[Archived] Steve Kean

[sparkspakespoke]

We were two points off 7th aswell, using our league position at that point is a fallacy since it doesnt highlight how tight the league was at that point. Our points to games over the first 17 games alone wouldve had us 10th - a more accurate representation dont you think? An extra 6 points this season wouldve had us 8th/9th depending on goal difference - do you honestly think we couldnt have picked up an extra six points this season had Sam been at the helm?

Sam wouldve had the budget that Kean had to spend too - although JJ was a very good acquisition the £3.5 million spent on Formica would probably have been spent on someone who couldve made more of an immediate difference for example. Dunn might have scored goals last season but quite a few came from the penalty spot - we still managed perfectly fine.

I was always against the signing of RSC even when Sam was in charge. But that wasnt the primary issue with Kean in charge.

I dont actually, if your going to use the posibility that Sam would have spent the budget better then you need to factor in the possibily of injury as well.

Phil Jones was a huge loss for Keen and the injury could have happened just as easily if Sam had been boss. Its not coincidence we have picked up more points since Jones has been back. I think without him we would have struggled under Sam as well.

[Amo]

There's no guarantee we would have finished 10th under Big Sam. You can extrapolate as much data as you want. Last season, Sam went through a run of 5pts from 30. There was even talk of him being sacked after such rotten form. It goes to show that nothing can be taken for granted across the campaign. Of course, that's one of the benefits of Sam being sacked now. People can make all kinds of bold claims despite lacking definitive proof to back them up.

You also talk with some authority that he would have spent Venky's money more prudently, despite his transfer record being spotty here at best.

[tony gale's mic]

There's no guarantee we would have finished 10th under Big Sam. You can extrapolate as much data as you want. Last season, Sam went through a run of 5pts from 30. There was even talk of him being sacked after such rotten form. It goes to show that nothing can be taken for granted across the campaign. Of course, that's one of the benefits of Sam being sacked now. People can make all kinds of bold claims despite lacking definitive proof to back them up.

You also talk with some authority that he would have spent Venky's money more prudently, despite his transfer record being spotty here at best.

Not guaranteed, but very likely. You only need to look at his career record and his record over the last two years managing Rovers for that. It's not hard to claim that he couldve at least maintained his form over the previous two years into the following six months. That's not a bold claim, is it? Of course we could have gone on a poor run, just as easily as we could have gone on an particularly good run.

Even if Sam had bought the exact same players Kean had, the addition of JJ wouldve given extra steel into the midfield where we needed it. But the other three signings havent contributed very much at all to us staying up, and whilst Rocinha has showed potential, he still hasnt had anything to do with our final position. Talking about what players he might have signed is a lot more speculative, but I think there's every chance he would have spent the bulk of the transfer fee on someone who actually made it onto the pitch. Again, not a particularly bold claim.

[Ferrit]

"Go"

[tony gale's mic]

I dont actually, if your going to use the posibility that Sam would have spent the budget better then you need to factor in the possibily of injury as well.

Phil Jones was a huge loss for Keen and the injury could have happened just as easily if Sam had been boss. Its not coincidence we have picked up more points since Jones has been back. I think without him we would have struggled under Sam as well.

Losing Jones was a big loss but having JJ in midfield arguably made up for that.

The transfer budget is a side issue. That is a lot more speculative. But the last manager was fundamentally better at putting points on the board, as the evidence shows.

[John]

As predicted, Jensen has just agreed a new deal....

[Amo]

Surely the poll depends on who replaces him?

What if we sacked him and hired Alan Curbishley? You know what, I'd rather stick with Kean.

[JAL]

Not entirely true - J Jones has been an inspirational signing and Olsson, Hoilett, Nzonzi, Roberts and Emerton put in big performances under Kean that they has not been doing for Sam.

Joey the lads above with the exception of J. Jones were here at the club. Olsson and N'Zonzi werent available during the first part of the season under Sam and Roberts played all season like he did in his first game through to his last.

The players at the club pulled Kean through luckily for him. You allow Kean to bring in his own players and the club would sink faster than the titanic because he isnt upto this level and never has been, coaching is his forte.

[Majiball]

As predicted, Jensen has just agreed a new deal....

Where did you read that John?

[Stevo]

Surely the poll depends on who replaces him?

What if we sacked him and hired Alan Curbishley? You know what, I'd rather stick with Kean.

Exactly. I voted 'don't care' - even though that's not completely true. I do care obviously, but unless it's a top quality, proven manager then I'd rather keep Kean.

One of the main reasons that people have been putting forward for getting a new guy in, is that we have a great nucleus of young talent at the club. For me, this is one of the key reasons as to why Kean should probably stay. He has arguably got the best out of these youngsters and is willing to play them, in their right positions, ahead of more senior players. For these players to carry on developing at their full potential, Kean might well be the key.

[CrazyIvan]

Exactly. I voted 'don't care' - even though that's not completely true. I do care obviously, but unless it's a top quality, proven manager then I'd rather keep Kean.

One of the main reasons that people have been putting forward for getting a new guy in, is that we have a great nucleus of young talent at the club. For me, this is one of the key reasons as to why Kean should probably stay. He has arguably got the best out of these youngsters and is willing to play them, in their right positions, ahead of more senior players. For these players to carry on developing at their full potential, Kean might well be the key.

I agree with the second part and that's why I voted stay. He has done something that Hughes and Allardyce were both reluctant to do and that is play the kids regularly. That was probably my only real criticism of Hughes, the lack of bringing in youngsters. It might have something to do with the quality coming out of the Academy but some opportunities were missed.

[Amo]

I agree with the second part and that's why I voted stay. He has done something that Hughes and Allardyce were both reluctant to do and that is play the kids regularly. That was probably my only real criticism of Hughes, the lack of bringing in youngsters. It might have something to do with the quality coming out of the Academy but some opportunities were missed.

When Sam was sacked, I'm sure Mrs. Desai came out on radio and said that they envisioned a manager who would help encourage and promote younger players. That would certainly align with what Kean has shown so far.

[tony gale's mic]

Surely the poll depends on who replaces him?

What if we sacked him and hired Alan Curbishley? You know what, I'd rather stick with Kean.

That's the same Curbishley who saved West Ham from the drop, got them to a top 10 finish the next season and did very well with Charlton?

He might not be a big name, but I'd much sooner have him over Kean.

[davulsukur]

Not guaranteed, but very likely. You only need to look at his career record and his record over the last two years managing Rovers for that. It's not hard to claim that he couldve at least maintained his form over the previous two years into the following six months. That's not a bold claim, is it? Of course we could have gone on a poor run, just as easily as we could have gone on an particularly good run.

Even if Sam had bought the exact same players Kean had, the addition of JJ wouldve given extra steel into the midfield where we needed it. But the other three signings havent contributed very much at all to us staying up, and whilst Rocinha has showed potential, he still hasnt had anything to do with our final position. Talking about what players he might have signed is a lot more speculative, but I think there's every chance he would have spent the bulk of the transfer fee on someone who actually made it onto the pitch. Again, not a particularly bold claim.

Its also not beyond the realms of possibility that Sam could have taken us down. I think we have had this conversation before however...?

Its a fair claim that Allardyce picked and chose the games he went out to win, with the league being so tight it could have easily backfired and seen us in real trouble.

Also signing players to make an impact straight away? Like Kalanic, signed instead of RVN because he would make an instant impact, who was then not ready for 6 months.

[RibbleValleyRover]

That's the same Curbishley who saved West Ham from the drop, got them to a top 10 finish the next season and did very well with Charlton?

He might not be a big name, but I'd much sooner have him over Kean.

I would have to agree with that, Curbishley has achieved far more than Kean has and likely ever will if this season is anything to go by.

With Jensen signing a new deal it looks like Kean is staying but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

[Majiball]

Also signing players to make an impact straight away? Like Kalanic, signed instead of RVN because he would make an instant impact, who was then not ready for 6 months.

When were we in the position of choosing between RVN and Kalinic???

[ElTwis]

If Jensen has signed a new deal then I think we can put any debate over who will be in charge next year to bed.

Kean is now here to stay, lets accept that and move on. The performance we saw yesterday showed we have a lot to be excited about. As other posters have said, if we can keep hold of the youngsters (Hoillet, Olsson, Jones) and the key leaders (Robinson, Samba, Salgado), sign Jermaine Jones permanently and spend a decent amount of money on a striker we will have some fun.

To give him his due, Kean has learnt from the early days of constant attacking with two up front no matter the opposition of player availability and we now see a mixed approach, pragmatic when required but still based around the idea of scoring goals rather then not conceding.

Ideally our manager would be a big name to attract big name players, but he isn't. No point stressing about it, all the club can do is show any potential signings that we are a club on the move with a future in the top half as opposed to the bottom. For the first time in many years we have the cash to back this up.

Lets forget about this season because I think there are good times ahead.

[tony gale's mic]

Its also not beyond the realms of possibility that Sam could have taken us down. I think we have had this conversation before however...?

Its a fair claim that Allardyce picked and chose the games he went out to win, with the league being so tight it could have easily backfired and seen us in real trouble.

Also signing players to make an impact straight away? Like Kalanic, signed instead of RVN because he would make an instant impact, who was then not ready for 6 months.

It's highly unlikely, seeing as he's never got a team relegated, and apart from two seasons after he got Bolton promoted (and the Ince season with us), has never even been involved in a relegation fight.

And Sam picked and chose the games he went out to win? What was he doing in the others? Maybe he was playing for a draw against some of the big teams, but that's fair enough. It's not like he did a Holloway/McCarthy and put out a B team at any point, is it?

[davulsukur]

When were we in the position of choosing between RVN and Kalinic???

Only rumours, but at the time i thought (may be wrong) Allardyce opted not to pursue RVN as he was injured at the time, and he said he needed a striker to be able to hit the ground running.

Then we signed Niko, and were told he wouldn't be ready for 6 months.

[A cup of beans]

When were we in the position of choosing between RVN and Kalinic???

the summer before last..the papers mocked him up in a rovers shirt and everything..

but RVN was injured til the january and deemed too risky by the rovers board, JW and trust.

[Kelbo]

If Jensen has signed a new deal then I think we can put any debate over who will be in charge next year to bed.

Kean is now here to stay, lets accept that and move on. The performance we saw yesterday showed we have a lot to be excited about. As other posters have said, if we can keep hold of the youngsters (Hoillet, Olsson, Jones) and the key leaders (Robinson, Samba, Salgado), sign Jermaine Jones permanently and spend a decent amount of money on a striker we will have some fun.

To give him his due, Kean has learnt from the early days of constant attacking with two up front no matter the opposition of player availability and we now see a mixed approach, pragmatic when required but still based around the idea of scoring goals rather then not conceding.

Ideally our manager would be a big name to attract big name players, but he isn't. No point stressing about it, all the club can do is show any potential signings that we are a club on the move with a future in the top half as opposed to the bottom. For the first time in many years we have the cash to back this up.

Lets forget about this season because I think there are good times ahead.

I am afraid we should wait and see here, maybe there is money, can he attract the right players, do players such as Hoillet, Phil Jones and Samba want to move on if the right opportunity came up? these are the problems Kean faces and I feel that should SAF, Wenger or Kenny came in for any of those players, we would I am sure lose them.

So the money part is easy, its how its spent and without losing the good young players we need to build the team around.

[chaddyrovers]

If Jensen has signed a new deal then I think we can put any debate over who will be in charge next year to bed.

Kean is now here to stay, lets accept that and move on. The performance we saw yesterday showed we have a lot to be excited about. As other posters have said, if we can keep hold of the youngsters (Hoillet, Olsson, Jones) and the key leaders (Robinson, Samba, Salgado), sign Jermaine Jones permanently and spend a decent amount of money on a striker we will have some fun.

To give him his due, Kean has learnt from the early days of constant attacking with two up front no matter the opposition of player availability and we now see a mixed approach, pragmatic when required but still based around the idea of scoring goals rather then not conceding.

Ideally our manager would be a big name to attract big name players, but he isn't. No point stressing about it, all the club can do is show any potential signings that we are a club on the move with a future in the top half as opposed to the bottom. For the first time in many years we have the cash to back this up.

Lets forget about this season because I think there are good times ahead.

I totally agree with this posted.

Kean wouldn't be my choice but if the owners want kean as manager. Then fine, let's move on and get behind the team. Hopefully we will be able to sign very good players thois summer that will move the club into top 10 and challenge for Europe.

[A cup of beans]

and he said he needed a striker to be able to hit the ground running.

Then we signed Niko, and were told he wouldn't be ready for 6 months.

sam wanted di santo to hit the ground running. the ground is almost all he hit!

apart from his goal v the inbreds.. which makes it funnier!

playing di santo and kalinic upfront on their own was and is madness.. unless you got support from the wingers, which we didnt under fatty!

[Majiball]

the summer before last..the papers mocked him up in a rovers shirt and everything..

but RVN was injured til the january and deemed too risky by the rovers board, JW and trust.

I remember Sam saying he would like to sign him, but I'm pretty certain he was never close to signing for us. He was yet another player we chased under Sam who we never had a chance with, ala Jones, Bent, Crouch et al as we just couldn't afford them at the time.

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[A cup of beans]

I totally agree with this posted.

Kean wouldn't be my choice but if the owners want kean as manager. Then fine, let's move on and get behind the team. Hopefully we will be able to sign very good players thois summer that will move the club into top 10 and challenge for Europe.

could end up costing the rao's more money.. without a top name manager.. we'll need to entice PLAYERS with other things.. MONEY.. AND LOTS OF IT!