[Archived] Steve Kean

[tony gale's mic]

So how can be "happy" and "settled" here, when the reason he signed has been hoisted out of the club and replaced with an amateur? He could easily leave here and go to the Far East if he wanted, but he's chosen to stay.

Someone can be drawn to a club for a particular reason, but want to stay because when they actually arrive they find a lot more reasons to enjoy the place. He wouldn't get regular top level football in the Far East for one.

[sparkspakespoke]

But it's already been established that the reason why he came was because Ivan Campo had recommended Sam to him.

There's fundamentally a difference between someone being attracted enough to want to go to a club that they don't know whether they'll like or not, and someone re-signing at a club that they know they're getting regular game time at the top level, where they're settled and where they're a fan favourite.

Total difference. The reference to "players in their prime" was a reference to the players we'll be hoping to attract under Kean.

Of course there is a difference but any player signing for a new club is taking a step into the unknown, and any top player will back themselves to make it work.

I may be wrong but I remember him paying he had a choice between us and a final payday in the far east and he decided he wanted to compete at the top level for as long as he could. He then spoke to campo who reassured him and said sam was great to work under and that he was making the right choice.

Apologies for mis reading your reference, and for what its worth I agree. If we are to sing the players needed to take us forward then we need a boss who is a bigger pull. The players of sufficient quality will be ones with plenty of choices. All clubs play top wages now. We're not able to offer european football so the most realistic draw for a club like us is the chance to play under a quality manager. Kean is not a quality manager.

[Tris]

But it's already been established that the reason why he came was because Ivan Campo had recommended Sam to him.

Where has that been established?

[tony gale's mic]

Where has that been established?

The job he's done over the last few years has been magnificent. He is one of the reasons I came here to England. I spoke with Ivan Campo [who played for Allardyce at Bolton] and he said to me: 'Go, because he likes to work with experienced players'."

[Amo]

Someone can be drawn to a club for a particular reason, but want to stay because when they actually arrive they find a lot more reasons to enjoy the place. He wouldn't get regular top level football in the Far East for one.

Someone of Salgado's class wouldn't commit to the club if they didn't respect the manager. Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

[sparkspakespoke]

Someone of Salgado's class wouldn't commit to the club if they didn't respect the manager. Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

Absolutely spot on. Wish i'd said it.

[tony gale's mic]

Someone of Salgado's class wouldn't commit to the club if they didn't respect the manager. Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous.

Do you think Salgado respects Kean in anything like the same way he respected Allardyce?

I guess it's hard to say either way since we can't read his mind. But unless he thinks Steve Kean is worthy of the England managers' job like he did with Allardyce, I think the answer would be no.

Respect comes in many different shades and degrees.

[imy9]

I think it's all in the wording:

Do the players respect Sam more as a manager or Kean? Sam.

Do the players respect Kean as coach? Yes.

Do the players believe in Keans ability to improve them? Yes.

Do the players believe Kean manage the team effectively? probably yes.

The likes of Salgado would respect a guy who improves his game, Salgado seems very honest so would take him at face value but looking at the squad and how they have been playing for Kean and performing on the pitch recently there is support and respect for him.

Sam as manager is vastly more experienced, Keans 3 quarter season pales in insignificance.

[philipl]

Apparently Kean's press conference hardly talked about Sunday.

[Parsonblue]

Reading the LT today, it would appear as though Kean has been told his job is safe for next season. According to Kean the meeting in India this week was to discuss budgets and contracts for next season, with a new contract for Hoilett being a priority. The wage bill won't be cut and funds will be made available for him to strengthen the squad. Apparantly Kean is spending four days in India next month to discuss more detailed budgets for next season.

[Stuart]

They do realise we aren't safe yet, with all this talk about next season and top 10 finishes. Wish I had their confidence!

[Ferrit]

Let's be honest though, these meetings are clearly a joke.

[AggyBlue]

Let's be honest though, these meetings are clearly a joke.

They just whistle and like to see him come running. How many other PL managers would keep making these day trips to India?

[RibbleValleyRover]

One win in 4 months, yeah the players are fully behind the manager and are responding to his tactics.

[chris]

I think it's all in the wording:

Do the players respect Sam more as a manager or Kean? Sam.

Do the players respect Kean as coach? Yes.

Do the players believe in Keans ability to improve them? Yes.

Do the players believe Kean manage the team effectively? probably yes.

The likes of Salgado would respect a guy who improves his game.

I don't know why you guys are using Salgado as an example, I actually worried if he will cut it next season, 36 will he be, he can't better Blackburn.

and if you expect me to belive that Kean (who I have never heard of until 6 months ago) is going to improve the game of Salgado at 36, probably one of the best right backs in the last 10 years then I would say "I LIKE YOU MAN BUT YOU'RE CRAZY".

Kean: "Ok Michel today I'm going to teach you how to defend"

Salgado: "I have two champions league medal, five La Liga titles, three spanish cup medal, four super cup, one intercontinetal cup medals and and fifty-four Spanish caps, HOW ABOUT NOOOOOOO!"

[imy9]

I don't know why you guys are using Salgado as an example, I actually worried if he will cut it next season, 36 will he be, he can't better Blackburn.

and if you expect me to belive that Kean (who I have never heard of until 6 months ago) is going to improve the game of Salgado at 36, probably one of the best right backs in the last 10 years then I would say "I LIKE YOU MAN BUT YOU'RE CRAZY".

Kean: "Ok Michel today I'm going to teach you how to defend"

Salgado: "I have two champions league medal, five La Liga titles, three spanish cup medal, four super cup, one intercontinetal cup medals and and fifty-four Spanish caps, HOW ABOUT NOOOOOOO!"

What I meant Chris was that being a top class coach Kean obviously has strengths in this area and a number of players have highlighted this already including Olsson, Hoilett, Roberts, MGP, Salgado, etc. Not saying that Kean is going to revolutionise Salgado's game but may help prolong it.

Performances on the pitch reflect that the players as a whole are behind Kean, this has been a horrible run of form but the team has come through it and we have both tactically and points wise been better.

[chris]

What I meant Chris was that being a top class coach Kean obviously has strengths in this area and a number of players have highlighted this already including Olsson, Hoilett, Roberts, MGP, Salgado, etc. Not saying that Kean is going to revolutionise Salgado's game but may help prolong it.

But Kidd and Harford we considered even better coaches, they didn't earn respect as managers.

I really think they all think he is green as a manager and his record must play on their mind.

Although I don;t think Sam is this great attraction anyway.

If we had gone from Hughes to Kean it would have been a huge horrible fall.

Sam was too marmite and a little dull, I wouldn't think a decent player in Spain is thinking well I won;t play for Kean but I would have played for Sam (unless they are a little over the hill like Salgado)

[Kamy100]

I was left bemused by Kean's press conference yesterday, it was like he is living in some parallel universe, you'd have thought that Rovers were not in any relegation trouble whatsoever. I really hope that he is not convaying the claptrap that he come out with yesterday to the players, you can bet your bottom dollar the other 4 teams have ONLY been focusing on one thing at that is winning on Sunday, whereas outwardly our manager has been planning for next season. If this is what he has been doing with the players as well then we all could be in for a massive shock. B

[chris]

I was left bemused by Kean's press conference yesterday, it was like he is living in some parallel universe, you'd have thought that Rovers were not in any relegation trouble whatsoever. I really hope that he is not convaying the claptrap that he come out with yesterday to the players, you can bet your bottom dollar the other 4 teams have ONLY been focusing on one thing at that is winning on Sunday, whereas outwardly our manager has been planning for next season. If this is what he has been doing with the players as well then we all could be in for a massive shock. B

If he managed anyone else you almost say he deserves to go down

[Mattyblue]

I hope it's just for the owners sake (pathetic as that is) and on the training ground there is no sign of complacency.

[chris]

I hope it's just for the owners sake (pathetic as that is) and on the training ground there is no sign of complacency.

don't worry Steve Kean had a great teacher

[gumboots]

I hope it's just for the owners sake (pathetic as that is) and on the training ground there is no sign of complacency.

I think the players know full well the danger of relegation - read Brett yesterday. However, as we've found on here over the last few months, there are always some who like to say all is doom and gloom and thse who like to be overly positive. All of us in reality know that the situation is precarious, but people just cope with it in different ways. When the players go out tomorrow they will know - win and we are safe. Anything else puts us in danger and takes our fate out of our own hands. However, too much pressure to win can be counter productive and I'm hoping that's why Kean is playing it down. Could just be thick though.

[Mercer]

What I meant Chris was that being a top class coach Kean obviously has strengths in this area

IMO, this is a total myth about Kean being a top class coach.

His track record at other previous clubs suggests he is not.

When Sam gave him a job, I think he'd been unemployed for a significant period of time - not exactly hot property despite having a 'hot agent'.

As a coach, he cannot hold a candle to the likes of Steve Clarke in terms of track record, respect in the game etc.

Perhaps someone like Kelbo can give us an insight as to what the 'pros' think.

[den]

IMO, this is a total myth about Kean being a top class coach.

His track record at other previous clubs suggests he is not.

When Sam gave him a job, I think he'd been unemployed for a significant period of time - not exactly hot property despite having a 'hot agent'.

As a coach, he cannot hold a candle to the likes of Steve Clarke in terms of track record, respect in the game etc.

Perhaps someone like Kelbo can give us an insight as to what the 'pros' think.

Top class coach who can improve players, everyone loves him, good transfer window, a run of positive results, team in good form. Makes me wonder why we could be relegated tomorrow. Someone's missing something here.

[alexanders]

One sales/motivation coach once told me that the best way to try and achieve things and motivate yourself/salesteam/players etc for it is to picture it.