[Archived] Steve Kean

[sambo]

Fair point, but doesn't make much of a difference to the point of the post.

Agreed.

I don't see how people can dispute the job Sam did, especially with the state we're in now.

[tony gale's mic]

Modes: I never said it needing changing now. TGM talked of why change SA in when it got to the summer when he was capable. For a club to move forward everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction. Venkys what to play attractive passing football, SA has failed to be that sort of manager at every club he has been at. Like i say, SA was effective against certain teams in his tactics (i say certain teams, because we saw on so many occasions we had no plan .

And the hoofball label wasn't rubbish, we were dire and route one for 80% of his tenure. People who i know who used to have us as a second team lost interest after seeing the toss served up as football on the odd occasion we were on tele or they came up for a game with me.

TGM: In general, if you want people to respect your opinion and enjoy a debate, get your head out your arse and drop the snide comments...

But i think sparkspakespoke's post sums up SA tenure very well.

Venky's are not football people. If they want us to play attractive passing football then they can give whoever is in charge a £40 million war chest. For starters. Until then what Venky's want shouldn't be part of the argument, and if they're sacking Sam for not playing attractive football on a small budget it's them that's the problem and not Sam. Considering how much money has been thrown at City they play some very dull football, but you don't see Sheikh Mansour demanding the style change no matter how much has been spent. You do however see them demanding results and success.

Who cares about what other people who had us as a second team think?

And thanks for the advice, but some posts seem to miss the point completely and I'm going to keep pointing that out all the same. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

[den]

Of course quality will tell, but the way a manager sets a team up and makes them play does have a large bearing on it. If proof is needed look at the football bolton play now under coyle compared to that of megson with largely the same group of players.

Yes, I saw it against us when we completely outpassed them under Allardyce. A bit of a fallacy that they play this quality passing game. Whenever I've seen them, they still use the long ball to Kevin Davis. Burnley's passing game under Coyle was a fallacy as well. The media/Coyle/ Burnley fans were all convinced they outplayed us at Ewood - but watch the replays, they did nothing of the sort.

[sparkspakespoke]

Yes, I saw it against us when we completely outpassed them under Allardyce. A bit of a fallacy that they play this quality passing game. Whenever I've seen them, they still use the long ball to Kevin Davis. Burnley's passing game under Coyle was a fallacy as well. The media/Coyle/ Burnley fans were all convinced they outplayed us at Ewood - but watch the replays, they did nothing of the sort.

No they didn't! Unfair to judge on the derby games though they age full of so much passion the finesse gets lost. Coyle's teams do play some good stuff.

[tony gale's mic]

Coyle is still early on in his career though. For what it's worth I think he will make a great manager but having said that there's so many names who have looked like great prospects for a couple of seasons then fallen by the wayside.

But even if Coyle does end up fulfilling his potential, using one of the very best managers around to judge Sam by is still a fundamentally unfair benchmark. No sensible team sacks its perfectly good manager on the off chance they might find someone a bit better.

[Mercer]

And Sam had never been involved in so much as a relegation fight since his first couple of seasons after getting Bolton promoted (when it was expected they'd struggle), he certainly had Newcastle looking very safe from relegation before they fired him and subsequently got relegated, so to suggest there was a realistic chance he'd get us relegated this season flies in the face of everything he'd achieved previously.

History has a very cruel knack of repeating itself.

It amazes me that people can write rubbish like this and think they're occupying some sort of "sensible middle ground".

Sam's first season was all about saving us from the horrors of the Ince debacle. Which he did pretty comfortably in the end.

His second season was all about stability and pointwise we were as close to the Champions' League as we were to 17th.

What on earth more did you expect from someone with a limited squad and a negative transfer budget? Surely mid table security in the second season was all we could have hoped for?

And nothing in his career showed he could take the club further? How about multiple European qualifications with Bolton and missing out on a Champions' League spot with them by a whisker one season?

The league is tougher now, there's more teams with far more money these days so I doubt he would've done the same with us. But to demand more than mid table security from ANY manager with the resources is a totally unrealistic expectation and doesn't occupy any sort of sensible middle ground.

The most sensible and relevant post that I've read in ages on this subject.

[sparkspakespoke]

Coyle is still early on in his career though. For what it's worth I think he will make a great manager but having said that there's so many names who have looked like great prospects for a couple of seasons then fallen by the wayside.

But even if Coyle does end up fulfilling his potential, using one of the very best managers around to judge Sam by is still a fundamentally unfair benchmark. No sensible team sacks its perfectly good manager on the off chance they might find someone a bit better.

No they dont, you're right. I, personally think there are better managers out there than sam. However sacking him without one lined up was criminal, doing it when all you have is kean lined up who is inferior is insane.

We could argue all night about sam and his record or his potential to progress a team but I guess it time to leave it now and start praying for a win tomorrow as thats all that matters now. Our season and maybe future rest on it.

[Mercer]

There is a big difference between the football Hughes and Allardyce played yet they both could be said to be playing to our strenghts. The difference is in the details, they both wanted their teams to physically compete but Hughes set us up to attack in a way that was better to watch and more successful.

I do of course realise that man for man we had a far better team under Hughes, however when he took over we were just as bereft of talent and Hughes built a team through outstanding work in the transfer market.

Hughes did a great job for us, however, some people look at his era through rose tinted specs. His first half season, when he saved us from relegation, was at least as 'ugly' as any of Sam's teams. His last half season was absolute shyte including a shameful capitulation at St Andrews when a place in Europe was at stake.

[Kelbo]

Kean on T/V tonight 'Granada Reports' still on about a 10th place finish!!

I wish he would take the old route of, 'take each game as it comes'

He really is a 'Talker' rather than a 'doer'

[jim mk2]

He really is a 'Talker' rather than a 'doer'

It's a called bullshit. The workplace is full of them - and they always get found out in the end.

[47er]

Crystal ball eh 47er.

I actually think we would have done better than that because the first 17 games looked harder than the next 17. We certainly wouldn't have been bricking it at the thought of playing Blackpool at home.

However no crystal ball involved because I wrote "if" we had continued the same way. What reason was there to think we wouldn't?

[imy9]

Loss of form, injuries, dud signings not working, that sort of thing- that and the fact that the league has been the most unpredictable one that I can recall.

[47er]

Loss of form, injuries, dud signings not working, that sort of thing- that and the fact that the league has been the most unpredictable one that I can recall.

We were going along fine. No reason to suppose that would have changed. I'll leave it at that.

[Exiled in Toronto]

TGM's idea of a debate:

1) describe in 600 posts why he thinks Sam is a top 6 manager (but mysteriously still unemployed - again)

2) Insult everyone (mistakes arrogance for wit)

3) Mention for the 113th time he is a doctor (albeit an extremely junior and inexperienced one)

4) and all in a thread about Steve Kean

Excellent work on raising the quality of the board!

[Billy Castell]

Fancy getting away from it all Steve, and returning to the Ricoh Arena?

[ada2020]

Hughes did a great job for us, however, some people look at his era through rose tinted specs. His first half season, when he saved us from relegation, was at least as 'ugly' as any of Sam's teams. His last half season was absolute shyte including a shameful capitulation at St Andrews when a place in Europe was at stake.

You really begger belief you dingle moron!!!!!!!!!

Hughes first season was centered around saving us, that involves digging deep and kicking people if needed. He was and still is a quality manager, certainly the best we have had in the last ten years or so.

Shut the hell up and do one, your never a rovers fan, (Please don't use that word again) all good to say about anything blue and white since you joined the board, ####!!!!!

[rebelmswar]

You really begger belief you dingle moron!!!!!!!!!

Hughes first season was centered around saving us, that involves digging deep and kicking people if needed. He was and still is a quality manager, certainly the best we have had in the last ten years or so.

Shut the hell up and do one, your never a rovers fan, (Please don't use that word again) all good to say about anything blue and white since you joined the board, ####!!!!!

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

[ada2020]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

What?

[jim mk2]

TGM's idea of a debate:

1) describe in 600 posts why he thinks Sam is a top 6 manager (but mysteriously still unemployed - again)

2) Insult everyone (mistakes arrogance for wit)

3) Mention for the 113th time he is a doctor (albeit an extremely junior and inexperienced one)

4) and all in a thread about Steve Kean

Excellent work on raising the quality of the board!

Exiled in Toronto's warped view of the world.

1) never misses an opportunity to say why he thinks Sam is a poor manager.

2) denigrates anyone who provides a convincing argument why Sam is a good manager

3) mentions for the umpteenth time the declining quality of the board without offering much of substance himself

4) and in view of Rovers' collapse in recent months is probably feeling a little sheepish and stupid at supporting the Venky's takeover and the dismissal of Sam.

[rebelmswar]

What?

Vicious is all.

That was a canonaide of contempt.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Exiled in Toronto's warped view of the world.

1) never misses an opportunity to say why he thinks Sam is a poor manager.

2) denigrates anyone who provides a convincing argument why Sam is a good manager

3) mentions for the umpteenth time the declining quality of the board without offering much of substance himself

4) and in view of Rovers' collapse in recent months is probably feeling a little sheepish and stupid at supporting the Venky's takeover and the dismissal of Sam.

You'r hallucinating old man. I haven't posted about Sam since the day he was sacked. Nor have I given him much thought, any more than I have Furphy, Lee or any other of our past managers. No point. I also have not posted support or otherwise about Venky's. I might have posted a bit about how the Trust might have been expected to do their job and find a decent buyer.

My main contribution is not repeating myself, which I'm sure you will appreciate more than most.

In the meantime, pray tell us again how we would have been doing under Allardyce.

[ada2020]

Vicious is all.

That was a canonaide of contempt.

Read his posts, never anything good to say.

Only joined when venkys bought us and hasn't stopped bitching since, I'm all for an opinion but the guy is a troll.

Sorry if I offended you, but I'm not alone with this line of thought.

[rebelmswar]

Read his posts, never anything good to say.

Only joined when venkys bought us and hasn't stopped bitching since, I'm all for an opinion but the guy is a troll.

Sorry if I offended you, but I'm not alone with this line of thought.

I understand, he is a very negative person it seems. Probably will complain about the color of the blue on the strip next season.

I just thought that such a tirade was worthy of a daaaaaaaaaaamn is all.

You can not offend me, I have been sniped at by tashor, I can take anything.

Except Andrews.

[Steve Moss]

Wow, Lawro has us to win!

Lawro

That's it, we're doomed.

Kean on Phil Jones below – why would you want to convince the surgeon otherwise if the surgeon says he is not ready?

“We have to respect if he (the surgeon) says a full Premier League game at that intensity might not be a good idea.

Hopefully we can convince him other wise. There is a chance he will be involved. I will be trying to convince the surgeon he is okay.”

If this article is accurate it only reinforces my contempt for Kean.

. . .Instead, because of the crass stupidity of Desai and her brothers we now face five home games that might well decide our fate not just for this season but possibly for a generation or more.. . .

I share this opinion.

There was no justification for sacking Sam - none whatsoever.

The stupidity of the decision is evident in the situation the club currently finds itself in.

Your stance does not make sense and does you no credit.

Agreed.

Jim, did you see improvement this season compared to last? I'm not interested in reasons for or against, just if you saw improvement.

I've said the same myself, that is middle ground, the Allardyce lovers struggle with the middle ground concept though.

Yes. I thought the squad was improving under Allardyce and have struggled since him.

We are in current position because Kean is NOT up to the job. And the owners WON'T amdit their mistake in appoint Him and they were listen to the advice of their friend who knew what he was doing . We can't blame Big Sam for any of what is going on at the club now!

I wonder what Mrs. Desai's father would think of her football decision making so far?

[BangkokRover]

Kean Fights Chop at Rovers

Yet Kean believes the Indian poultry farmers will stick to their word. He said: "I'm confident, first of all because of the terms of the 2½-year contract I signed.

"The owners have stated the contract will run for that duration of time, otherwise it would have been pointless me signing it. I have a good relationship with the owners, I also have a very good group of players and a good staff.

"The only pressure I feel is from myself."