[Archived] Steve Kean

[tony gale's mic]

We'll see.

But im pretty confident that if he takes the form from the last few games of the season into next season, everything will be just fine.

I don't necessarily think sacking the manager after the last few games will have quite the effect that you are looking for.

I didn't want a rookie in charge, but hes not a rookie anymore. He got results when it mattered. If he is bad manager and it's all down to the players, you would expect them to come out now and say so. I doubt that they will.

If he takes the form of the last 4 games of the season, we'll be almost champions.

That's clearly not going to happen.

West Ham got 8 points from 4 games in December. I don't really think 4 games is enough to make an accurate judgement.

22 points from 21 games is though.

If we spend a fair amount of money over summer I should imagine we ought to beat the drop, but then I want us achieving our potential.

If we don't spend that much money and/or make bad signings, we'll be sucked into another relegation fight based on his tenure in charge so far. If that's all you aspire to as a Rovers fan, then fair enough.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Ask yourself these questions before being happy to continue with Kean next season..

Are you confident we will stay up next season with Kean?

My confidence lies with the quality of our players. If we keep our best players then yes.

Do you think Kean has the confidence and respect of the majority of the current squad?

On the basis of the past month, yes. No doubt.

Are you happy with Keans relationship with the owners?

A good realtionship? Well yes obviously

Do you think Kean will attract or select players that are quality players or have commitment to the club?

In January he brought in J.Jones, Rochina and Formica. Im happy with all of those so on that basis, yes.

Has he made a substitution that has affected the game yet?

I dont know how this is a valid question. Probably yes? I'd say the lack of depth in our squad is a bigger issue. Give him decent subs to bring on and then see if they make a difference. I thought Pedersen looked good against West Ham.

Have our tactics been much different than Allardyces?

Yes. Since mid March I have been happier with Kean's tactics, formation and selection in general.

If you were a fan of a club in a simialar position as us would you want us to continue with Kean or employ a more experienced better quality man?

Kean deserves a chance. He got us into the mess but got us out. We're playing decent football with a decent shape and players playing in their proper positions. Given investment - a proper striker for example, then I dont see why he shouldnt keep going for now. Id give him until November.

Can we afford the chauffeur?

[BuckyRover]

If he takes the form of the last 4 games of the season, we'll be almost champions.

That's clearly not going to happen.

West Ham got 8 points from 4 games in December. I don't really think 4 games is enough to make an accurate judgement.

22 points from 21 games is though.

If we spend a fair amount of money over summer I should imagine we ought to beat the drop, but then I want us achieving our potential.

If we don't spend that much money and/or make bad signings, we'll be sucked into another relegation fight based on his tenure in charge so far. If that's all you aspire to as a Rovers fan, then fair enough.

Do you think it's fair to extrapolate using games when he had just taken over?

He had never managed before FFS. Give him a break.

I'm not basing it on statistics. I'm basing it on what I have seen with my eyes. There is no crisis.

[Kamy100]

Kamy as you are in the know (well more than the vast majority of us), I was just wondering would a protest against the manager force their hand or is there no chance of him going? Could it be the case that the owners really don't know how despised the man is/how he isn't supported by the vast majority of the fans? There has been no rally's, protests, Kean out banners etc. They might not have a clue about what the fans feel about him.

I don't think protests have any effect on the Venky's decision making process, mainly because they are in Pune and wouldn't feel the pressure from the fans. The only thing that they have been consistent about is their faith in Steve Kean, I talked to Venky's PR this evening and they insist that Kean retains the backing of the owners. Of course they could be lying but that seems very very unlikely, Kean is totally and utterly convinced that he is not going to be sacked.

[cruz]

When was the last time a manager with such an abysmal record, allowed to keep his job, circumstances dictate games at times and today nerves played a huge part in the game, Wolves had almost 70% possession and could at least have drawn if not won, a game is played over 90 minutes and each game we see us capitulate in the second half, I wonder what the reason for that is.

We have stayed up but have the clown next year, lets watch the season ticket sales take a dive, and since you think you are correct, perhaps you could answer why over 80% of supporters think differently to you?

Blah blah blah. 70% possession? Why let facts get in the way of a good arguement

[tony gale's mic]

Do you think it's fair to extrapolate using games when he had just taken over?

He had never managed before FFS. Give him a break.

I'm not basing it on statistics. I'm basing it on what I have seen with my eyes. There is no crisis.

Actually, considering three of his five wins came in the first two months after he took over, we could always exclude those from the calculations?

Results aren't just "statistics". They're the fundamental way by which a manager is judged.

[BuckyRover]

Actually, considering three of his five wins came in the first two months after he took over, we could always exclude those from the calculations?

Results aren't just "statistics". They're the fundamental way by which a manager is judged.

I see.

So Hughes should have been fired by Fulham (thanks imy)?

new inexperienced managers should be judged by the same criteria as established ones?

We had a terrible run, he got us out of it, the players played for and celebrated with Kean.

They evidently enjoy playing for him. I don't think they would like another manager pulled from under their feet.

[cruz]

Were they all running to him saying "new contract this summer Boss?"

[yeti-dog]

Actually, considering three of his five wins came in the first two months after he took over, we could always exclude those from the calculations?

Results aren't just "statistics". They're the fundamental way by which a manager is judged.

I have never been so bored in my life as when I'm listening to your stuck record. Sam has gone,please,please get over it...

[tony gale's mic]

I see.

So Hughes should have been fired by Fulham (thanks imy)?

new inexperienced managers should be judged by the same criteria as established ones?

We had a terrible run, he got us out of it, the players played for and celebrated with Kean.

They evidently enjoy playing for him. I don't think they would like another manager pulled from under their feet.

In your crazy world, the players celebrating Kean automatically means they wouldn't welcome a more experienced, capable manager at the helm.

Get real.

The players are professionals. Celebrating with your manager is the normal thing to do, it isn't some kind of show of solidarity. If they didnt include the manager in their celebrations, it'd make much more of a statement. I don't think they're actively campaigning for Kean to leave, but similarly I think they'd be pleased if we brought in someone better equipped.

For every one example of a good manager unperforming like Hughes did early on (remember his strikers were both long term injured early on in the season), I can find plenty more examples which disprove your point. I bet West Ham regret not sacking Grant. I bet West Brom are glad they replaced Di Matteo. I bet Liverpool are pleased they replaced Hodgson...etc etc.

Most amusingly, you're the same man who advocated getting rid of Allardyce. How you can be pro sacking the manager in that instance, and anti sacking the manager in this instance totally baffles me.

I have never been so bored in my life as when I'm listening to your stuck record. Sam has gone,please,please get over it...

That post didn't mention Sam once, you complete troglodyte.

[Stuart]

Reading some of these threads now, it already feels like history is starting to be re-written.

We survived on the final day of the season - even if we'd lost, we'd still have survived.

The reason for this is the choice of manager made by Venky's.

Let's not kid ourselves despite this late rally - by the players - our manager wasn't good enough to lead us yesterday and that remains the case today.

Trouble is, who else could we get. As ruthless as it sounds, I imagine that will be down to how much money we have to spend.

Sadly, I think our owners will persevere. I just hope that he is the next Brian Clough rather than the next Gareth Southgate - and I am forced to eat my words.

[Majiball]

Sack him he's about as much use as a tissue paper umbrella

[Tom]

Keans positives and negatives so far:

Postives

Got the best out of Junior and Olsson (who looked good before as well)

Has us playing some nice stuff

Set up perfectly against the big teams

Decent record away at our rivals

The signing of Jones was inspired (although how much credit he gets for that I am unsure)

Negatives

Dropped too many points against close rivals at home

Substitutions have been a bit dodgy

The decision to bring RSC in failed

The 'nice stuff' he has us playing has been the wrong option at times and has cost us on occasion

All being said I think he is learning as has reverted to a more direct style at times.

For me he still has to go but at least he can go with less anger between us, in fairness we have started playing some really good stuff recently and I believe Kean will make a decent manager yet but it's too big a job for him at the current moment I believe.

If he stays I wont be quite as angry as I expected but I feel we could be better with others.

[Ferrit]

Like it or not the boy done good over the last 9 games. And the players love him. Perspective.

Over the last 9 games? REALLY? You may have a point if you changed that to the last 4, but before that;

Blackpool home - draw (awful)

Arsenal away - draw (great result)

Birmingham home - draw (awful)

Everton away - lost (arguably the worst performance of the season, bar Stoke at home)

Man City home - lost (unlucky)

3 points out of 15, with 2 home hames against relegation rivals, i'd hardly say that he "done good"

[Exiled in Toronto]

If he takes the form of the last 4 games of the season, we'll be almost champions.

That's clearly not going to happen.

West Ham got 8 points from 4 games in December. I don't really think 4 games is enough to make an accurate judgement.

22 points from 21 games is though.

If we spend a fair amount of money over summer I should imagine we ought to beat the drop, but then I want us achieving our potential.

If we don't spend that much money and/or make bad signings, we'll be sucked into another relegation fight based on his tenure in charge so far. If that's all you aspire to as a Rovers fan, then fair enough.

Interesting that for Kean we must look at the full picture and include any settling in period for a rookie, but for Nico, you were happy to ignore his first one and a half seasons because he was a rookine settling in, and keep trumpeting 4 in 6 games. Of course, his 7 in 44 games is the yardstick that will be used, thank goodness.

Anyway, back to your man-crush on Sam...

[Majiball]

Ask yourself these questions before being happy to continue with Kean next season..

Are you confident we will stay up next season with Kean?

Well considering skin of our teeth describes this season, no, not a chance in hell.

Do you think Kean has the confidence and respect of the majority of the current squad?

No, they ignore his orders from the touchline.

Are you happy with Keans relationship with the owners?

As long as his wife doesn't mind why should I?????

Do you think Kean will attract or select players that are quality players or have commitment to the club?

Will Junior sign????

Has he made a substitution that has affected the game yet?

Yes most definitly, just not in the way we'd all hope.

Have our tactics been much different than Allardyces?

Yes, but just as Sam we have no plan B.

If you were a fan of a club in a simialar position as us would you want us to continue with Kean or employ a more experienced better quality man?

I think giving rookies chances in this league is suicide, earn it.

Can we afford the chauffeur?

We can afford a lot more than a chauffer, a lot more. But would you trust doughnut boy and agent orange with it???

The same manager who knew full well that Wolves in the second half would throw the kitchen sink at us,push us back, then took off an outlet for counter attack and the only defensive option if an injury occurred to a defender???

And thats optimism? the substitutions almost snatched a draw out of a guaranteed victory!!!

He's too slow to change things. MGP was about 10 minutes too late today and whatever the hell we do at half-time must change, NOW.

I'm with you 100% Kelbo, lets all praise the man who got us in this situation for getting us out of it.

Kamy as you are in the know (well more than the vast majority of us), I was just wondering would a protest against the manager force their hand or is there no chance of him going? Could it be the case that the owners really don't know how despised the man is/how he isn't supported by the vast majority of the fans? There has been no rally's, protests, Kean out banners etc. They might not have a clue about what the fans feel about him.

They know exactly how we feel about Kean, they monitor websites. They think they know better or some such, they have become footballing excperts in 6 months.

Do you think it's fair to extrapolate using games when he had just taken over?

He had never managed before FFS. Give him a break.

I'm not basing it on statistics. I'm basing it on what I have seen with my eyes. There is no crisis.

Your the sort of person who tells the kid who finsihed last to keep at it. I personnally would find him a sport he can do well at and push him down a road he's suited too.

Kean it's time for you to open a dunkin doughnuts in blackburn, it's the job you were born for.

I see.

So Hughes should have been fired by Fulham (thanks imy)?

new inexperienced managers should be judged by the same criteria as established ones?

We had a terrible run, he got us out of it, the players played for and celebrated with Kean.

They evidently enjoy playing for him. I don't think they would like another manager pulled from under their feet.

Is Hughes a new inexperienced manager?

Should rookies get chances at the top table? do they have the ability to do so?

Very rarely and Kean's record shows he's no Mourinho rookie, in fact he be lucky to be compared to Ince.

You don't know the players you've never met them and yet you tell us what they think, lol as always.

I have never been so bored in my life as when I'm listening to your stuck record. Sam has gone,please,please get over it...

Hypocrite, you do exactly the same.

[BuckyRover]

He's too slow to change things. MGP was about 10 minutes too late today and whatever the hell we do at half-time must change, NOW.

I'm with you 100% Kelbo, lets all praise the man who got us in this situation for getting us out of it.

They know exactly how we feel about Kean, they monitor websites. They think they know better or some such, they have become footballing excperts in 6 months.

Your the sort of person who tells the kid who finsihed last to keep at it. I personnally would find him a sport he can do well at and push him down a road he's suited too.

Kean it's time for you to open a dunkin doughnuts in blackburn, it's the job you were born for.

Is Hughes a new inexperienced manager?

Should rookies get chances at the top table? do they have the ability to do so?

Very rarely and Kean's record shows he's no Mourinho rookie, in fact he be lucky to be compared to Ince.

You don't know the players you've never met them and yet you tell us what they think, lol as always.

Hypocrite, you do exactly the same.

Maybe if you had pulled your finger out, you could have been our manager?

[JAL]

I'd be more than happy to see Steve Kean be a number two at Rovers under someone else, he deserves that much. But the club and the fans dont deserve him to be our manager if the club is to move forward under the Venky regime.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

He's too slow to change things. MGP was about 10 minutes too late today and whatever the hell we do at half-time must change, NOW.

I'm with you 100% Kelbo, lets all praise the man who got us in this situation for getting us out of it.

They know exactly how we feel about Kean, they monitor websites. They think they know better or some such, they have become footballing excperts in 6 months.

Your the sort of person who tells the kid who finsihed last to keep at it. I personnally would find him a sport he can do well at and push him down a road he's suited too.

Kean it's time for you to open a dunkin doughnuts in blackburn, it's the job you were born for.

Is Hughes a new inexperienced manager?

Should rookies get chances at the top table? do they have the ability to do so?

Very rarely and Kean's record shows he's no Mourinho rookie, in fact he be lucky to be compared to Ince.

You don't know the players you've never met them and yet you tell us what they think, lol as always.

Hypocrite, you do exactly the same.

We were absolutely superb in the first half. We palyed some excellent football and tore into a side that was fighting for it's life, at home, being roared on by a passionate crowd and in form. Churlish in the extreme to criticise. Sadly, no surprise that some are doing exactly that.

All the signs are that the players like Kean and are playing for him. But then you know that.

I dont want him here as manager next season by the way.

You are clearly gutted (like all those that I have on ignore)

Go and have a lie down.

[sparkspakespoke]

I dread to think whet this thread would of been like if we'd gone down.

Just watching motd and its got me thinking, bad as kean has been at times alex mcleish has been terrible to lead them down.

Settled club no upheaval and backed time and time again in the market, hleb, bentley zigic etc. He has been far worse than keen considering he hasn't had any upheaval to deal with and he has been around for a while now.

[super_arran]

I'd be more than happy to see Steve Kean be a number two at Rovers under someone else, he deserves that much. But the club and the fans dont deserve him to be our manager if the club is to move forward under the Venky regime.

You've shown how much you know about football. Especially when calling J.Jones a mistake signing.

So do us a favour, shhhh!

[Amo]

You've shown how much you know about football. Especially when calling J.Jones a mistake signing.

So do us a favour, shhhh!

Don't forget Hoilett not making it.

[BuckyRover]

I dread to think whet this thread would of been like if we'd gone down.

Just watching motd and its got me thinking, bad as kean has been at times alex mcleish has been terrible to lead them down.

Settled club no upheaval and backed time and time again in the market, hleb, bentley zigic etc. He has been far worse than keen considering he hasn't had any upheaval to deal with and he has been around for a while now.

He's "experienced" ergo better than Kean.

Ancelotti, Benitez etc. I would love a manager of that ilk. But I think they are out of our league.

From the list we will probably be choosing from, I'm not sure who I would want to replace Kean.

Grant?

[JAL]

You've shown how much you know about football. Especially when calling J.Jones a mistake signing.

So do us a favour, shhhh!

Topman's right, but calling J.Jones a mistake signing, dont remember that one, are you sure it was me.

Saw something in J.Jones from the first game he played for us.

[super_arran]

Topman's right, but calling J.Jones a mistake signing, dont remember that one, are you sure it was me.

Saw something in J.Jones from the first game he played for us.

Positive, you called him something like a useless American signing and we should have signed someone else. (it was when you were campaigning for us to sign a different player.)