[Archived] Steve Kean

[JAL]

Steve is improving and will turn out to be a good manager in much the same fashion as Mark Hughes and Chris Hughton did (buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).

Cuckoo cuckoo ........

[Rover & Out]

Do you fancy a wager on that prediction as I suspect you would have a few takers

I think there'd have been a fair few takers on here a few months ago on us going down.

Some people on here had us dead and buried with a handful of games to go.

[T.J.Newton]

How can you be sure of that? People can learn how to be managers, happens with ex-players all the time. In fact I'd argue the transition from coach to manager would be easier than player to manager as you already know all the technical side of things. The difference with a manager is you have to:

1. Inspire the players

2. Make the big tactical decisions

3. Use the transfer market well.

I'm beginning to think Kean has finally cracked 1, is working on 2 and 3 all depends on whether Mrs D and the brothers Rao want to sign Ronaldinho again.

I admire your optimism but if Hughes comes back to Rovers I'll pay for your season ticket!

i agree with the 3 points you have pointed out, but i also think theres somthing else you need to be a top manager(not an average 1), a certain charisma and stature that all top managers have that cant be learnt you either have it or you dont, and i dont think fean has it at all he as the charisma of a doughnut if you like.

I will hold you to that season ticket,

[imy9]

Jim and Plastic Head to name two who said we were down weeks before the end of the season.

[jim mk2]

Jim and Plastic Head to name two who said we were down weeks before the end of the season.

And your point is, Mr Chips ?

[Aberdeen Blue]

I think there'd have been a fair few takers on here a few months ago on us going down.

Some people on here had us dead and buried with a handful of games to go.

So are you confident enough in his ability to take on the wager then? Shall we say a nice round £100 to get the ball rolling?

[yeti-dog]

And your point is, Mr Chips ?

I'd imagine his point is, that just because you shout something from the rooftops ad nauseum,it doesn't necessarily make it true or factual.

[Andy]

Just as burying your head in the sand doesn't make a problem go away.

[yeti-dog]

The difference being that I wasn't incessantly asserting we were staying up. I was concerned but prepared to see it through to the end of the season.

Jim ,on the other hand is only ever convinced by the(supposed)veracity of his own argument to the exclusion of all others.

Gets boring after a while.

[jim mk2]

I'd imagine his point is, that just because you shout something from the rooftops ad nauseum,it doesn't necessarily make it true or factual.

Excellent. Have you got an apple for the teacher too ?

Gets boring after a while.

You constantly making excuses for Kean and the new owners is boring too but there you go ......

[Mercer]

Been on my travels for the last week or so and little changes on this M.B..

Met a fairly wide spectrum of football supporters from across the UK as well as a couple of old pro's including one former Championship manager. What came across more than anything was that no one got Kean's appointment and no one rated him.

Incredibly sad, especially as we seem to be stuck with him. Some choppy waters ahead, I think.

[yeti-dog]

Been on my travels for the last week or so and little changes on this M.B..

Met a fairly wide spectrum of football supporters from across the UK as well as a couple of old pro's including one former Championship manager. What came across more than anything was that no one got Kean's appointment and no one rated him.

Incredibly sad, especially as we seem to be stuck with him. Some choppy waters ahead, I think.

Mercerman,welcome back.

Please don't take this personally,especially as we seem to tolerate each other more these days,but how can you be so miserable all the time?.

You need to go out and get pi**ed,let your hair down a bit...

[Mercer]

You need to go out and get pi**ed,let your hair down a bit...

Thanks Yeti-Dog - wife says I've been p1ssed too much this last week, as for hair, not too much to let down these days!

[The Harwood Yankee]

Like it or not it was the points we amassed under Allardyce which kept us up. These are the facts of the season:

Under Allardyce: Played 17, 21 points

Under Kean: Played 21, 22 points

Had we sustained that form under SA over 38 games we would have amassed 47 points, finishing 10th. Project Kean's results over 38 games and it averages out at 39 points, which would have left us relying on goal difference to keep us up.

Given that football is all about results, it's hard to see why the same owners who were so sure that Allardyce wasn't up to the job should be willing to stick with Kean.

[Steve Moss]

Like it or not it was the points we amassed under Allardyce which kept us up. These are the facts of the season:

Under Allardyce: Played 17, 21 points

Under Kean: Played 21, 22 points

Had we sustained that form under SA over 38 games we would have amassed 47 points, finishing 10th.

Factor in that Sam was leading up to a series of "easy" games when he was sacked. It changes the math a bit more in his favor.

[trueblue]

Gets boring after a while.

So does the petty name calling and side-swiping that goes on on this MB

Back on topic please chaps

[imy9]

Like it or not it was the points we amassed under Allardyce which kept us up. These are the facts of the season:

Under Allardyce: Played 17, 21 points

Under Kean: Played 21, 22 points

Had we sustained that form under SA over 38 games we would have amassed 47 points, finishing 10th. Project Kean's results over 38 games and it averages out at 39 points, which would have left us relying on goal difference to keep us up.

Given that football is all about results, it's hard to see why the same owners who were so sure that Allardyce wasn't up to the job should be willing to stick with Kean.

So regardless of Sam Allardyce this season under Steve Kean according to the stats we would have survived. Our goal difference under Kean spread over a season would have us comfortably ahead of our rivals.

So 'we only survived because of Sam' line is inaccurate.

Had a quick glance at the PL table in the last 6 years and we would have survived comfortably with Kean's tally in every season- this year has been a freak year, usually 36/37 points has been enough.

[Iceman]

Been on my travels for the last week or so and little changes on this M.B..

Met a fairly wide spectrum of football supporters from across the UK as well as a couple of old pro's including one former Championship manager. What came across more than anything was that no one got Kean's appointment and no one rated him.

Incredibly sad, especially as we seem to be stuck with him. Some choppy waters ahead, I think.

we played some good football in the last few games, with loads of commitment and effort put in. whether that was down to Kean or the players, it basically sets us up for a good season.However, SK and the owners, will come under more pressure, if we lose Jones especially and don't spend much on new signings. Btw, relax Mercerman, its not like the season has started yet. for all we know, we could win our 1st 10 games

[Gav]

Met a fairly wide spectrum of football supporters from across the UK as well as a couple of old pro's including one former Championship manager. What came across more than anything was that no one got Kean's appointment and no one rated him.

Incredibly sad, especially as we seem to be stuck with him. Some choppy waters ahead, I think.

So nobody had anything good to say about a coach that’s never managed, and his ability to keep the side in the premiership against all the odds? You do surprise me mercerman

Former championship manager eh, was it the PC version or Mac?

I recently had a holiday, and all the people I spoke to said what a good job he'd done keeping us up and a couple of them mentioned how our style had changed since Allardyce had left, the difference between Blackpool and Crete I guess

[jim mk2]

So regardless of Sam Allardyce this season under Steve Kean according to the stats we would have survived. Our goal difference under Kean spread over a season would have us comfortably ahead of our rivals.

So 'we only survived because of Sam' line is inaccurate.

Had a quick glance at the PL table in the last 6 years and we would have survived comfortably with Kean's tally in every season- this year has been a freak year, usually 36/37 points has been enough.

For the record

http://premiersoccer...erID=AllardyceS

Sam's record:

1.35 points at Bolton, or 51.3 points per season average.

1.24 points at Newcastle, or 47.2 points per season average.

1.3 points at Blackburn, or 49.4 points per season average.

Compared to Kean's 1.05 points per match at Rovers.

Book your season tickets now for the another hair-raising relegation battle with Mr "Positive" Steve Kean.

[imy9]

For the record

http://premiersoccer...erID=AllardyceS

Sam's record:

1.35 points at Bolton, or 51.3 points per season average.

1.24 points at Newcastle, or 47.2 points per season average.

1.3 points at Blackburn, or 49.4 points per season average.

Compared to Kean's 1.05 points per match at Rovers.

Book your season tickets now for the another hair-raising relegation battle with Mr "Positive" Steve Kean.

Under Sam in October you said we were "relegation candidates" (last week top 4 contenders) then we WERE relegated under Kean and now we will be involved in another relegation. There is a pattern here, no?

Novice premier league manager= struggle last season.

[Teacup]

Sam's record:

1.35 points at Bolton, or 51.3 points per season average.

1.24 points at Newcastle, or 47.2 points per season average.

1.3 points at Blackburn, or 49.4 points per season average.

Compared to Kean's 1.05 points per match at Rovers.

Any chance you can compare that to years of management experience?

Or are we hating on Steve because he wasn't a top flight manager in his first six month?

[jim mk2]

Any chance you can compare that to years of management experience?

Or are we hating on Steve because he wasn't a top flight manager in his first six month?

Who mentioned "hate" ? Dislike him because he's not good enough and nearly got Rovers relegated. Is that OK ?

[47er]

Any chance you can compare that to years of management experience?

Or are we hating on Steve because he wasn't a top flight manager in his first six month?

Should have done his apprenticeship elsewhere in lower leagues.Thrown in at the deep end before he was ready.

[imy9]

Jim- a request: on your signature you have put:

"Venky's haven't put a foot wrong so far - imy9"

As I have said no such thing- I have checked, could you take it off or at least put in something that I have actually said.