[Archived] Steve Kean

[dubdubdub]

Neither are perfect obviously but the entire point of the argument is that Allardyce got more points per game. Avoiding relegation and maximising the placing payments is waht it's all about in the Prem. In fact extrapolate the points gained by Kean in 21 matches over a season and the total would be 39 points, apply the same math to Allardyces 21 from 17 and we'd finish on 48 points. Last week we'd have precariously stayed up on goal difference only under Kean (not done respective GD figures btw) whilst an 8th/9th finish under Allardyce would have earned the club in excess of 4m extra.

To put that into financial perspective that equates to the total gate receipts taken over an entire season of an extra 17000 supporters for every home game!

Did you even read what i've said? At no point did I criticise either manager so you're rant in defending Allardyce is of little point and neither agrees or disagrees with me.

[John]

who would you like to be the rovers manager then if you was the owner thenodrog?

IMO, there are not many manager's around who can do a top quality job, particularly with little resources.

Additionally, ideally, you want a manager who can develop/improve the whole football club from top to bottom. Now that we have a bit more finance there should be an opportunity to improve certain aspects like: ensuring the blueprint for the academy is as good as possible, replace/add to the infrastructure behind the scenes, coaching team, sports science equipment/staff etc). I would be interested in knowing Kean's plans in relation to these moving forward.

[Stockport rover]

Alex goldstein just tweeted ' Steve mcclaren to Blackburn I'm told... Don't know how true' he's pretty knowledgable anyone recon there's any truth? And would we welcome him?

[blue_and_white]

'Praise be to Allar-dyce!' will be his response.

Why, because he refuses to take a pop at him pretty much every day? Kean and Venkys have grown on me massively the last couple of months, I'm still far from certain they'll do the business for Rovers but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt these days. The one thing thats dampening my enthusiasm for them is I don't wanna line up behind the 5-10 posters on here who seem to find it difficult to praise them without insulting or deriding Sam in the same breath.

Its not that I love the guy or am one of his "fluffers" as cruz charmingly proclaimed a few pages back, I just don't wanna see a guy who did a cracking job and saved this club from relegation (the crucial thing that allowed the Venky takeover to happen) have history rewritten against him by continuous flippant insults dished out by ungrateful fans with very short memories. If the Sam-haters can get off his back for 5 seconds, I think they'll find support for Kean will grow at a faster rate.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We survive relegation on the final day but now Kean is the new messiah and should stay...what's with the change of view folks?

The fact remains that Steve Kean should never have been offered the job in the first place and was not qualified not experienced enough.I dont personally believe he can take this club forward in any way,we need a respected manager.

[John]

I just don't wanna see a guy who did a cracking job and saved this club from relegation (the crucial thing that allowed the Venky takeover to happen) have history rewritten against him by continuous flippant insults dished out by ungrateful fans with very short memories. If the Sam-haters can get off his back for 5 seconds, I think they'll find support for Kean will grow at a faster rate.

That's what I can never understand - if someone does our/my football club good (i.e. save us from relegation following the mess Ince left us in), I will always be grateful.

[Billy Castell]

Alex goldstein just tweeted ' Steve mcclaren to Blackburn I'm told... Don't know how true' he's pretty knowledgable anyone recon there's any truth? And would we welcome him?

Hope not, he's gash. One good UEFA cup run, and his entire career has undergone revisionism of massive proportions. He was crap at Boro, spending lots and finshing about 14th every season. Crap at England. Did do well at FC Twente, but reverted to form by taking the German champions closer to relegation than the Champions League.

I'd even risk keeping Kean than fork out big wages for this loser.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Neither are perfect obviously but the entire point of the argument is that Allardyce got more points per game. Avoiding relegation and maximising the placing payments is waht it's all about in the Prem. In fact extrapolate the points gained by Kean in 21 matches over a season and the total would be 39 points, apply the same math to Allardyces 21 from 17 and we'd finish on 48 points. Last week we'd have precariously stayed up on goal difference only under Kean (not done respective GD figures btw) whilst an 8th/9th finish under Allardyce would have earned the club in excess of 4m extra.

To put that into financial perspective that equates to the total gate receipts taken over an entire season of an extra 17000 supporters for every home game!

Ah the joy of statistics - we were 5 points off the bottom when Sam was sacked - and 4 points at the end of the season.

It is impossible to say how many points we would have gained under Sam - my gut instinct is that we would have gained more points - but as one of our key players was injured early in Kean's reign (Jones) - who is to say how things would have developed. He would have purchased different players at Christmas - but who is to say they would have been any better ? The only thing certain last season - was the uncertainty - and nobody could have predicted what would have happened under Sam.

[andyroversmad]

Steve Mcclaren

Would rather we stick with Kean.

[Andy]

Would take McClaren every day of the week over Kean.

[waggy]

why do you all keepbitching on about lardarse,he came out and said if rovers would have released him from his contract he would have been managing in the middle east,show him the same respect he showed you NONE

[Steve Moss]

Michael Bradley please

Seconded! And while we are dreaming, can we add Stuart Holden and Landon Donovan to that order?

I can't believe some people are considering Barton the guy is a thug first and foremost & the only place that guy should be is in a lunatic asylum and after that unprovoked attack on MGP he has no place on a footy pitch . . .

For all of his skill and aptitude, Barton is bad news. He'd be a cancer in the locker room, a problem we do not need.

If we want to push for a top 10 place next season then we need to sign players who would walk into our first XI, not add to the numbers who can play one week and sit on the bench the next.

. . . It's not a big ego we need but a good solid hardworking goalscorer who can get into double figures but also doesn't mind getting stuck in and doesn't sulk if things don't go his way or disrupt the team.

Wisdom.

why do you all keepbitching on about lardarse,he came out and said if rovers would have released him from his contract he would have been managing in the middle east,show him the same respect he showed you NONE

Sam honored his commitments, despite money on the offering elsewhere. And he was honest about what is what. That's to be lauded, not disparaged, in my opinion.

[Stuart]

why do you all keepbitching on about lardarse,he came out and said if rovers would have released him from his contract he would have been managing in the middle east,show him the same respect he showed you NONE

Happy Birthday for tomorrow waggy!

[Gav]

why do you all keepbitching on about lardarse,he came out and said if rovers would have released him from his contract he would have been managing in the middle east,show him the same respect he showed you NONE

Been there, argued that, he remains a saint a soon to be championship managing saint.

The fact he's possibly linking up with Brady, Gold and Sullivan is just hilarious

[davulsukur]

Steve Mcclaren

Would rather we stick with Kean.

Same here

[Ralfinho]

Interview with kean on SkySports

Keano

[John]

Full interview here

Good interview, less spin than usual.

[yoda]

Interview with kean on SkySports

Keano

This is in the article

Money matters play on your mind when you're down at the bottom, of course they do. If a team goes down to the Championship there's a percentage of wage deduction built into players' contracts.

now who started that rumour that the clauses had been removed?

[BuckyRover]

If you had asked me a few months ago I would have probably swapped Kean for McClaren.

Not now though.

I don't think it will happen either

[Gav]

Full interview here

Good interview, less spin than usual.

Surely because we're not in a relegation dog fight where positive thinking and positive spin is integral to success on the pitch.

If you had asked me a few months ago I would have probably swapped Kean for McClaren.

Not now though.

I don't think it will happen either

Couldn't agree more, McClaren knocked 10k off the gates at Boro with his brand of footbal, very much from the Allardyce school, but with more success obviously.

[LeChuck]

Ah the joy of statistics - we were 5 points off the bottom when Sam was sacked - and 4 points at the end of the season.

You've completely misinterpreted those statistics though.

If you read then properly they'll tell you that we were a long way off being a relegation side under Allardyce over a full season, but would have been relegated under Kean over a full season.

[yoda]

You've completely misinterpreted those statistics though.

If you read then properly they'll tell you that we were a long way off being a relegation side under Allardyce over a full season, but would have been relegated under Kean over a full season.

Well we are going to find out next season

[cruz]

On the subject of Keans spin, if you remember the last manager, during a run of 9 games without a win, constantly came out to the press saying how crap we are. He never once put any postiive spin on it.............hang on.....he did.....but then again he's a Champions league and world cup winning manager.......he must be given all the hero worship of the last 5 months

[Tom]

I said go but the last 4 games have give me a little hope he can be OK yet I just think the job is too big for him right now.

I just hope the Sam talk can stop now, Kean didn't end up undoing all his work last season and next season is a new start

[John]

Surely because we're not in a relegation dog fight where positive thinking and positive spin is integral to success on the pitch.

Who says?

Didn't make much difference when we went on our worst run of results for 25 years...