him off it was him, but we don't like Steve Kean therefore he should be sacked, that is hypocrisy and double standards of the highest order.

[Kelbo]

When i posted the Email i got from the FA last week about Kean having his badges Kelbo wouldnt believe it as the Scottish FA wouldnt confirm it. I emailed the FA in Scotland and recieved this back today

Dear Peter

All I can say is that Steve Kean would not have got the job without this qualification.

Kind Regards

Tracy

Tracy Young

Football Development Department

Scottish F.A.

Hampden Park

Glasgow

G42 9AY

(T) 0141 616 6063

(F) 0141 616 6076

The email I viewed was clear, under the data protection act, it is a matter between Steve Kean and the football club, I didnt say I didnt believe you, I stated the SFA wouldnt confirm this, indeed, each time the question has been posed, the answers are only, he wouldnt have got the job without the qualification!!

No one has said the magic word, Yes, he got the badge on such and such a date, yet with other coaches it is listed and that is what I find most strange.

[yoda]

The email I viewed was clear, under the data protection act, it is a matter between Steve Kean and the football club, I didnt say I didnt believe you, I stated the SFA wouldnt confirm this, indeed, each time the question has been posed, the answers are only, he wouldnt have got the job without the qualification!!

No one has said the magic word, Yes, he got the badge on such and such a date, yet with other coaches it is listed and that is what I find most strange.

Well that cleared that up then!

NOT

[deftangel]

Phil Jones hasn't been responsible for taking a mid-table Premiership club to the brink of relegation. Nor has potentially brought the club into disrepute on a previous occasion already by signing Myles Anderson.

If Jones was charged with drink-driving, he should be dealt with accordingly with the law and given a severe dressing down by the club. As a 19 year old suddenly thrust into the lime-light with the knowledge he will already be a millionaire, I would be minded to give him a second chance given what I can infer about his character.

Kean on the other hand is already on thin ice and sending a horrendous message to players and fans alike from a position of authority on a day many Rovers fans didn't feel like celebrating. He shouldn't be sacked because he's been charged with drink driving. He should be sacked because he has used up more than his fair share of goodwill from this club already and he isn't earning any more with something like this.

Keeping the man in the job would represent a gamble and an enormous amount of trust placed upon him which he hasn't exactly earned through his performance. Not being minded to take that gamble with someone who will potentially bring the club into disrepute is not the unfairest thing I can think of.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I'm not making light of the situation, he has done wrong and should be punished accordingly.

However, it is not a criminal offence to drive whilst tired yet the consequences of doing so are could be the same as driving whilst over the limit. You could still ruin lives as a result of your actions however society doesn't deem it as bad, as in many circumstances it's necessary to do so to perform your job.

You don't know how far over the limit he was. There are many factors to consider when determining if you are over the limit or not. If it was a close call I have some sympathy with him. If you don't know how strong the wine is you can easily make a mistake.

As I said previously it doesn't excuse it but your hand wringing over the matter is tiresome. There is a massive difference between driving drunk and being caught driving over the limit.

For the record, I don't believe I have ever driven over the limit, could I swear that I haven't? No.

He has broken the law and will now quite rightly be dealt with accordingly.

I have no sympathy with drink drivers at all, even if only slightly over the limit or even if the wine was suprisingly a little strong (Diddums). Strong or not, if you don't drink any you won't be over the limit so who is the fool here?

[Hasta]

I would jail every drunk driver as well as give them a driving ban. Getting behind the wheel when drunk is a danger to everybody else on the same route. Makes no diffeence what profession a person is in. I detest drunk drivers.

Out of interest are we jailing people for speeding as well? Against the law and also a danger to other law abiding road users?

Does it matter whether the speeder is doing 77 or 127 on the motorway? Does it matter whether a DD is slightly over the limit or 5 times over? In both cases one is more likely to cause serious injury / death than the other.

[gumboots]

Phil Jones hasn't been responsible for taking a mid-table Premiership club to the brink of relegation. Nor has potentially brought the club into disrepute on a previous occasion already by signing Myles Anderson.

If Jones was charged with drink-driving, he should be dealt with accordingly with the law and given a severe dressing down by the club. As a 19 year old suddenly thrust into the lime-light with the knowledge he will already be a millionaire, I would be minded to give him a second chance given what I can infer about his character.

Kean on the other hand is already on thin ice and sending a horrendous message to players and fans alike from a position of authority on a day many Rovers fans didn't feel like celebrating. He shouldn't be sacked because he's been charged with drink driving. He should be sacked because he has used up more than his fair share of goodwill from this club already and he isn't earning any more with something like this.

Keeping the man in the job would represent a gamble and an enormous amount of trust placed upon him which he hasn't exactly earned through his performance. Not being minded to take that gamble with someone who will potentially bring the club into disrepute is not the unfairest thing I can think of.

Jones is a kid and we all know kids, whoever they are, do things that are daft and occasionally irresponsible. Therefoer if it had been him we'd have cut him some slack this time. If he did it a second time and hadn't learnt from the first mistake, or if he seemed to think it was ok because he's a footballer then we'd quite rightly come down on him like a ton of bricks. Kean on the other hand is a grown man who ought to have put the daftest of his behaviour behind him and be taking a responsible attitude to life. He probably has kids himself and should appreciate thae dangers of drink driving, and think how he'd feel if one of his kids was hit by someone driving dangerously because they were drunk. I've tried not to get involved in the strongest criticisms of him because some have been very personal, but I do think he's been at best, an absolute fool and I wouldn't blame the owners at all fi they got rid of him following this.

[BuckyRover]

He has broken the law and will now quite rightly be dealt with accordingly.

I have no sympathy with drink drivers at all, even if only slightly over the limit or even if the wine was suprisingly a little strong (Diddums). Strong or not, if you don't drink any you won't be over the limit so who is the fool here?

Kean is the fool (as I've said already) whereas you are the sanctimonious git.

I would love to live in your world, where somebody who is slightly under the limit is totally fine whereas someone who is slightly over it is a monster.

unfortunately I'm not that simple

[RevidgeBlue]

Phil Jones hasn't been responsible for taking a mid-table Premiership club to the brink of relegation. Nor has potentially brought the club into disrepute on a previous occasion already by signing Myles Anderson.

1) Kean hasn't done that deliberately - he has done the job to the best of his ability.

2) There is no suggestion there is anything illegal or dodgy whatsoever about signing Myles Anderson. To say Kean has brought the Club into disrepute on that basis is complete nonsense.

[jim mk2]

Kean is the fool (as I've said already) whereas you are the sanctimonious git.

I would love to live in your world, where somebody who is slightly under the limit is totally fine whereas someone who is slightly over it is a monster.

unfortunately I'm not that simple

According to the law it is very simple: if you're over the limit you're nicked.

It's also simple to live by the rule that it you are driving a car you do not drink.

Kean's an idiot and will lose his licence but calls for him to lose his job for this offence are over the top.

As for the more serious offence of being a useless football manager, he does not have any defence (or attack) and should be driven out of Ewood at high speed at the end of the season.

[BuckyRover]

According to the law it is very simple: if you're over the limit you're nicked.

It's also simple to live by the rule that it you are driving a car you do not drink.

Kean's an idiot and will lose his licence but calls for him to lose his job for this offence are over the top.

As for the more serious offence of being a useless football manager, he does not have any defence (or attack) and should be driven out of Ewood at high speed at the end of the season.

That is exactly my point of view. I don't offer any excuses for him.

[funny-old-game]

He'd have to be driven out by someone as he won't have a license by then!

Kean you are the Doughut!

[gumboots]

He'd have to be driven out by someone as he won't have a license by then!

Kean you are the Doughut!

There'd be plenty of voluteers of perhaps he could use that guy who drove Givet from the airport.

[ABBEY]

According to the law it is very simple: if you're over the limit you're nicked.

It's also simple to live by the rule that it you are driving a car you do not drink.

Kean's an idiot and will lose his licence but calls for him to lose his job for this offence are over the top.

As for the more serious offence of being a useless football manager, he does not have any defence (or attack) and should be driven out of Ewood at high speed at the end of the season.

how do you work out being a rubbish football manager is worse than a drunk driver? I hope you never lose any family members due to drink driving.

[Paul]

Thank god, someone with a brain in the media:

"Kean talks of six “positive” results from eight games, but in fact Blackburn have won only once since January." Phil Brown

Should that be seven positive results?

[OscarRaven]

A more useful job for Keith Andrews... Steve's driver. I bet the club ends up picking up the tab anyway, so might as well make the best of it.

[1864roverite]

Come on then, who bubbled him ??

[chocky]

According to the law it is very simple: if you're over the limit you're nicked.

It's also simple to live by the rule that it you are driving a car you do not drink.

Kean's an idiot and will lose his licence but calls for him to lose his job for this offence are over the top.

As for the more serious offence of being a useless football manager, he does not have any defence (or attack) and should be driven out of Ewood at high speed at the end of the season.

If every footballer and manager who committed a criminal offence however small or slightly over the limit in D.I.C cases was banned from football there'd be four reserve leagues playing in England...

[Montfort]

Kean you are the Doughut!

An absolute prat is the phrase that comes to my mind!

He will be good instilling discipline in future won't he.

I hope the punishment is appropriate. Forget any fine. A bit of community service street cleaning would be more appropriate

[yeti-dog]

I appreciate what you are saying, but this is one of those crimes that is often viewed and assessed regarding the actual level of damage done and not the potential level of damage possible. Potentially this was absolutely catastophic for someone and that is how it should be viewed as it is pure luck and not judgement that has prevented a major talking point and problem for somebody travelling the same route as the drunkard.

I understand people make mistakes and we need to be charitable. But this is up and beyond his work at the club and a very serious issue. Our manager cannot be above the law. I cannot see him being able to soft talk his way out of this and I may be wrong, but I have a feeling our owners will be absolutely disgusted after the amazing support they have offered to him since he signed.

The guy has been gifted an amazing opportunity at our club but clearly does not respect it enough. He has spectacularly failed at most levels of his work and now adds personal problems and shocking personal behaviour to the mix. What a complete plank! He has blown his chance in the sun big-time.

Firstly,our manager clearly isn't above the law..he fecked up,got nicked and is now being dealt with by the courts. How is that being 'above the law'?

Secondly,you need to stop reading the Daily Mail so much. The manic moralising tone of that post does you no favours whatsoever.

Absolutely spot on. Nothing more to be said on the subject imo.

As for people saying we like (say) Phil Jones so we'd let him off it was him, but we don't like Steve Kean therefore he should be sacked, that is hypocrisy and double standards of the highest order.

Plenty of that round here at the best of times Revidge..