[Archived] Steve Kean

[my_name_is_Earl]

I think the players know full well the danger of relegation - read Brett yesterday. However, as we've found on here over the last few months, there are always some who like to say all is doom and gloom and thse who like to be overly positive. All of us in reality know that the situation is precarious, but people just cope with it in different ways. When the players go out tomorrow they will know - win and we are safe. Anything else puts us in danger and takes our fate out of our own hands. However, too much pressure to win can be counter productive and I'm hoping that's why Kean is playing it down. Could just be thick though.

That's very well put Gumboots. Everybody does deal with everything in their own way and in this instance, I think Kean is just trying to relieve some of the pressure on his players. You can't really argue with that.

Bearing Kean's endless optimistic comments in mind, does anybody actually feel as though he is not totally focused, outside of the media spotlight, on the job in hand?

I bet he's so focused that he isn't sleeping at night.

[tony gale's mic]

Kean is probably a good coach, Chelsea wanted him after all.

But that means next to nothing in the world of management.

I don't even think that Wenger or Ferguson would necessarily be that good as backroom staff. Obviously there's overlap but it's quite a different skillset that's needed.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I don't know why you guys are using Salgado as an example, I actually worried if he will cut it next season, 36 will he be, he can't better Blackburn.

and if you expect me to belive that Kean (who I have never heard of until 6 months ago) is going to improve the game of Salgado at 36, probably one of the best right backs in the last 10 years then I would say "I LIKE YOU MAN BUT YOU'RE CRAZY".

Kean: "Ok Michel today I'm going to teach you how to defend"

Salgado: "I have two champions league medal, five La Liga titles, three spanish cup medal, four super cup, one intercontinetal cup medals and and fifty-four Spanish caps, HOW ABOUT NOOOOOOO!"

In any walk of life if you think you already know it all and you've nothing to learn from other people you're a fool.

[tcj_jones]

The West Ham manager search reveals that there are some decent candidates out there, were Kean to get the sack.

Possible runners could be Martin O'Neill (not sure he'd want to make the step down, mind), Alex McLeish, Dave Jones, Alan Curbishley and then some up-and-comers like Chris Hughton and Roberto Di Matteo.

[Roversider]

I hope it's just for the owners sake (pathetic as that is) and on the training ground there is no sign of complacency.

If there was real complacency in the camp that would have been reflected in the last half-dozen games. I don't believe that there is complacency but rather a determined attitude to keep going until the end of the season. We will see by the end of the Wolves game whether that is a correct view but it really is how I feel.

As for Kean and his future beyond this game? Well, I think that he has demonstrated a growing awareness and tactical understanding which was demonstrated against United. He made several mistakes like all managers do and that has been down to changing the style of play of the team. Jermaine Jones is showing that he is worth signing and he is a Kean addition. Santa Cruz? If he is fit and cheap enough maybe, but he would be a gamble albeit we know he can be a top class striker and they are few and far between. He hasn't shown that yet except in thebriefest of instances - jury out on Kean's choice there but most of us would have had Roque back. Rochina and Formica are for next season but again I think in Rochina Kean has a gem, Formicva will take longer, new continent, young player. So his additions in a difficult window have strengthened the squad.

He is liked by the owners and that includes his willingness to travel to India monthly. I don't see that as the crime or crawling that others choose to paint it, it is what happens when owners want to be involved, better if the Rao's were based here but that isn't the case at the moment. I'm amazed how some people spin anything around to the negative if they have already decided and some people decided the day he was announced as manager.

Does he have the support of the team? If the commitment on the pitch and the comments of several senior players are to be used as evidence I believe that he has.

Has he helped develop some of our younger players? Arguably Phil Jones was already a top young player showing his ability but I think Junior Hoillet has shone in the system used by Kean. Try has he might he never managed that under Allardyce. We've also seen the emergence of Grant Hanley.

Whilst his press conferences often emphasise the positive and ignore the negative (sometimes making you feel he is oblivious to any problems) he at least is willing to make himself available more than Sam did. Radio Lancashire never got the previous three managers into the studio on Darwen Street but Kean has been down (admittedly chaperoned and closely observed by Paul Agnew).

He is brutally inexperienced as a manager, that is the risk of appointing a man who has not had that role before. He also has the challenge of moving from coach to manager in the same club which is a difficult transition. Given time he may well prove to be a good manager, are we willing to give that or is there a better alternative around the corner?

Finally, he made a big mistake if he is guilty of drink-driving, he hasn't been to court yet so he isn't guilty yet.

So we wait on the end of the season and hopefully planning for another Premiership campaign. Then there needs to be a decision by the owners as to whether Steve Kean remains as manager or there is a change, the opportunity is soon after the season closes. If he is in the role come August he will at least have the opportunity all managers ask for and that is a close season to strengthen and change the team.

[Mercer]

Kean is probably a good coach, Chelsea wanted him after all. I think a factor in that was his linguistic skills in order to help Scolari settle-in as Scolari's command of the English language was pretty poor.

But that means next to nothing in the world of management.

I don't even think that Wenger or Ferguson would necessarily be that good as backroom staff. Obviously there's overlap but it's quite a different skillset that's needed.

[Mc Love]

Kean says in the mirror there isnt a hope he is getting sacked!

[Mercer]

Kean says in the mirror there isnt a hope he is getting sacked!

Even if relegated!

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-manager-Steve-Kean-claims-he-will-not-be-sacked-even-if-he-fails-to-save-them-from-relegation-on-Squeaky-Bum-Sunday-article738639.html

If this guy stays, my season ticket cards are through the shredder.

[imy9]

IMO, this is a total myth about Kean being a top class coach.

His track record at other previous clubs suggests he is not.

When Sam gave him a job, I think he'd been unemployed for a significant period of time - not exactly hot property despite having a 'hot agent'.

As a coach, he cannot hold a candle to the likes of Steve Clarke in terms of track record, respect in the game etc.

Perhaps someone like Kelbo can give us an insight as to what the 'pros' think.

So he can speak a number of languages other coaches do too but why would one of the top clubs in the world want Kean if he was not a top class coach?

Why would Sam 'not let him leave Brockhall without signing a contract,?

Why did at least one SPL club offer Kean a job in the summer in the summer if his reputation was anything but good?

By shredding your season ticket if Kean stays how are you any different to people who stayed away because of Sam?

[Amo]

If this guy stays, my season ticket cards are through the shredder.

Does that mean you'll be spending more time on here?

[tony gale's mic]

By shredding your season ticket if Kean stays how are you any different to people who stayed away because of Sam?

I don't agree with him, if I could go every game rather than once a month or so then I would do no matter who was manager.

But Sam was a good manager who was rightly being retained in his job, and Kean is a poor manager who is being mysteriously kept in his job by our idiot owners.

That's the difference.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Not like you to spin a statement TGM, im shocked.

[cn174]

"We never spoke about that (relegation) at all, we spoke about me being charge of the club for the remainder of my contract and beyond."

What a horrid quote

[Mattyblue]

Say what you want about Kean, bit by god he's a shrewd operator/manipulator.

[tony gale's mic]

Not like you to spin a statement TGM, im shocked.

Not like you to post idiotic unqualified statements either.

If you can explain exactly which statement I'm spinning and how I'm spinning it, then by all means do so.

[Mercer]

So he can speak a number of languages other coaches do too but why would one of the top clubs in the world want Kean if he was not a top class coach? So why did Kean not go to Chelsea ? Perhaps he realised that the 'real' role was to hold Scolari's hand in those initial early days whilst he established a grasp of English.

Why would Sam 'not let him leave Brockhall without signing a contract,? Sam needed another backroom man and let's not kid ourselves, Sam and Macca called most of the shots in terms of tactics, coaching, training. Therefore, for what was needed and what the cost would be (bear in mind that Kean was unemployed and had been for a while and was in no real position to demand 'big' money), Kean fit the bill.

Why did at least one SPL club offer Kean a job in the summer in the summer if his reputation was anything but good? SPL is a totally different market with standards and demands. For example, look at three managers with mixed records in England but who found jobs in Scotland and have done well in recent times in Scotland (Brown, McGhee, McCall).

By shredding your season ticket if Kean stays how are you any different to people who stayed away because of Sam? Firstly, it's more than one ticket as I have a number for various reasons. Perhaps I am not different but that is reality. I have a very, very poor opinion of Kean as both a person and a manager. If shoppers don't like for example Tesco because of their product, principles or corportate social responsibility, then they exercise their right not to shop there. Sadly, I know of others who feel exactly the same.

[chris]

Say what you want about Kean, bit by god he's a shrewd operator/manipulator.

lets be honest, he would NEVER get away with this if the owners were not as dumb as s**t

They may do some good for Blackburn, buts they are clueless.

Our history of hiring coaches is shocking and they even completely ingored the chairman to hire Kean.

It's insane.

Anyone with half a brain would see through Steve Kean.

But the forneign owners are probably very trusting and like being told positive things no matter how unrealistic.

They don't know what is real.

[thenodrog]

Steve Kean has said at his pre-match press conference that after the talks in India this week, he will have a healthy transfer budget, targeting a top 10 finish in the Premier League.

Crikey thats a bit of a come down!!!

Notwithstanding that he appears to be taking a rather devastating possibility for granted.

[Roversider]

lets be honest, he would NEVER get away with this if the owners were not as dumb as s**t

These are the same people who run a large and very successful business?

They have made some mistakes but the friends in the media that Sam Allardyce had have been determined to amplify them come what may. Your statement says more about your views rather than an informed judgement on the owners.

As for Kean, I am not so blinkered as to say get rid, this isn't the same situation as Paul Ince - different owners then though. I wasn't in favour of sacking Sam or in appointing Kean but I am moving towards a pro-Kean position. Probably bloody-mindedness on my part after seeing the bias against him and the owners whatever they do.

Personally, I'm more concerned to see a win at Wolves.

[thenodrog]

You may find it was broke Jim, lets wait and see should we....

Care to explain further Gav?

[cn174]

Personally, I'm more concerned to see a win at Wolves.

As should Kean fully be, not nipping over to India to discuss his contract or plans for next season!

[thenodrog]

Although i agree, we have gone backwards, i find it difficult to see that we would have made any progress under Allardyce. Somewhere in between 10th - 14th is where i would expect us to finish most seasons with him around, but i didnt see much in the way of progression under him.

Maybe we have to take 1 step back to take 2 forward.

The absolute best finish we can hope for is 5 places lower and seven points worse! Sorry davul but ours and Boltons records under him suggests rather better.

[chris]

These are the same people who run a large and very successful business?

They have made some mistakes but the friends in the media that Sam Allardyce had have been determined to amplify them come what may. Your statement says more about your views rather than an informed judgement on the owners.

Hmm my view or a national view hey?

What do you think Redknapp or Alex Ferguson would say about them?

I can remember an interview directly after the sacking where one of the brothers said we "had a a beautiful team that should be at least top 7". This kind of rubbish brings me to that statement.

Running and football club and running a chicken feed company they inherited in India are very different.

Kean can win one game in 15, he can probably get relegated and still they would not know much better then to believe him because they pretty naive and know little about football.

Don;t get me wrong I'll be happy if they spend loads of money, but I don;t think they have shown themselves to be intelligent.

I don't dislike them either I just think they are dam naive, and that Kean has taken advantage of this, like I probably would in the same position.

[47er]

These are the same people who run a large and very successful business?

They have made some mistakes but the friends in the media that Sam Allardyce had have been determined to amplify them come what may. Your statement says more about your views rather than an informed judgement on the owners.

As for Kean, I am not so blinkered as to say get rid, this isn't the same situation as Paul Ince - different owners then though. I wasn't in favour of sacking Sam or in appointing Kean but I am moving towards a pro-Kean position. Probably bloody-mindedness on my part after seeing the bias against him and the owners whatever they do.

Personally, I'm more concerned to see a win at Wolves.

They run a very large and successful chicken business. Its something they know about. They know nothing about English football. In their situation that wouldn't be such a problem if they took the best advice and kept to the background till they did learn about it.

And this isn't the same as the Paul Ince era------Kean's record is worse!!!!!!

These are the same people who run a large and very successful business?

They have made some mistakes but the friends in the media that Sam Allardyce had have been determined to amplify them come what may. Your statement says more about your views rather than an informed judgement on the owners.

As for Kean, I am not so blinkered as to say get rid, this isn't the same situation as Paul Ince - different owners then though. I wasn't in favour of sacking Sam or in appointing Kean but I am moving towards a pro-Kean position. Probably bloody-mindedness on my part after seeing the bias against him and the owners whatever they do.

Personally, I'm more concerned to see a win at Wolves.

They run a very large and successful chicken business. Its something they know about. They know nothing about English football. In their situation that wouldn't be such a problem if they took the best advice and kept to the background till they did learn about it.

Aa for Ince -----their records are pretty similar!

[imy9]

Mercerman- the simplest answer is usually the correct one- Occam's Razor.

You have stated a number of assertions about what happened when its pure conjecture! Simple answer is that Chelsea wanted Kean because they felt he was a top class coach, Kean turned it down as he wanted to show loyalty to Coventry (his words), he then was wanted by Sam who spoke glowingly about him (nothing to do with him being a SEM double agent).

Also when you said: "Kean was unemployed" You mean he was not a first team coach/Assistant manager for a football club? I am sure he has been running seminars at various football events- amazing that a guy with no Pro License trains others

Now you compare supporting Blackburn Rovers to having an affinity with Tesco? My love for Rovers goes deeper than what special offers my club will offer to me, I suppose Dingles dont have the same feeling for their club as Rovers fans do.