[Archived] Steve Kean

[Stuart]

You'd have thought that from reading the MB that we were never in danger of going down. Not too difficult to understand i'd have thought.

I'd give up now Paul. Just accept that you're right and move on.

[John]

I think some are getting far too carried away - I would say interesting times ahead.

We still have a manager whose overall results record is still quite poor - also currently have no chairman, no shirt sponsor for next season and no impending deals yet which will provide the club with income against an ever rising wage bill.

I just hope, moving forward, Venky's can try and make logical & timely decisions which are in the best interests of the club.

[cruz]

Wrong they finished 11th, they finished 2nd in his second season and he was on the verge of being sacked , according to the media at the time, dire football not winning etc, but the board stuck with him

FAIL! 2/10 must try harder

Ferguson was appointed manager at Old Trafford on 6 November 1986 and took Utd from 21st to 11th.

In his first full season[/b,] 87/88, they came 2nd

[Gav]

Another season of battling for survival under an inept manager, yeah I can't wait. Who knows it might be even more exciting and we don't beat the drop this time on the final day.

Typical of posts on here these days, I was talking about a bumper transfer budget, if that's not exciting maybe football isn't you thing......

[Silencio]

I'm not sure of Kean as a person and I don't like his links with Miles Anderson but over the last month he has had us playing well in patches and the young players that Sam was already bringing through have continued to improve.

I think we have to assume he is staying and that there is a bit of money to spend. If so, I hope Anderson is away from the business and that Kean approaches things calmly, I think some investment in good backroom staff would help him more than buying loads of players.

I think Jermaine Jones, a good centre forward and a left back would leave Kean with a good first eleven for next season provided he can get Jones, Junior and Samba to stay and get Rochina and Formica ready to play in the Premier League.

He should also be looking to get a few out the door; Dunn, Benjani and Grella would be a decent start...

Still major questions over the structure and management. Who will be negotiating the contracts and transfer deals? Why the hell is Myles Anderson arriving in the summer (no need to reply to this)? Who is going to come in an replace the coaches such as Bowyer and Brunskill who moved up to help Kean? And the main one is, is Kean good enough?

[tony gale's mic]

If my auntie had balls etc...

We were NEVER in danger yesterday.

For what it's worth... Steve Kean has got something about him. I've said it before. To get this level of performance out of this team after the shocking run we were on (I know, I know we should never have been there etc etc...) shows something. We've taken the game to the opposition in quite a few games recently and got points. West Ham away, when was the last time we got anything there btw? A rookie manager with rookie owners is always going to be a recipe for disaster. The truth is it nearly was but it isn't. A full season is how we really judge a manager. It looks like Kean is going to get that and we shall really see what he is made of and how things go.

You're using the West Ham game?! Jesus, you really are clutching at straws.

The run we've been on at West Ham is odd, but going back more than five years on our records against any team is totally irrelevant since managers, teams etc will all have been totally different.

We were desperately clinging on for our lives against a team who were the worst in the league this season. Those are the facts.

First half yesterday - excellent. Man Utd game - very good. Bolton game - pretty good, but anything less than a win against a team with the leagues' worst away record wouldve been diastrous. But there's been far too many errors and bad results before that to still make me think he's going to be much good.

Rather than repeating our mistake from this season, it would make far more sense to get a tried and tested name in. Not finishing top 10 has already cost us at least £4 million this season which could have quite happily paid for a very good managers' wage for at least the next two seasons.

[Exiled in Toronto]

You'd have thought that from reading the MB that we were never in danger of going down. Not too difficult to understand i'd have thought.

So are you suggesting we should include in our views on an event that didn't happen - relegation - and ignore an event that did happen - avoiding relegation?

Wouldn't that be being wise after the non-event?

[47er]

Really JBN?

For starters, Nzonzi was player of the year last season under Allardyce. On top of that, Roberts is Roberts, gives his all every time he's out there, but to suggest he's a better player under Kean is plainly wrong. Very few people on here ever wanted Jason starting games, but to be fair he's a better option than Niko who was seen by many to be "class". Just shows, these are merely opinions that you/me are giving, not facts.

And, most important of all, it was Sam who signed him! Who'd heard of him up to that point?

[CrazyIvan]

You'd have thought that from reading the MB that we were never in danger of going down. Not too difficult to understand i'd have thought.

I was there and, yesterday, we were never in danger of going down. That's not wise after the event. I was there and I experienced the game and saw the goals. That's not wise. It's statement of fact!

You're using the West Ham game?! Jesus, you really are clutching at straws.

The run we've been on at West Ham is odd, but going back more than five years on our records against any team is totally irrelevant since managers, teams etc will all have been totally different.

We were desperately clinging on for our lives against a team who were the worst in the league this season. Those are the facts.

First half yesterday - excellent. Man Utd game - very good. Bolton game - pretty good, but anything less than a win against a team with the leagues' worst away record wouldve been diastrous. But there's been far too many errors and bad results before that to still make me think he's going to be much good.

Rather than repeating our mistake from this season, it would make far more sense to get a tried and tested name in. Not finishing top 10 has already cost us at least £4 million this season which could have quite happily paid for a very good managers' wage for at least the next two seasons.

I'm not arguing with you because you'll just resort to insults and I can't be bothered.

[cruz]

Grow up. We could easily gone down.

But we didn't and we were, thankfuly, NEVER in real danger in the end despite all our worries. Except by an unlikely 4 goal swing that is.

[tony gale's mic]

I mentioned yesterday that the glass half full brigade certainly have cause for optimism. Some of the football in patches has been great to see, and the dealings on the transfer Market has had a major impact on us stating up.

If Steve Kean stays we can hold on to that.

Wanting Steve Kean out doesn't mean you're in the glass half empty brigade.

I think IF we get rid of the manager, we've got some real quality in our squad and might really reach our potential next season. The future could be really bright, it's just potentially one decision away.

That doesn't class as a negative viewpoint, surely?

And "some of the transfer dealings" should really have been "the signing of Jermaine Jones". Rocinha has showed potential but contributed nothing to us staying up. RSC ditto. Formica obviously didnt even get a minute.

[Gav]

Wanting Steve Kean out doesn't mean you're in the glass half empty brigade.

I think IF we get rid of the manager, we've got some real quality in our squad and might really reach our potential next season. The future could be really bright, it's just potentially one decision away.

That doesn't class as a negative viewpoint, surely?

And "some of the transfer dealings" should really have been "the signing of Jermaine Jones". Rocinha has showed potential but contributed nothing to us staying up. RSC ditto. Formica obviously didnt even get a minute

My point is more aimed at Kean staying really TGM. I was putting forward reasons to be optimistic if that should happen.

I want him replaced, but if he stays I'll not be too down hearted.

He's unsackable now more so than ever for me.

[Ste B]

Added a new poll. You can see who has voted what this time as well

[tony gale's mic]

I'm not arguing with you because you'll just resort to insults and I can't be bothered.

I think that's a bit more accurate.

[bob fleming]

But why is Ryan's hand in Kean's inside jacket pocket?

Trying to find his car keys?

[CrazyIvan]

I think that's a bit more accurate.

...and to prove my point...

[tony gale's mic]

...and to prove my point...

No actually, I tried to engage in proper football discussion with you.

I have never "resorted" to insults.

I have, however, slipped some fairly mild words like "idiot" in with actual footballing debate.

There's a marked difference. Not sure if you'll get it though.

[Ste B]

No actually, I tried to engage in proper football discussion with you.

I have never "resorted" to insults.

I have, however, slipped some fairly mild words like "idiot" in with actual footballing debate.

There's a marked difference. Not sure if you'll get it though.

You have actually - hence the repeated warnings. Consider this a further one.

[tony gale's mic]

You have actually - hence the repeated warnings. Consider this a further one.

So this warning is for trying to engage in footballing discussion with someone?

Thanks Ste!

[sparkspakespoke]

You're using the West Ham game?! Jesus, you really are clutching at straws.

The run we've been on at West Ham is odd, but going back more than five years on our records against any team is totally irrelevant since managers, teams etc will all have been totally different.

We were desperately clinging on for our lives against a team who were the worst in the league this season. Those are the facts.

First half yesterday - excellent. Man Utd game - very good. Bolton game - pretty good, but anything less than a win against a team with the leagues' worst away record wouldve been diastrous. But there's been far too many errors and bad results before that to still make me think he's going to be much good.

Rather than repeating our mistake from this season, it would make far more sense to get a tried and tested name in. Not finishing top 10 has already cost us at least £4 million this season which could have quite happily paid for a very good managers' wage for at least the next two seasons.

I dont agree with this assumption that we would of finished top ten under Sam. Yes we did last year but the league is much tighter this year.

We were 15th we he went, and I dont think we would have finished that much higher. Last year much was dwn to Dunn's Indian summer, where would we have been without his ten odd league goals? Sam would have had the same big problem Keen has had, scoring goals. We know Sams plan was also to bring in Santa so I cant see he would have solved the issue any better.

I do think we would have been safe sooner under Sam but I dont think we would have been in the top half of the table.

[cruz]

So this warning is for trying to engage in footballing discussion with someone?

Thanks Ste!

Big red hand print on your left leg Tony?

[CrazyIvan]

No actually, I tried to engage in proper football discussion with you.

I have never "resorted" to insults.

I have, however, slipped some fairly mild words like "idiot" in with actual footballing debate.

There's a marked difference. Not sure if you'll get it though.

Ok then, if you are not going to resort to insults....

The West Ham game was not a clutch at straws. It was a comment on how we haven't got much of anything there for years and, yes, that is including all those other different players and managers. They always seemed to beat us, in fact I think we were quite often the first win on a good run for West Ham that usually dug them out of trouble! This is nothing to do with the Steve Kean argument btw. It's just a comment on our record against West Ham in general.

My point is this, this team was going down (and no, it should not have been that way) but Steve Kean has turned things around and we have remained a Premier League side. That is why I think he has something about him to be a decent manager. I was completely unconvinced about him, leaning much more to 'this guy is going to get us relegated' during the poor run, but he hasn't and that is down to him and these players playing for him. We shall see next season if he has got that special something to be a decent manager. If Venky's replace him with someone else, the rebuilding process will start all over again. Would Junior still be a regular starter or seen as a luxury? The fact remains that Steve Kean is manager of Rovers and will be until he's sacked or he leaves so debating this is a moot point anway.

[tony gale's mic]

I dont agree with this assumption that we would of finished top ten under Sam. Yes we did last year but the league is much tighter this year.

We were 15th we he went, and I dont think we would have finished that much higher. Last year much was dwn to Dunn's Indian summer, where would we have been without his ten odd league goals? Sam would have had the same big problem Keen has had, scoring goals. We know Sams plan was also to bring in Santa so I cant see he would have solved the issue any better.

I do think we would have been safe sooner under Sam but I dont think we would have been in the top half of the table.

We were two points off 7th aswell, using our league position at that point is a fallacy since it doesnt highlight how tight the league was at that point. Our points to games over the first 17 games alone wouldve had us 10th - a more accurate representation dont you think? An extra 6 points this season wouldve had us 8th/9th depending on goal difference - do you honestly think we couldnt have picked up an extra six points this season had Sam been at the helm?

Sam wouldve had the budget that Kean had to spend too - although JJ was a very good acquisition the £3.5 million spent on Formica would probably have been spent on someone who couldve made more of an immediate difference for example. Dunn might have scored goals last season but quite a few came from the penalty spot - we still managed perfectly fine.

I was always against the signing of RSC even when Sam was in charge. But that wasnt the primary issue with Kean in charge.

[mhead]

Even on a day for reflection and relaxation you are squabbling on this MB. Rejoice with the 3,000 who actually went.

You are spoiling the happiness quotient.

[tony gale's mic]

Ok then, if you are not going to resort to insults....

The West Ham game was not a clutch at straws. It was a comment on how we haven't got much of anything there for years and, yes, that is including all those other different players and managers. They always seemed to beat us, in fact I think we were quite often the first win on a good run for West Ham that usually dug them out of trouble! This is nothing to do with the Steve Kean argument btw. It's just a comment on our record against West Ham in general.

My point is this, this team was going down (and no, it should not have been that way) but Steve Kean has turned things around and we have remained a Premier League side. That is why I think he has something about him to be a decent manager. I was completely unconvinced about him, leaning much more to 'this guy is going to get us relegated' during the poor run, but he hasn't and that is down to him and these players playing for him. We shall see next season if he has got that special something to be a decent manager. If Venky's replace him with someone else, the rebuilding process will start all over again. Would Junior still be a regular starter or seen as a luxury? The fact remains that Steve Kean is manager of Rovers and will be until he's sacked or he leaves so debating this is a moot point anway.

I know, but our past record against West Ham doesnt make a point there any more impressive. A much more salient point is that they were the bottom side in the league. I'm not saying we wouldve definitely won that game under the last manager - although I think we wouldnt have seen the same second half collapse that's been customary of Kean's reign.

I'm not ruling out Kean making something of himself in management. But even under Ince we got one or two good results. If he's given a sizeable transfer fund then I wouldnt even say relegation is nailed on. But if he stays as manager next season, we won't come close to reaching our potential. If we start spending big, I'd hate us to be, for example, like Sunderland even if it does mean we stay in the league.

Even on a day for reflection and relaxation you are squabbling on this MB. Rejoice with the 3,000 who actually went.

You are spoiling the happiness quotient.

I thought Sundays were days for relaxation?

Kind of hard to rejoice with all but a few dozen of those 3,000.

Thanks anyway.