[Archived] Steve Kean

[Teacup]

Who mentioned "hate" ? Dislike him because he's not good enough and nearly got Rovers relegated. Is that OK ?

Err.. Okay? Yeah, that is okay? lol

I am just saying, do you not think that he will improve over the years?

Should have done his apprenticeship elsewhere in lower leagues.Thrown in at the deep end before he was ready.

Is that his fault though? If you was in his position would you walk away from the job offer? I mean, lets be serious, any manager being offered the Rovers job would only turn it down if there was something better on the table.

[BuckyRover]

Who mentioned "hate" ? Dislike him because he's not good enough and nearly got Rovers relegated. Is that OK ?

Nearly?

4 games before the end of the season, the chief line of argument was that his points total over the season would have seen us relegated.

But now it turns out it wouldn't. Not in this season or in any recent ones. In his first half season in charge whilst the club was in turmoil.

Then again, Miseryman has conduced a family fortunes style poll across the country and they all think he's useless.

Anecdotal evidence over facts every time.

[broadsword]

We weren't safe from relegation until the final whistle blew on the final day of the season.

The club was in turmoil thanks to the calamitous decisions of the owners, one of those decisions was to appoint Kean. The team itself wasn't in turmoil, and it was good enough to finish significantly higher up the table than it did. The fact that it failed to do so was courtesy of the appalling run that we went on for three months. The responsibility for that lies with the manager.

So yes, that is "nearly". Stop being so pathetic.

[47er]

Err.. Okay? Yeah, that is okay? lol

I am just saying, do you not think that he will improve over the years?

Is that his fault though? If you was in his position would you walk away from the job offer? I mean, lets be serious, any manager being offered the Rovers job would only turn it down if there was something better on the table.

You're changing the argument but "no" it isn't his fault unless he actively conspired to get himself in at Sam's expense. Either way its primarily Venky's fault for being so clueless.

[davulsukur]

Jim- a request: on your signature you have put:

"Venky's haven't put a foot wrong so far - imy9"

As I have said no such thing- I have checked, could you take it off or at least put in something that I have actually said.

Speaking of Signatures, you have one that says

"For all you know, the squad under Sam could have made the top 4- Jim mk2"

Is that a genuine comment?

[imy9]

100% accurate, I don't create fake ones

[BuckyRover]

We weren't safe from relegation until the final whistle blew on the final day of the season.

The club was in turmoil thanks to the calamitous decisions of the owners, one of those decisions was to appoint Kean. The team itself wasn't in turmoil, and it was good enough to finish significantly higher up the table than it did. The fact that it failed to do so was courtesy of the appalling run that we went on for three months. The responsibility for that lies with the manager.

So yes, that is "nearly". Stop being so pathetic.

It's still a good points total all things considered.

The responsibility lies with the owners. He cannot help being a novice manager.

In my opinion, and the opinion of those that matter (his employers) is that he did "ok" in the circumstances.

It's certainly not worth crying about.

Stop being pathetic. Is it living in East Lancs that makes everyones default position one of impending doom and catastrophe?

Things can only get better.

[jim mk2]

100% accurate, I don't create fake ones

And I don't quote others that are misconstrued or taken out of context

[47er]

It's still a good points total all things considered.

The responsibility lies with the owners. He cannot help being a novice manager.

In my opinion, and the opinion of those that matter (his employers) is that he did "ok" in the circumstances.

It's certainly not worth crying about.

Stop being pathetic. Is it living in East Lancs that makes everyones default position one of impending doom and catastrophe?

Things can only get better.

We hope things can only get better!

[jim mk2]

Speaking of Signatures, you have one that says

"For all you know, the squad under Sam could have made the top 4- Jim mk2"

Is that a genuine comment?

Yup, and in the context of what was posted before it doesn't mean I was saying they could have finished in the top 4.

Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. We'll never know.

[broadsword]

It's still a good points total all things considered.

The responsibility lies with the owners. He cannot help being a novice manager.

In my opinion, and the opinion of those that matter (his employers) is that he did "ok" in the circumstances.

It's certainly not worth crying about.

Stop being pathetic. Is it living in East Lancs that makes everyones default position one of impending doom and catastrophe?

Things can only get better.

I wouldn't know, I don't live in East Lancs. Unlike you to be wide of the mark.

He did "OK" for someone who is not up to the job. For a club that cannot afford to gamble with relegation, he didn't do "OK". For 50% of his reign (a continuous spell)he couldn't get a win.

You have a history of calling things wrong, you are trying to apply some positive spin to a bad situation that next year could see us relegated, unless there is a significant improvement. It's not other people being miserable, it's you being deluded.

[Aberdeen Blue]

So are you confident enough in his ability to take on the wager then? Shall we say a nice round £100 to get the ball rolling?

Still no takers???

[imy9]

And I don't quote others that are misconstrued or taken out of context

:lol: :lol:

Question: Was the quote that I used correct- yes or no.

The quote that you used: "Venky's haven't put a foot wrong so far" imy9 is 100% FAKE as I have NEVER used the words on this or any other forum, so pretty pathetic Jim that you have to resort to these tactics, so again can you kindly take the quote off or use one that is actually truthful.

[Parsonblue]

Nearly?

4 games before the end of the season, the chief line of argument was that his points total over the season would have seen us relegated.

But now it turns out it wouldn't. Not in this season or in any recent ones. In his first half season in charge whilst the club was in turmoil.

Then again, Miseryman has conduced a family fortunes style poll across the country and they all think he's useless.

Anecdotal evidence over facts every time.

The club was in turmoil because the owners had replaced an experienced manager with a guy who struggled to win games. Two wins between the end of January and the last day of the season is a fact and not anecdotal evidence. While the final few games brought an improvement the fact remains that wins continued to prove elusive. Kean will be judged on results and if the doubts surrounding him are to evaporate he needs to get some wins on the board early on next season. A stuttering start will simply put him under more pressure.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Two wins between the end of January and the last day of the season is a fact and not anecdotal evidence.

It's also a fact deliberately chosen to present him in the worst possible light by excluding wins before and after your chosen timeframe. The previous manager had zero wins from early Cotober 09 till mid Jan '10 - is that a fair assessment of him?

[jim mk2]

Question: Was the quote that I used correct- yes or no.

I'll repeat what i said. In the context of what was posted before it doesn't mean I was saying they could have finished in the top 4.

Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. We'll never know.

Disappointing that a teacher should have poor comprehension skills.

[davulsukur]

What was the post before it?

[Plastic Head]

Has Kean not been sacked yet?

Oh no looks like more misery to come then...

[jim mk2]

It's also a fact deliberately chosen to present him in the worst possible light by excluding wins before and after your chosen timeframe. The previous manager had zero wins from early Cotober 09 till mid Jan '10 - is that a fair assessment of him?

To be fair to Kean performances and results in his reign so far have been curate's egg ranging from the downright abysmal in some matches to very good in others. Sam looked in trouble at one stage but there was always the confidence he would pull through. There was never that feeling with Kean and it needed results to go our way plus a good performance on the last day to escape.

I don't think he's good enough and he'll have a job attracting "name" players to Ewood because he isn't a big name himself but let's see how he goes next season. As has been stated before he needs to get off to a good start.

[imy9]

I'll repeat what i said. In the context of what was posted before it doesn't mean I was saying they could have finished in the top 4.

Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. We'll never know.

Disappointing that a teacher should have poor comprehension skills.

Even thinking that Sam could finish 4th is probably the silliest thing that I have heard on this MB, 'maybe we could' that's not a lack of comprehensive skills Jim thats you using a stupid hypothetical, now stop digging, the quote I used is correct-yes or no? One you used is fake, can you amend mine.

This is the same Jim who thought we'd be relegated under Sam in October '10-yes or no?

I'd get an eye test with that free bus pass Jim, ConDem's are doing well in that regard.

[Parsonblue]

It's also a fact deliberately chosen to present him in the worst possible light by excluding wins before and after your chosen timeframe. The previous manager had zero wins from early Cotober 09 till mid Jan '10 - is that a fair assessment of him?

Between the end of January and the end of the season we won two games. Like it or not that is a fact. I readily accept that performances improved over the final few games but we still found wins difficult to come by. The previous manager saved the club from relegation and finished 10th in his first, and only, full season in charge. At the moment, like so many supporters, I've still to be convinced that Kean will be able to achieve the same. I will be more than happy to admit I was wrong if he can take us to a top ten finish next season. However, two wins in three and a half months doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[jim mk2]

Even thinking that Sam could finish 4th is probably the silliest thing that I have heard on this MB, 'maybe we could' that's not a lack of comprehensive skills Jim thats you using a stupid hypothetical, now stop digging, the quote I used is correct-yes or no? One you used is fake, can you amend mine.

This is the same Jim who thought we'd be relegated under Sam in October '10-yes or no?

I'd get an eye test with that free bus pass Jim, ConDem's are doing well in that regard.

Of course it was hypothetical. Well done for understanding that much.

If you're an example of the current crop of teachers it's the nation's youth I feel sorry for.

In the meantime try to keep order with the no-hopers in 5C.

[K-Hod]

Of course it was hypothetical. Well done for understanding that much.

If you're an example of the current crop of teachers it's the nation's youth I feel sorry for.

In the meantime try to keep order with the no-hopers in 5C.

Will you two get a room?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Between the end of January and the end of the season we won two games. Like it or not that is a fact. I readily accept that performances improved over the final few games but we still found wins difficult to come by. The previous manager saved the club from relegation and finished 10th in his first, and only, full season in charge. At the moment, like so many supporters, I've still to be convinced that Kean will be able to achieve the same. I will be more than happy to admit I was wrong if he can take us to a top ten finish next season. However, two wins in three and a half months doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Of the 8 games in Kean's reign that you exclude via the timeframe of your fact, we won four - 50% - which is also a fact, like it or not. And about as relevant.

I am no great fan of Kean, but it is only fair to judge him over the entirety of his period in charge.

[yoda]

jim mk2, on 03 June 2011 - 13:48 PM, said:

Of course it was hypothetical. Well done for understanding that much.

If you're an example of the current crop of teachers it's the nation's youth I feel sorry for.

In the meantime try to keep order with the no-hopers in 5C.

Will you two get a room?

Hey Mods, how about bringing the pub option back!