[Archived] Steve Kean

[Mattyblue]

Says who imy? Kean himself?

Truth and loyalty in football, do me a favour!

[Iceman]

What Kean's been saying isn't ambition, it's a bunch of psychological babble. Old motivational trick: set your goals high, so that you have more room to fall. Supposedly with the idea that if we set our goal for 15th place then we would either reach 15th or lower, but if we set it for 5th then we could finish either 5th or lower.

Just keep saying it and people will believe it's true, no need to actually tell us about any plan they have to get us there.

He's saying that we can go from a relegation-threatened club to Champions League football within 3-4 seasons, but he's skipping everything in between.

To quote the underpants gnomes:

"First step: steal underwear. Second step........ Third step: PROFIT!!!"

should he come out and say, uhm we will be relegated in 3-4 years time? maybe a bit too ambitious, but its at least a positive attitude

[Mattyblue]

No, you say you want to progress the club, 'play football the right way', get up the table, no more relegation scraps etc.

You don't go on White Van Man Radio and bang on about the Champions League.

[S15]

No, you say you want to progress the club, 'play football the right way', get up the table, no more relegation scraps etc.

You don't go on White Van Man Radio and bang on about the Champions League.

This discussion is pointless, because it's all personal. If Hughes took over and said that in three or four years we want to be in the Champions League half of you wouldn't be able to see your computer screens for all the cum.

[Stuart]

This discussion is pointless, because it's all personal. If Hughes took over and said that in three or four years we want to be in the Champions League half of you wouldn't be able to see your computer screens for all the cum.

Credibility. Hughes is proven in the game. Whereas Kean is...

Besides, one, Hughes wouldn't say it.

Besides, two, his best mate on Talksport (Alan Brazil) was still cringing 24 hours later about the CL comments.

[Gav]

This discussion is pointless, because it's all personal. If Hughes took over and said that in three or four years we want to be in the Champions League half of you wouldn't be able to see your computer screens for all the cum.

Well I'd not have put it that way s15 but you're spot on.

People have backed themselves into a corner on Kean, some humble pie munching may well take place in the months to come.

[S15]

Credibility. Hughes is proven in the game. Whereas Kean is...

Besides, one, Hughes wouldn't say it.

Besides, two, his best mate on Talksport (Alan Brazil) was still cringing 24 hours later about the CL comments.

Hughes is proven to a point. A hundred million pounds later at City saw a ninth place finish and then him sacked in seventh place.

I have no idea what the spending is. If we spend £40m this window, and then every season start to spend in the double figure millions, you'd have to expect that in three or four years you're closer to the Champions League than relegation. I don't know these things.

All I do know is saying things like this in public is going to capture potential target's attention more than "let's just reach 40 points and see where we go from there."

[jim mk2]

Well I'd not have put it that way s15 but you're spot on.

People have backed themselves into a corner on Kean, some humble pie munching may well take place in the months to come.

He isn't spot on - and neither is Kean, who is talking rubbish about the Champions Ldeague, and you jolly well know it.

Why do you keep defending him just for the sake of it - it doesn't make any sense and you're making yourself look silly. .

[philipl]

Did he say Championship, not Champions League?

[S15]

He isn't spot on - and neither is Kean, who is talking rubbish about the Champions Ldeague, and you jolly well know it.

Why do you keep defending him just for the sake of it - it doesn't make any sense and you're making yourself look silly. .

For the sake of it? Kean has a long way to go, but to suggest that the end of last season didn't mark a massive step in the right direction would be ridiculous.

I like the way he's trying to play, and he's done just enough to have earned a crack at a full pre season, to bring in his own players, and to show us what he can do.

You have to accept that some people are behind the manager, and some people have the brain span to be able to admit when they might be wrong. I was pleased with the way Kean started, but I wanted him sacked after the run of eleven games without a win. However, he finished very well, and the most encouraging sign was the fact that the players were clearly 120% behind him. Getting this kind of support from the players is tough for any manager at any level.

Post any @#/? like 'the players ignored his team talks and did it all themselves' and it will fall on deaf ears; just as it deserves to.

Did he say Championship, not Champions League?

I think it was the same one you said Boro would get into. Not the one they ended up in.

[greco]

has chelsea ever confirmed the kean offer.?

[jim mk2]

For the sake of it? Kean has a long way to go, but to suggest that the end of last season didn't mark a massive step in the right direction would be ridiculous.

I like the way he's trying to play, and he's done just enough to have earned a crack at a full pre season, to bring in his own players, and to show us what he can do.

You have to accept that some people are behind the manager, and some people have the brain span to be able to admit when they might be wrong. I was pleased with the way Kean started, but I wanted him sacked after the run of eleven games without a win. However, he finished very well, and the most encouraging sign was the fact that the players were clearly 120% behind him. Getting this kind of support from the players is tough for any manager at any level.

Post any @#/? like 'the players ignored his team talks and did it all themselves' and it will fall on deaf ears; just as it deserves to.

You're missing the point, which was Kean's ludicrous statement about the Champions League.

Your last sentence may or may not true - but you don't know that the players did not ignore him.

[47er]

He isn't spot on - and neither is Kean, who is talking rubbish about the Champions Ldeague, and you jolly well know it.

Why do you keep defending him just for the sake of it - it doesn't make any sense and you're making yourself look silly. .

Moreover,Gav's forgotten that he advocated that Kean should be replaced over summer!

[S15]

You're missing the point, which was Kean's ludicrous statement about the Champions League.

Your last sentence may or may not true - but you don't know that the players did not ignore him.

I've already addressed the point. We have no idea about the new owners plans. If they are giving us the financial support in this window that has been suggested, and continue to do something similar (or even half as much) in the coming seasons then I'd be disappointed if we weren't aiming for the top four.

Like I say, I'd rather hear that than 'let's stay safe and then see' stuff.

[Majiball]

Loyalty Maji towards Coleman. Real Sociedad offered Kean the managers job when Coleman left and he again turned it down out because he wanted to remain loyal to Coleman.

So out of loyalty he went for the interview, had a chat about it all and sorts out enough for an offer to be made and then declined. Mmm yes loyalty in abundance on display there. If remaining loyal to Coleman was his supposed main concern he wouldn't have even spoken to them.

Is it his chosen term for 'it wasn't right for me'?

I didn't see him decline Rovers to be loyal to Sam.

[jim mk2]

I've already addressed the point. We have no idea about the new owners plans. If they are giving us the financial support in this window that has been suggested, and continue to do something similar (or even half as much) in the coming seasons then I'd be disappointed if we weren't aiming for the top four.

Like I say, I'd rather hear that than 'let's stay safe and then see' stuff.

Dear oh dear. You are living in the same fantasy world as Steve Kean.

A few tens of millions and a decent manager should see us in the top 8 or 10 but to reach the Champions League will need hundreds of millions of pounds to be spent. Do your own research and look at the sums Manchester City have spent to make the step-up from fifth place. Spurs have spent heavily, but stayed in the top for only one season.

Are the owners prepared to spend hundreds of millions of pounds ? They spent £3.5m in the last window so on the evidence so far I would say it is a resounding no.

[PAFELL]

You're missing the point, which was Kean's ludicrous statement about the Champions League.

Your last sentence may or may not true - but you don't know that the players did not ignore him.

I understand that any person coming into the managers job for the first time, needs to start somewhere. They will do things wrong and they will also say some daft things to the media. All of a sudden being in the media spotlight, must be very frightenning at the beginning. Add that to the pressure of a public job, being the manager of a premiership club, where your every move is judged by the media, the players, the fans.

I really hope Kean, does well in the football world. But management for him should start down in the lower leagues. There the pressure is not as great. But Rovers, in my view is the wrong job for Kean, at this moment in time. If our owners want the good players, the big name players to play for Rovers, they have to replace Kean. Because in my view, he is the barrier to the good players coming.

Venkys want success, we want success as do the players for the club. Kean has yet to prove himself to the players. Kean hasn't made a name for himself or gained a decent reputation as a manager as yet. He is still a novice. Rovers is not a training ground for novice managers.

Mark Hughes made a name for himself, first by his playing career. Then as an international manager, then in the premiership with Rovers, Man City, and Fulham. At each of those positions Mark Hughes gained valuable experience and enhanced his reputation / name even further. Some poeple say he failed at Man City. I do not believe so. There was new owners coming in, new players week in week out. Yes they had a lot of draws, but not many defeats.

I believe Mark Hughes is the answer at this moment in time for Rovers. He is also the right man for our owners. But they would have to let him get on with the job his way. Kean though needs to drop down a division or two. He is not ready for the premiership yet. I also believe the pressure may be getting to him - the drink driving charge maybe and indication of that, the daft statements he has been coming out with. I therefore hope for Keans sake, as well as the club, Kean is replaced very very soon with Mark Hughes. Then we will have a successful season next season, Venkys will get their good advertisment for their other businesses which they desire. But they need to act, BEFORE the Hong Kong tour. As I see Rovers being embarrassed over there as things stand now.

Others are entitled to their own opinion, but this is mine. Kean must go, learn his management skills lower down. Mark Hughes to take over.

[Gav]

Dear oh dear. You are living in the same fantasy world as Steve Kean.

A few tens of millions and a decent manager should see us in the top 8 or 10 but to reach the Champions League will need hundreds of millions of pounds to be spent. Do your own research and look at the sums Manchester City have spent to make the step-up from fifth place. Spurs have spent heavily, but stayed in the top for only one season.

Are the owners prepared to spend hundreds of millions of pounds ? They spent £3.5m in the last window so on the evidence so far I would say it is a resounding no.

I don't think Spurs have spent hundreds of millions Jim, but I agree they seem to have spent heavily, but it would be interesting to see the net spend, they’ve recouped plenty also.

At the last transfer window they'd been in charge a matter of weeks, give them time and then judge them.

[den]

I've already addressed the point. We have no idea about the new owners plans. If they are giving us the financial support in this window that has been suggested, and continue to do something similar (or even half as much) in the coming seasons then I'd be disappointed if we weren't aiming for the top four.

Like I say, I'd rather hear that than 'let's stay safe and then see' stuff.

Hang on, this is the problem isn't it? As far as I can see there's nothing so far to suggest they're going to put in more than the 5m per transfer window. The rest is coming from player sales.

If Kean and Venky's are so confident that we can get to the champions league, then they should tell us how they're going to achieve it - tell us what the plan is. They don't have to be specific about the funds that are available. It will take hundreds of millions to get even close to the champions league. If that kind of money is available then it would give far more credibility if someone from Venky's were to communicate to the fans and the players that they can find massive funds and that they can compete financially with the richest clubs in England.

So, on the one hand we have this kind of story - yet on the other we have 5m per transfer window and don't forget how Mrs D's position was when she bought the club. She said we could get there with 5m and a few loans. This is all bullsh1t and they deserve all the criticism they get. Personally, Kean wont even begin to get my support until he stops talking to the fans as though they're a bunch of 5 year olds. Some of us have been around BRFC a lot longer than he has. We know what it takes to reach the top of English football. He obviously doesn't.

As for your last bit in bold, well I simply want the truth from them.

[S15]

Dear oh dear. You are living in the same fantasy world as Steve Kean.

A few tens of millions and a decent manager should see us in the top 8 or 10 but to reach the Champions League will need hundreds of millions of pounds to be spent. Do your own research and look at the sums Manchester City have spent to make the step-up from fifth place. Spurs have spent heavily, but stayed in the top for only one season.

Are the owners prepared to spend hundreds of millions of pounds ? They spent £3.5m in the last window so on the evidence so far I would say it is a resounding no.

How much have Arsenal spent Jim? I'm not saying that we will get there; in all likelihood we won't. But I'm happy that we're aiming for it.

At this moment in time there is plenty of reasons to be more optimistic than in recent times. If you want to scorn that, then do so. The manager has shown potential. If he f***s it up, then sack him, by all means. Why you're not willing to give him a millimetre of a chance I'm not sure.

[Majiball]

Hang on, this is the problem isn't it? As far as I can see there's nothing so far to suggest they're going to put in more than the 5m per transfer window. The rest is coming from player sales.

If Kean and Venky's are so confident that we can get to the champions league, then they should tell us how they're going to achieve it - tell us what the plan is. They don't have to be specific about the funds that are available. It will take hundreds of millions to get even close to the champions league. If that kind of money is available then it would give far more credibility if someone from Venky's were to communicate to the fans and the players that they can find massive funds and that they can compete financially with the richest clubs in England.

So, on the one hand we have this kind of story - yet on the other we have 5m per transfer window and don't forget how Mrs D's position was when she bought the club. She said we could get there with 5m and a few loans. This is all bullsh1t and they deserve all the criticism they get. Personally, Kean wont even begin to get my support until he stops talking to the fans as though they're a bunch of 5 year olds. Some of us have been around BRFC a lot longer than he has. We know what it takes to reach the top of English football. He obviously doesn't.

As for your last bit in bold, well I simply want the truth from them.

Seconded.

[jim mk2]

At the last transfer window they'd been in charge a matter of weeks, give them time and then judge them.

How much time ? I would suggest to the end of this window is long enough because it has been categorically stated that £40 - £50m is available. It would be great if that happens but the owners don't realise to achieve their stated ambitions they would need to spend at least that every window for the next few years. Anything significantly less than £40m and they would be exposed as liars and frauds.

In any case, they would be better splashing out money on a top-class manager before buying any players. A successful structure needs solid foundations.

How much have Arsenal spent Jim? I'm not saying that we will get there; in all likelihood we won't. But I'm happy that we're aiming for it.

At this moment in time there is plenty of reasons to be more optimistic than in recent times. If you want to scorn that, then do so. The manager has shown potential. If he f***s it up, then sack him, by all means. Why you're not willing to give him a millimetre of a chance I'm not sure.

Optimism is fine, but fantasy is deceitful and insulting to supporters. Realism is better because then you aren't disappointed. I hope Kean makes a go of it but I think he's going to have difficulty attracting the better players,

[Hughesy]

If Kean and Venky's are so confident that we can get to the champions league, then they should tell us how they're going to achieve it - tell us what the plan is.

Buy young talent, develop them all the way we always seem to do, but DONT sell them on. Thats a start in the right direction.

Only time will tell, we just need to chill and see how the summer pans out.

[braddock]

If Kean and Venky's are so confident that we can get to the champions league, then they should tell us how they're going to achieve it - tell us what the plan is.

Why?

[Majiball]

Buy young talent, develop them all the way we always seem to do, but DONT sell them on. Thats a start in the right direction.

Only time will tell, we just need to chill and see how the summer pans out.

It's fast approaching 1 year since they bought us and still I read about champions league qualification. We plummeted into the relegation fight staying up on the last day last season never once displaying potential champions league qualification. Almost a year is enough time to learn a serious amount and yet the same drivel as at the start is coming out. We've lost the best young talent we've had for years and he was easily in the top 3 best English young kids for 16.5M, despite 35M being paid for a player with less league experience and 1 cap. We've publically shown we won't keep our word with all the Jones saga ' who told them he had a release clause' (his agent most likely), I thought honour was a big deal in India?

They've had a year almost and given their start you'd think they might have learnt and we'd finally be seeing actions that count and not words.

But we're not are we? On current performances and given their track record to date, more time should be at the bottom of the list.