[Archived] Steve Kean

[alexanders]

Mb Diouf and RSC are as far as you can get to fix our problems. Horrible horrible decisions if this comes off.

[den]

Kean denies drink driving charge.

Kean, 43, was stopped on the M6 in Cheshire on May 14 and gave a breath test reading of almost twice the legal limit, Crewe magistrates heard.

Very interesting. Why would he deny it? Does he fear for his job?

[67splitscreen]

Wonder when is his next trip to India is?, I'd imagine after speaking with Jones yesterday it will be imminent if what has been reported is true. (this week maybe)

[47er]

Why's his address "Weybridge, Surrey"? What's wrong with Duckworth St or Perone Crescent?

[Gav]

Kean denies drink driving charge.

Kean, 43, was stopped on the M6 in Cheshire on May 14 and gave a breath test reading of almost twice the legal limit, Crewe magistrates heard.

Very interesting. Why would he deny it? Does he fear for his job?

Very strange that one den?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Kean denies drink driving charge.

Kean, 43, was stopped on the M6 in Cheshire on May 14 and gave a breath test reading of almost twice the legal limit, Crewe magistrates heard.

Very interesting. Why would he deny it? Does he fear for his job?

Wonder if he has hired Mr Loophole?

Ok let's say he goes to court in August is found guilty and Venky's decide that he is not suitable to lead the club and he is sacked. That gives us less than a week until the season starts to find a new manager...

[Miker]

Kean denies drink driving charge.

Kean, 43, was stopped on the M6 in Cheshire on May 14 and gave a breath test reading of almost twice the legal limit, Crewe magistrates heard.

Very interesting. Why would he deny it?

The legal limits set for drink driving, the breath test and police rights can all easily come into question and a good lawyer could make a perfectly legitimate defence case to get our friend Kean off the hook. Although given the legal limit in the UK is 0.08... I'm not sure how much of a case Kean might have if he was around 0.15 at the time. I'd be interested to know what his defence will be and if it's successful.

[den]

Very strange that one den?

If I was his advisor, I would have told him to accept a ban and get on with running BRFC.

To me, it is a strange one Gav. It appears as though he's got more than a a driving ban to worry about.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Wonder if he has hired Mr Loophole?

Ok let's say he goes to court in August is found guilty and Venky's decide they do not believe he is suitable to lead the club and he is sacked. That gives us one week until the season starts to find a new manager...

I cant think of any other reason why he wouldn't throw his hand in to what is an absolute offence. Maybe he has hired that slimey parasite who has picked apart Police proceedure.

I'd rather he hold his hands up and took his punishment. He's already brought the club's name into disrepute.

If I was his advisor, I would have told him to accept a ban and get on with running BRFC.

To me, it is a strange one Gav. It appears as though he's got more than a a driving ban to worry about.

Aggravated by him being on the motorway? There could be something in that.

[ada2020]

If I was his advisor, I would have told him to accept a ban and get on with running BRFC.

To me, it is a strange one Gav. It appears as though he's got more than a a driving ban to worry about.

Dont know if your hinting at another offence? But there is a rumour he could well lose his job at BRFCS over the matter, maybe thats playing a part in his plea.

[den]

Dont know if your hinting at another offence? But there is a rumour he could well lose his job at BRFCS over the matter, maybe thats playing a part in his plea.

That's what I'm wondering too ada.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

That's what I'm wondering too ada.

I was thinking potential custodial sentence.

[BuckyRover]

Could someone pm this info or provide a link.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Could someone pm this info or provide a link.

Miker provided one a few posts up.

[BuckyRover]

I see.

I misinterpreted. Thought people were talking about a second offence.

I don't think he will get a custodial sentence.

[67splitscreen]

Maybe there is a previous/similar offence.

Being out of the limelight until recently it probably would have sneaked under the radar.

I always though a positive blood sample was a stone wall guilty as charged.

Losing his job, tough should have thought about that before he set off. (is what the judge will say) not many jurors will have any sympathy. (hope they are not made up of BRFCS members or Dingles)

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I see.

I misinterpreted. Thought people were talking about a second offence.

I don't think he will get a custodial sentence.

I'm no legal eagle so you could be right. However, as if blowing twice the legal limit isn't bad enough, to drive on the motorway with that much on board is playing Russian Roulette with the lives of others.

I've stood Kean's corner to an extent on football matters but not on this.

For the sake of the club I hope he isn't locked up but I dont think that it is beyond the realms of possibility.

All of this pure speculation on my part I might add. Sadly I have no sources.

[Hughesy]

But there is a rumour he could well lose his job at BRFCS over the matter, maybe thats playing a part in his plea.

He is a member of staff on here?? Ok which one is he??? GAV??

[Blue n White Rover]

I'm no legal eagle so you could be right. However, as if blowing twice the legal limit isn't bad enough, to drive on the motorway with that much on board is playing Russian Roulette with the lives of others.

I've stood Kean's corner to an extent on football matters but not on this.

For the sake of the club I hope he isn't locked up but I dont think that it is beyond the realms of possibility.

Steven Gerrard caught on camera battering a DJ after their victory at Newcastle. Frank Lampard speeding at 60mph(or around that) on a 30mph road. Amir Khan convicted for a hit and run.

These are just a few sportsmen that have been let off the hook for crimes a lot worse than Kean's.

I'm sure he's got enough money to get away with a slap on the wrist.

Just typical LET and Rovers fans making something over nothing.

[ada2020]

He is a member of staff on here?? Ok which one is he??? GAV??

I just noticed I put that too, im surprised no one else picked up on it sooner.

Edit time.......lol

Hughesy I have suspected Gav is Kean's BRFCS alter ego for some time.

[Gav]

He is a member of staff on here?? Ok which one is he??? GAV??

Well lets look at the positives, I wasn't 3 times over the limit

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Steven Gerrard caught on camera battering a DJ after their victory at Newcastle. Frank Lampard speeding at 60mph(or around that) on a 30mph road. Amir Khan convicted for a hit and run.

These are just a few sportsmen that have been let off the hook for crimes a lot worse than Kean's.

I'm sure he's got enough money to get away with a slap on the wrist.

Just typical LET and Rovers fans making something over nothing.

Fair enough. I just reckon that drink driving on the motorway is pretty heinous. However, the guy hasn't had his day in court yet.

[47er]

Losing his job, tough should have thought about that before he set off. (is what the judge will say) not many jurors will have any sympathy. (hope they are not made up of BRFCS members or Dingles)

He'd stand a better chance with the Dingles!

[Mercer]

Fair enough. I just reckon that drink driving on the motorway is pretty heinous. However, the guy hasn't had his day in court yet.

I think that we might just have something in common after all!

[Miker]

I always though a positive blood sample was a stone wall guilty as charged.

Normally yes and by all means that should be the case, so that a precedent is set. However, your BAC level (whatever it is) has to implicate you in reckless driving for it to be considered an offence. Although normally being over the legal limit is enough to prove the case, in reality it's not. The government sets the legal limit based on a review of various studies done on the effects of alcohol on driving, reaction time etc. They will then come to a conclusion based on the most 'significant' results. Depending on who's in charge, they will choose to set it at different points and for different reasons ie. in Australia it's 0.05 and in UK it's 0.08.

Basically, the studies they base their conclusions on are NOT stone, cold fact and in fact there would be several people doing the test that show that they don't have their driving skills/reaction time affected at a particular BAC level. If the alcohol is not affecting the person's driving skills then the person is essentially not recklessly driving and doesn't have the intent to harm others, so it can't be classed as an offence. And remember, courts are there for 'ordinary' folk to challenge established laws.

In short, as per our judicial system, a person has to be proven to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt and it can be argued against quite easily based on existing research (and I haven't even covered various other factors that may come into the equation). I'll say here that I would not be surprised at all if people are indeed affected differently as far as BAC is concerned, however, the law needs to be a one-size-fits-all solution, so everyone should be punished equally, otherwise anyone can start using the same excuse to get away from their crimes.

From the effects research I've looked at before related to alcohol and driving, I have to say that I don't recall any studies concluding that a person is not affected by alcohol past the 0.10 level. So if Kean was indeed at around the 0.15 level, I would be interested to hear what his defence is. They would obviously have to bring more arguments into it to make their case.