[Archived] Steve Kean

[Majiball]

Best way for young players to develop is by giving them first-team football. Both Olsson & Holiett have developed greatly with guranteed first-team football that Kean has given them. Of course there's a lot of back-team staff involved with the youth development of players but I firmly believe Kean's one of the main reasons the two players have now become key players for us.

So 6 months with Kean means that everyone else who trained and guided them since they were about 8, doesn't matter.

I'll wager they learnt far more prior to Kean becoming their manager than they have under him, that's no slight on Kean. But since they have been playing and learning the game for about 12 years or so, it's well unfair on all the others who have helped them on their way, to say Keans one of the main reasons.

Olsson was flying last year as well, especially tail end, I guess that was down to Kean as well.

[BangkokRover]

BTW, I, along with all the other people who don't want Kean managing us, were very happy on Sunday night Sambo.

100% True

[The Gull]

I don't particularly want him managing my club as I think we could do better which is why I voted for him to go.

I am however resigned to the fact he will be around a while longer yet so will give him a chance at the start of next season.

He will have the players for a pre-season all to himself, trying to get them to play his way and I will wait and see how we go in the first half dozen games if next season.

Positive performances and results like the last four games, apart from the last 15 mins of the United game which I didn't agree with, and I may even learn to like him, after all he is the Blackburn Rovers manager and that deserves my support if he makes a go of it.

He has to improve his TV image though, he just infuriates me with the stuff he comes out with at times.

[BangkokRover]

I have been fortunate to be in the company of experienced Premiership Managers and assistant managers on a multitude of occassions, without naming names or criticising one or the other, there was one very general concensus of opinion.

For a manager to bear the fruit of any youth development in the premiership, (I say this as they excluded SAF and Wenger) is unheard of as they are long gone by the time it happens, they are either sacked or have taken a more lucrative and high profile job. They also were in agreement that many managers who were sacked, given much longer to try and turn things round may have done so but they each recognised that football is a results industry and if you are not getting results you are down the road. I wonder what Kean has done to get so much time despite the abysmal run of form up to the last 3 games, something is not quite right here and for people to give him credit for youth development is sick and it really must suck for the people who's efforts in developing these players, to see the guy take all the credit.

This is why in general in Europe they have a Director of Football who is with club for a very long time and coach in charge of the first team. The Director of Football is in charge of making the sure the players at all levels are up to the standard of the club.

The coach's job is to win games and make sure the first eleven are functioning correctly. If the coach wants a left back as an example he goes to the Director of Football and they decide if they should promote someone with in the club or buy a first team player. Most of the time they try to promote with in.

Of course in the UK this does not happen so when a manager is changed the club looses direction and certain players leave as their manager leaves etc etc

[Majiball]

We don't need a director of football, we need a performance director ala Forde at Chelsea.

[den]

Best way for young players to develop is by giving them first-team football. Both Olsson & Holiett have developed greatly with guranteed first-team football that Kean has given them.

Kean has been very fortunate to have a talent like Junior coming through when he did. Without him, we might not be celebrating PL football now.

Truth is, Junior was very highly rated by everyone at Ewood. He was outstanding at St Pauli. It was just a matter of time with him.

[PAFELL]

I have been fortunate to be in the company of experienced Premiership Managers and assistant managers on a multitude of occassions, without naming names or criticising one or the other, there was one very general concensus of opinion.

For a manager to bear the fruit of any youth development in the premiership, (I say this as they excluded SAF and Wenger) is unheard of as they are long gone by the time it happens, they are either sacked or have taken a more lucrative and high profile job. They also were in agreement that many managers who were sacked, given much longer to try and turn things round may have done so but they each recognised that football is a results industry and if you are not getting results you are down the road. I wonder what Kean has done to get so much time despite the abysmal run of form up to the last 3 games, something is not quite right here and for people to give him credit for youth development is sick and it really must suck for the people who's efforts in developing these players, to see the guy take all the credit.

The only thing I can think of how Kean got given the time to continue, even during the bad run, if it has nothing to do with his agent. Is he told them Rovers may go on a bad run until the players got used to the way he wants the team to play. Venkys bought it. I still want him to be replaced as a manager. Because I do not think he has the pulling power to convince good players to sign for the club. Though I suppose that is why we have agents etc involved. But there are certain, well known managers that player like to play for. But Kean is not one of those people.

To give credit, the last few games were an improvement. The last few games, Rovers played a lot different and with a lot more confidence and determination than I have seen in a Rovers team for awhile. So I ask myself a question why was this.

1/ Was it because all of a sudden Kean learnt from his mistakes - I do not believe that.

2/ Were the players offered a cash incentive - cannot rule it out.

3/ The players were giving the team talk - which opens up another question, why would they want to do so.

4/ Jensen took over, players listened to him and not Kean - cannot rule it out.

5/ The players knew that somebody other than Kean and Jensen was giving the advice needed, who is to replace Kean and Jensen.

6/ Players learnt about Rafa maybe coming and would rather play for Kean than Rafa.

7/ Having been to Burnley last season, suffered the stench and feared they may catch something if they went back there again next season - Most certainly cannot rule that out.

Others on here have said there has been improvements - maybe slight - but still improvements. Good that there was, but why all of a sudden, how was it achieved.

[Amo]

Kean has been very fortunate to have a talent like Junior coming through when he did. Without him, we might not be celebrating PL football now.

Truth is, Junior was very highly rated by everyone at Ewood. He was outstanding at St Pauli. It was just a matter of time with him.

And yet the guy did bog all this season until Kean gave him his break.

[BangkokRover]

We don't need a director of football, we need a performance director ala Forde at Chelsea.

I had a quick look on the Chelsea site but I could see that guy. Do you have a link please Majiball?

Cheers

BKR

The only thing I can think of how Kean got given the time to continue, even during the bad run, if it has nothing to do with his agent. Is he told them Rovers may go on a bad run until the players got used to the way he wants the team to play. Venkys bought it. I still want him to be replaced as a manager. Because I do not think he has the pulling power to convince good players to sign for the club. Though I suppose that is why we have agents etc involved. But there are certain, well known managers that player like to play for. But Kean is not one of those people.

To give credit, the last few games were an improvement. The last few games, Rovers played a lot different and with a lot more confidence and determination than I have seen in a Rovers team for awhile. So I ask myself a question why was this.

1/ Was it because all of a sudden Kean learnt from his mistakes - I do not believe that.

2/ Were the players offered a cash incentive - cannot rule it out.

3/ The players were giving the team talk - which opens up another question, why would they want to do so.

4/ Jensen took over, players listened to him and not Kean - cannot rule it out.

5/ The players knew that somebody other than Kean and Jensen was giving the advice needed, who is to replace Kean and Jensen.

6/ Players learnt about Rafa maybe coming and would rather play for Kean than Rafa.

7/ Having been to Burnley last season, suffered the stench and feared they may catch something if they went back there again next season - Most certainly cannot rule that out.

Others on here have said there has been improvements - maybe slight - but still improvements. Good that there was, but why all of a sudden, how was it achieved.

Hahahaha got to be number 7

[tony gale's mic]

And yet the guy did bog all this season until Kean gave him his break.

Pretty sure he got his break last season, when Sam gave a 19 year old who was in his first season in English football 24 appearances.

[den]

And yet the guy did bog all this season until Kean gave him his break.

Hmmm. Not sure how you would know that Topman.

Fans who have watched him since he appeared in the first team under Sam, pretty well said in his early days, that he had something special about him, but his decision making was letting him down. Into only his second season and he can still improve on that, but he's certainly a top player now. Don't forget, that while you state that he wasn't doing anything at all under Sam, Kean was his coach.

[BangkokRover]

Pretty sure he got his break last season, when Sam gave a 19 year old who was in his first season in English football 24 appearances.

Defo played under BFS just featured more often and was more pivotal under Kean

[imy9]

Hmmm. Not sure how you would know that Topman.

Fans who have watched him since he appeared in the first team under Sam, pretty well said in his early days, that he had something special about him, but his decision making was letting him down. Into only his second season and he can still improve on that, but he's certainly a top player now. Don't forget, that while you state that he wasn't doing anything at all under Sam, Kean was his coach.

Which is probably why Kean began starting with him almost immediately.

Majority of his apps last year were as a sub where he was not making much impact. Again this season started 4 games and sub for 5 but worringly an unused sub in a further 8 games, that does not look like a player about to embark on a run of 14 starts and 5 PL goals with a further assist.

[Majiball]

I had a quick look on the Chelsea site but I could see that guy. Do you have a link please Majiball?

Cheers

BKR

Here you go:

Interview with Mike

A piece about when he joined in 07

Talks about him taking on a lot of arnesens responsibilities

talks about what they did at Bolton

He's still there and is very highly respected in the game. Basically they ensure strong communication between departments,developing strategy, backroom team development, staff recruitment and set policy for the club, generally either a business background or a psychological one. Takes a lot of work away from the manager that really they don't know how to do as most are not trained in that aspect.

We'd need a bigger backroom team, but if we are to do as Venky's claim then the backroom team needs serious expansion and specialization this summer.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

So 6 months with Kean means that everyone else who trained and guided them since they were about 8, doesn't matter.

I'll wager they learnt far more prior to Kean becoming their manager than they have under him, that's no slight on Kean. But since they have been playing and learning the game for about 12 years or so, it's well unfair on all the others who have helped them on their way, to say Keans one of the main reasons.

Olsson was flying last year as well, especially tail end, I guess that was down to Kean as well.

For obvious reasons there is a long chain of people at Ewood who help bring through the youth team players. However, personally I feel that Kean's rather annoying over optimism has rubbed off on the younger players. He has given them the confidence to express themselves in a way that was a credit to the position we were in. For me this has been the biggest plus so far from Kean's reign - somehow the players managed to express themselves in the pressure cooker environment of the relegation dog fight.

Personally I am little surprised at how many people have come out pro-Kean since we became safe. There wasn't so many voicing that opinion prior to the United or Wolves matches.

For those that think we need a big name manager to attract big players - I disagree - as I don't think we can afford big name players anyway (especially from a wages perspective) far better to stick to bringing in the Rochina's of this world and develop as a team. Loan players will always be available to bolster the ranks - and they aren't so dependant on big name managers. If our owners want a big name signing - it will be money that talks rather than the name of our manager.

[BangkokRover]

Here you go:

Interview with Mike

A piece about when he joined in 07

Talks about him taking on a lot of arnesens responsibilities

talks about what they did at Bolton

He's still there and is very highly respected in the game. Basically they ensure strong communication between departments,developing strategy, backroom team development, staff recruitment and set policy for the club, generally either a business background or a psychological one. Takes a lot of work away from the manager that really they don't know how to do as most are not trained in that aspect.

We'd need a bigger backroom team, but if we are to do as Venky's claim then the backroom team needs serious expansion and specialization this summer.

Cheers I will take a good look at this

[tony gale's mic]

Which is probably why Kean began starting with him almost immediately.

Majority of his apps last year were as a sub where he was not making much impact. Again this season started 4 games and sub for 5 but worringly an unused sub in a further 8 games, that does not look like a player about to embark on a run of 14 starts and 5 PL goals with a further assist.

And Sam handled Hoilett entirely correctly, and the same way that all good managers in this league handle young talents.

Give them substitute appearances, see if they're ready, and if they impress enough give them a first team spot.

But Hoilett wasnt quite ready for first team spots last season. He got plenty of chances to make an impact as sub but never really followed up on them.

[chocky]

Kean needs to be given a dozen matches to prove himself. If he makes the right signings this summer we will not have a season like this one again.

[Kelbo]

Pretty sure he got his break last season, when Sam gave a 19 year old who was in his first season in English football 24 appearances.

And debuts to Phil Jones, Ollsen, Josh Morris, Jason Lowe, Grant Hanley and a young winger called Haworth, thats 7 debuts to youngsters in one season, quite a feat but they came through the ranks and were developed by the club!!

[tony gale's mic]

Kean needs to be given a dozen matches to prove himself. If he makes the right signings this summer we will not have a season like this one again.

He's already had 21 games.

I agree, if he gets £20 million plus to spend we'll be less likely be threatened by relegation.

But we still won't come close to reaching our potential IMO.

[BangkokRover]

And debuts to Phil Jones, Ollsen, Josh Morris, Jason Lowe, Grant Hanley and a young winger called Haworth, thats 7 debuts to youngsters in one season, quite a feat but they came through the ranks and were developed by the club!!

Makes you proud to be a Rovers fan

[BangkokRover]

I agree, if he gets £20 million plus to spend we'll be less likely be threatened by relegation.

Does that not depend on who we buy? Surely if he spend it on RSC then lord help us.

[Amo]

Pretty sure he got his break last season, when Sam gave a 19 year old who was in his first season in English football 24 appearances.

How many games did he start under Sam this season?

And don't give me that crap that he wasn't ready for the first-team, because that was proven wrong in the space of months.

[BangkokRover]

And don't give me that crap that he wasn't ready for the first-team, because that was proven wrong in the space of months.

We don't know that as he might have been a big headed muppet like Dyer and Kieron Richardson walking telling everybody how wonderful they are and how much money they are getting but basically producing zero on the pitch constantly.

[Amo]

We don't know that as he might have been a big headed muppet like Dyer and Kieron Richardson walking telling everybody how wonderful they are and how much money they are getting but basically producing zero on the pitch constantly.

Whenever I watched Hoilett, he had the pace to burn but his decision-making was erratic at best. I always maintained if he was given a run in the side, and the confidence to improve his game, he could become something. The previous manager chose to overlook that.