[Archived] Steve Kean

[A cup of beans]

maj! you just wrote .. formica now a shadow, Rochina we'll see and Jones did alright,

puzzles me..

formica was very impressive in the reserve finals against united and chelsea.

rochina the same against united

and jones was magnificent last season.

i suggest you get footage of all 3 of those players and re-assess.

[Majiball]

To be honest Majiball nothing will change your mind, you've made it up and thats that by the sounds of things.

I'm intrigued by this closed season and transfers, more so that I’ve been for years.

I can see what Venkys are trying to achieve, but they're new to this business and are bound to make mistakes.

I can see the manager wants to play attacking, attractive football, but he's a rookie manager and is bound to make mistakes.

Maybe I’ll look a fool in the coming months for backing both, time will tell.

On a personal note I’m enjoying being a fan again, and that at least is something of a bonus after the past couple of seasons.

One thing will change my mind and that's actions that reflect their words. You see I see more in their we're right stance than most as a person who doesn't reflect on their actions is weak and doomed as without it you don't grow and so consequently they don't learn from their mistakes.

Premier league football showed Rovers last year that when mistakes are being made on all levels, things go very badly. So whilst you hope they learn, I don't see them learning and as such more mistakes at all levels will be made, Jones for example and their reaction to it all.

I want to see people coming into the club who have proven they know what they are doing as as things stand from top to toe we have rookies in premier league football and that is a recipe for disaster.

I don't wish to make you a fool and no-one should be ridiculed for sticking to their believes, It's just I cannot understand why people seem to be writing off the last 10 months. I'm not surprised at all that some fans are excited, we have been starved financially for the last few years and so talk of mega signings and 50 odd million to spend is bound to wet the appetite. But I have never and will never believe that chucking money at it is the way forward as to me it's akin to giving a rookie stoke broker, 50 million to spend on the stock market. If it were me I'd want the best stoke-broker possible as even at 1 billion as a personal fortune, that's 5% of all I have period. Just ask Mike Ashley, bet he wishes he sorted out the back-room etc before before committing his cash.

[Exiled in Toronto]

One thing will change my mind and that's actions that reflect their words. You see I see more in their we're right stance than most as a person who doesn't reflect on their actions is weak and doomed as without it you don't grow and so consequently they don't learn from their mistakes.

Premier league football showed Rovers last year that when mistakes are being made on all levels, things go very badly. So whilst you hope they learn, I don't see them learning and as such more mistakes at all levels will be made, Jones for example and their reaction to it all.

Did you not see an improvement in the latter part of the season?

I do agree with your point about the infrastrucure - not Williams, but the team under the manager. It all goes back to when Hughes was allowed to stack the club with his men and they left en-masse. We've never had the same qaulity there since. Fulham will be finding the same: sacked loads of people to indulge Hughes now are sacking all the Tafia because the new man no doubt sees them as Hughes loyalists. Ludicrous. Kean, like Ince, didn't come with 6 top class men behind him and it'll take quite a while to build the quality back in.

[Gav]

One thing will change my mind and that's actions that reflect their words. You see I see more in their we're right stance than most as a person who doesn't reflect on their actions is weak and doomed as without it you don't grow and so consequently they don't learn from their mistakes.

Premier league football showed Rovers last year that when mistakes are being made on all levels, things go very badly. So whilst you hope they learn, I don't see them learning and as such more mistakes at all levels will be made, Jones for example and their reaction to it all.

I want to see people coming into the club who have proven they know what they are doing as as things stand from top to toe we have rookies in premier league football and that is a recipe for disaster.

I don't wish to make you a fool and no-one should be ridiculed for sticking to their believes, It's just I cannot understand why people seem to be writing off the last 10 months. I'm not surprised at all that some fans are excited, we have been starved financially for the last few years and so talk of mega signings and 50 odd million to spend is bound to wet the appetite. But I have never and will never believe that chucking money at it is the way forward as to me it's akin to giving a rookie stoke broker, 50 million to spend on the stock market. If it were me I'd want the best stoke-broker possible as even at 1 billion as a personal fortune, that's 5% of all I have period. Just ask Mike Ashley, bet he wishes he sorted out the back-room etc before before committing his cash.

I think I'll give up at this stage, and agree to diagree

[Exiled in Toronto]

Interesting and highly inflammatory fact: Kean is the first manager since Kenny under who we have not spent any time in the bottom 3!

Actually, what is more interesting is that under Harford, Parkes, Hodgson, Kidd, Souness, Hughes, Ince and Allardyce we were in the bottom 3 at some stage

[Gav]

Interesting and highly inflammatory fact: Kean is the first manager since Kenny under who we have not spent any time in the bottom 3!

Actually, what is more interesting is that under Harford, Parkes, Hodgson, Kidd, Souness, Hughes, Ince and Allardyce we were in the bottom 3 at some stage

Oh no you've gone and done it now

[47er]

Interesting and highly inflammatory fact: Kean is the first manager since Kenny under who we have not spent any time in the bottom 3!

This is one occasion where I agree we should give Kean more time!

[Parsonblue]

This is a new regime, looking at bringing better players in, we SHOULD be looking higher shouldn't we? Maybe not top 4, but nothing wrong with ambition in my book.

I think the next few weeks will be interesting to say the least, with one of Europe’s hottest goal scorers on the radar, bringing him in would setout the clubs intentions, and put us on the map, let’s hope Kean can pull this off.

Exciting times.

The point I was making, which you appear to have missed, is that Kean is continually talking about the Champions League. Unless we can match the resouces and infrastructure of United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs then talking about achieving a Champions League place is leaving himself open to ridicule. As I said, the two teams who miss out on the Champions League spots will, in all probablity, claim the Europa places via the League. That leaves a getting to a Cup Final, winning or losing to a Champions League club, or the "Fair Play" place as the likely means of getting into Europe.

That's not lacking ambition but that's the reality of the Premier League as it is today. Outside of the top six, any club could have a poor season and be relegated and any club could have a decent run and finish in the top eight.

Basically, the best the Rovers can hope for would be a top ten or top eight finish. In other words, well away from the relegation battle but not close enough to the European places in the League. In other words mid-table security.

[Exiled in Toronto]

This is one occasion where I agree we should give Kean more time!

Chortle!

[onlyonejackwalker]

Interesting and highly inflammatory fact: Kean is the first manager since Kenny under who we have not spent any time in the bottom 3!

Actually, what is more interesting is that under Harford, Parkes, Hodgson, Kidd, Souness, Hughes, Ince and Allardyce we were in the bottom 3 at some stage

Hardly inflammatory fact unless scraping the bottom of the barrel for something remotely positive to relate to Kean.

[Parsonblue]

Yes I am comparing Keans comments to Jacks. How dare I eh?

The WHOLE WORLD laughed, not just ginger and scotch gobshites on Talkcrap, at Jack when he said he was going to turn a SECOND DIVISION team languishing in the bottom half of the table into Football League Champions within 5 years......and he did it with a year to spare.

Just like with Jack the media muppets are laughing at Kean. I am in no way saying we are going to achieve what Kean claims, but there is nothing wrong with setting goals in life. Set the ambition bar to 'bare minimum' and you are more likely to fail.

The difference was that Jack had the means to back up his claims. He was well known within the town and supporters who knew Jack certainly didn't take his claims lightly. In the town he was known as a guy who had succeeded in business and most believed that he would change the Rovers out of all recognition.

Kean, on the other hand, is making the club a laughing stock with his claims that we are on the verge of breaking into the top four. This is a manager who managed to win two games in three and a half months last season. Jack had a track record to back up his ambitions - Kean doesn't.

I've no problem with ambition but it needs to be built on solid foundations. Jack also had the good sense to make sure he brought in a management team in Dalglish and Harford who could attract the best players, thanks to Kenny, and coach them, thanks to Ray, into a successful team. Both had excellent track records, whereas we have Kean and Jensen.

[Gav]

The point I was making, which you appear to have missed, is that Kean is continually talking about the Champions League. Unless we can match the resouces and infrastructure of United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs then talking about achieving a Champions League place is leaving himself open to ridicule. As I said, the two teams who miss out on the Champions League spots will, in all probablity, claim the Europa places via the League. That leaves a getting to a Cup Final, winning or losing to a Champions League club, or the "Fair Play" place as the likely means of getting into Europe.

That's not lacking ambition but that's the reality of the Premier League as it is today. Outside of the top six, any club could have a poor season and be relegated and any club could have a decent run and finish in the top eight.

Basically, the best the Rovers can hope for would be a top ten or top eight finish. In other words, well away from the relegation battle but not close enough to the European places in the League. In other words mid-table security.

I didn't miss your point, I fully understood it, and Kean doesn't "continually talk about the Champions League" either.

If the manager thinks we'll qualify for the champions league thats fair enough in my book. Do I think that will happen anytime soon? No I don't, but I'd much rather him make claims of grandeur, than the usual survival line thrown out by previous managers.

I don’t care what other supporters think, I don’t care what the media thinks or that we’re being laughed at, we’ve proven them all wrong before, maybe we could do it again.

[den]

If the manager thinks we'll qualify for the champions league thats fair enough in my book.

To some posters on here Gav, currently anything is acceptable.

The truth is of course, that it's simply not credible and neither is Kean when he says ridiculous things like that. He's showing himself to be deluded. Hate to say it because it's reverting to history, but if the previous manager had said these things you would have been on him like a sack of spuds.

[Gav]

To some posters on here Gav, currently anything is acceptable.

The truth is of course, that it's simply not credible and neither is Kean when he says ridiculous things like that. He's showing himself to be deluded. Hate to say it because it's reverting to history, but if the previous manager had said these things you would have been on him like a sack of spuds.

As I've already said, nothing wrong with aiming high Den, we all may not think it possible, but you just never know.

Cruz mentioned the Walker revolution, fans and media alike mocked little old Blackburn Rovers, "deluded them whippet lovers" how wrong they were. Different times granted, but try the glass half full approach, it’s much better than the half empty I can tell you.

[BuckyRover]

To some posters on here Gav, currently anything is acceptable.

The truth is of course, that it's simply not credible and neither is Kean when he says ridiculous things like that. He's showing himself to be deluded. Hate to say it because it's reverting to history, but if the previous manager had said these things you would have been on him like a sack of spuds.

Just to remind us of the illuminating things Sam used to say in his efforts to big up the name of Blackburn Rovers (his employers):

“I’m not suited to Bolton or Blackburn, I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid. It wouldn’t be a problem to me to go and manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time.

Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn’t be a problem. It’s not where I’m suited to, it’s just where I’ve been for most of the time. It’s not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it.”

Which is more deluded, Kean saying we are aiming for the Champions League in 3 to 4 years, or that above?

 

I suppose den was going crazy when Sam said it as he was belittling us in a Premiership pre match press conference.

Cue:

"it was taken out of context!"

Lol

[den]

You've just proved my point Bucky.

Thanks.

As I've already said, nothing wrong with aiming high Den,

Absolutely not Gav. This is delusion though. Still some of us like it.

[BuckyRover]

You've just proved my point Bucky.

Thanks.

Absolutely not Gav. This is delusion though. Still some of us like it.

Are you saying you are critical because of who said it, not what was said?

I happen to think what Kean said is more realistic and more in tube with what a Blackburn Rovers manager should be saying. Sam was just talking about himself (for a change)

[den]

Which is more deluded, Kean saying we are aiming for the Champions League in 3 to 4 years, or that above?

Kean saying we will be in the champions league [not as you say "aiming" for the champions league] within 4 years Bucky, is far more deluded than anything any other manager has ever said. Possibly more than any other manager, at any other club.

[BuckyRover]

There is no point arguing with you. I'm just going to use your tactic:

You have proved my point exactly.

[LeChuck]

Which is more deluded, Kean saying we are aiming for the Champions League in 3 to 4 years, or that above?

He said he was "sure" we would get there. That's a very different thing.

[BuckyRover]

He said he was "sure" we would get there. That's a very different thing.

Ok I will rephrase it. Which is more ridiculous and detrimental to Blackburn Rovers.

What Kean said or Sam saying he isn't suited to a Blackburn or a Bolton and if given a big club would win the double EVERY season? Has any manager in the history of football won the double every season? How many have won it two seasons in a row?

How many teams have finished in the top 4? Nobody knows what the premiership will look like in four years. Another financial crisis could wipe some of the big boys out. We all know Utd are going to go bust soon (!)

Do I think we will?

No.

Am I going to have a go at him for trying?

No.

Will I accept a poor start after all this bluster?

No

[John]

Why is this about Sam again Bucky, you really have a problem with him don't you?

He (Sam) made his comments tongue-in-cheek anyway.

Just accept Sam did a good job for us and move on.

[BuckyRover]

Why is this about Sam again Bucky, you really have a problem with him don't you?

He (Sam) made his comments tongue-in-cheek anyway.

Just accept Sam did a good job for us and move on.

We are talking about our manager making ridiculous comments.

How is that not relevant?

Ah yes. Because it was tongue in cheek. So much so he had to withdraw his comments a week later.

It's a comparison between things managers say and how they are reacted to. They were laughing in the media at what Kean said, they also laughed about what Sam said. It was headline news on SSN iirc.

Yet it's not relevant.

That's me told.

[bellamy11]

Kean saying we will be in the champions league [not as you say "aiming" for the champions league] within 4 years Bucky, is far more deluded than anything any other manager has ever said. Possibly more than any other manager, at any other club.

Probably about as deluded as thinking the 14th-placed team in 2006/07 would end up in the Champions League:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_FA_Premier_League#Final_league_table

I think it's complete nonsense too, but I couldn't care less what our manager says. I couldn't care less what other fans say, or what pundits say, or what journalists say. Kean can say what he wants, and it has no effect on me. Why not? Who really cares? It's his right. Seems actually like I'm in a tiny minority in this respect.

[Miker]

The truth is of course, that it's simply not credible and neither is Kean when he says ridiculous things like that. He's showing himself to be deluded. Hate to say it because it's reverting to history, but if the previous manager had said these things you would have been on him like a sack of spuds.

Exactly, den. Only a few months ago the same people saying it's realistic for Kean to take us to the top 4-5 in 3-4 seasons were saying that we would be unable to progress further under Sam and would keep fighting for survival or a mid-table finish. This to me makes no sense and personally, I can't take their statements seriously because I don't know if they actually believe them or are just saying it to annoy the "pro-Sam crowd".

Personally, I think both managers could help the club progress with the right investment, but whereas I saw a steady, sensible long-term plan with Sam, I only see uncertainty with Kean. I loved it when Sam came in after the Ince debacle and said outright: I will ensure survival, we will make sure to retain our Premier League status first and then we can start building our foundations for the future. This simply does not compare with the fluff Steve comes up with. 3-4 seasons? A bit confident of himself if he thinks he'll be here this long. I just want to know what he's going to try and achieve in the next 1-2 seasons and how. He says things people want to hear, but are completely unrealistic. It's all well and good to tell us that he wants to play flowing, attacking football to get the fans off their feet and keep it tight at the back to make sure we get the results, but how he's going to achieve both and more remains to be seen. Fact is, he was rarely able to do either last season.