[Archived] Steve Kean

[47er]

You have time to count the lines but you still can't post a reasoned reply to the point I was making? Messageboards are clearly not for you.

I can see you struggle with metaphor, so I'll make it a bit simpler for you: Kean talks bunkum and makes you, me and the rest of the club and fans a laughing stock without being able to back up his words with actions or a record of achievement, yet you take cheap shots at my posts pointing this out, just because you don't agree?

Jog on.

The sad thing is I get the impression he thinks he's amusing!

Well, he is in a way, come to think of it.

[Gav]

A comparison between Kean and Villas-Boas was made earlier, but the thing that struck me about Villas-Boas is that he has recently come out and talked about the good things Ancelotti has left behind at the club and how he's hoping to build on that. Whether that is actually the case remains to be seen, but that to me is absolutely key, to take control of a team that has been doing well and instead of completely re-shaping it, simply seeking to build on it. Continuity ensures a club can continue to progress because re-shaping the squad means a period of uncertainty and inconsistency that a club like ours simply cannot afford.

Funnily enough, this was the only reason I was willing to give Kean a chance initially because I felt that being part of Sam's backroom staff, he would continue the good work started before him, but as we've gone along, I'm finding more and more that rather than build on the solid foundations already established at this club, Kean is looking to "re-shape it in his own image" as per his own words. In fact, Kean's initial attempts to change the style of play last season was a failure and it wasn't until he reverted to Sam's tactics that we started to gain some momentum. This isn't due to Sam being some tactical genius, but the tactics he came up with for this team, especially at home, were successful and fitted in well with the squad mentality. Mainly because it built on the style of play and tactics we had under Hughes, something that Ince failed to do.

The concern for me here is that if we were to lose not only Jones, but Samba as well, the key components to our team would be gone and we would have to do a lot of rebuilding to get our club back on track to be a top 10 competitor. Since I, and many others, remain unconvinced by Kean... this remains to be a risk that we didn't need to take. Given Kean has been given a 3-year contract and still has 2 and a half years of it to go, I want him to do well, as sacking him and starting again would just be a pointless exercise and set us back further. This was one of the reasons that I didn't want Sam sacked back in the 09/10 season when we had a terrible run of form and calls for him to get the sack were growing quickly. To me, continuity at any club is key and incredibly important.

So it remains to be seen what Kean can achieve, but he needs to atone for a number of mistakes that have been made so far. If he plans to re-build the team in his own style, as I'm sure he does, then he needs to decide how he's going to go about it and whether building from the back is what he wants to concentrate on first, or whether he wants us to become a force to be reckoned with up front. Telling us he'll be having us play flowing football while keeping things tight at the back and challenging for top 5 is just a rubbish throwaway line that means nothing to me as a fan. Personally I don't care what he says in the media, as long as he gets the right results on the pitch, but when he's not getting the right results and goes out talking rubbish in public then we have a problem.

I believe I'm being completely reasonable with my assessment of Kean above, but people are free to disagree and I won't mind. I am hoping that this gives at least some insight into why people are so critical of Kean and can be respected for their views, rather than attacked for them.

Its extremely rare these days that we get posts which are well thought out, with rational arguments, and offer an insight into how a poster sees the current situation.

This is the sort of thing that was commonplace only a few years ago before the cranks descended upon us

Regardless of that, great post Mike, I don’t agree with some of what you say, but great post

[cruz]

Kean talks bunkum and makes you, me and the rest of the club and fans a laughing stock without being able to back up his words with actions or a record of achievement,

Whilst your metaphor was mildly amusing, if a little wide of the mark considering the players seemed to be backing him quite nicely towards the end of the season, I don't give a toss what Kean says. As age slowly creeps up on me I have developed a thick skin. A thicker skin than most it would appear. No amount of childish ramblings by some ginger pillock and a fat yourkshire waster on talksport, or a pathetic attempt at a windup by a brainless work colleague will affect me one iota.

One thing is clear it's different from the last regime who set the bar as low as they could. At the end of the day all that matters is the score at the end of 90 minutes, if too many reuslts are unfavourable then Kean is out on his ear, simple as.

Some people seem to have found a whole new meaning to their lives through constant Kean bashing.

[tashor]

If he believes the utter bullsheyiite he comes out with then he is a deluded megalomaniac who will either end up managing barcelona or back in his dismal cage with the only friend left who believes a word he says........

However, if he is afterall a brilliantly cunning man who is disingenuously using the media to balance the opposing needs of keeping his naive employers happy at the same time as persuading leading players to sign for an unfashionable club whilst keeping increasingly bemused Rovers fans on board then he might just be the manager we need ( a truely embryonic Sir alexiclonicus in the making no less............... ).

Only time will tell but for the sake of our future as a leading club we can but pray that the Camp Nou and not a spartan cage in a laboratory becomes the future home of our mad eyed scotsman...................

[cruz]

Who is more deluded? A roikie scotsman saying we can make the Champions League in 3/4 years or an experienced midlander with a rudimentary footballing ethos and not one significant managerial honour to his name saying Real Madrid is where he should be?

[Amo]

Who is more deluded? A roikie scotsman saying we can make the Champions League in 3/4 years or an experienced midlander with a rudimentary footballing ethos and not one significant managerial honour to his name saying Real Madrid is where he should be?

Well, the argument is that Kean is making a mockery of the club, while Sam was only making a mockery of himself. Although, as an ambassador of the club, at the time, that simply isn't true.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Who is more deluded? A roikie scotsman saying we can make the Champions League in 3/4 years or an experienced midlander with a rudimentary footballing ethos and not one significant managerial honour to his name saying Real Madrid is where he should be?

Some good arguments on this page of this thread from Miker and Jisty. Good shout to Gav as well for his mature comments in reply. Miker sums things up perfectly for me.

As to the 'Anyone But Sam' bloke above. Time to move on charlie and open your eyes and actually see what has happened at the club since Kean took over.

Billionaire owners in place. Huge amounts spent buying the club. Large disposable income supposedly available for new players. Famous names at big money being linked to the club. Talk of breaking our record transfer fee on a new striker.

So why have we shopped at Iceland for the manager?

Imagine if the players being muted were from the semi-pro leagues or Championship 2nd division. Our fans would be in total uproar, but recruit a no-mark with no history to run the club in the top position and the owners not only get away with it, but also have many fans queuing (sp) up to justify the appointment and lend support.

Anyone but Sam eh? Pathetic.

[Mattyblue]

Look at it this way.

Allardyce says that, joe public, talkshite etc go 'that Fat Sam talks a load of @#/?, what a deluded guy he is, Real Madrid? Doubles? Dear me''

Kean says what he says joe public, talkshite etc go 'you heard that Kean bloke?' 'who?', 'you know, Blackburn's manager, he reckons they can get in Champions League, haha what a cretin, like a nomark club like that could ever get top 4, can u imagine them in an empty ground in CL? What crowds do they get 10000? Haha, dear me'.

Hated even writing that. But from experience that is what has and would be said. Wholly distepectful and ignorant of our club, but that is the

modern media and fan you are dealing with.

[imy9]

Keans saving grace is the relationship he has with the players.

Brown has been released but I read an article on Talk sport where he was saying Kean is a fantastic coach, etc etc.

The rest can be put down to inexperience and naivety.

[Stuart]

I don't think anyone is questioning Kean's coaching abilities...

[imy9]

I don't think anyone is questioning Kean's coaching abilities...

Go back a few pages it, a court of law requires less proof than some on here!lol

As poor a run we had last year Kean managed to turn it around and we played some good football at the end of the season, he has some positives.

[Billy Castell]

He sort of turned it around, and the team did enough to stay up. However, his record has been pretty poor, and the onus is on him and the team to get some good results from the start. Especially if we get some of these good players we've been linked to.

[BangkokRover]

To be honest I don't care of the players like him or not.

I want to win games!!! Kean only managed to keep us up and then was hailed by some as master as he did that of course they forget it was him who got us down there in the first place. He reign started with some very winnable games which were not won and were drawn or lost.

10th place is a minimum season or he has failed.

[Majiball]

Keans saving grace is the relationship he has with the players.

Brown has been released but I read an article on Talk sport where he was saying Kean is a fantastic coach, etc etc.

The rest can be put down to inexperience and naivety.

A relationship so strong Jones ran at the first opportunity, despite an offer of 60K+.

I'll start believing he's a fantastic coach when I start seeing signs of it all.

[philipl]

Keans saving grace is the relationship he has with the players.

Brown has been released but I read an article on Talk sport where he was saying Kean is a fantastic coach, etc etc.

The rest can be put down to inexperience and naivety.

There is no doubt Kean is an outstanding coach but he is utterly divisive as a Manager.

[dave birch]

There is no doubt Kean is an outstanding coach but he is utterly divisive as a Manager.

philip, can you provide conclusive proof of that he is "utterly divisive"?

[imy9]

A relationship so strong Jones ran at the first opportunity, despite an offer of 60K+.

I'll start believing he's a fantastic coach when I start seeing signs of it all.

Come on Maji it was Man Utd who came calling. Wrong thread but that deal was all about PJ the apparent Rovers fan. Kean is a very good coach by the sound of it from people in the know on this MB and the noises coming from the players. This obviously does not make him a good manager but it's his first job, he will make mistakes- I don't blame Kean for that but the owners for hiring him.

[Majiball]

Come on Maji it was Man Utd who came calling. Wrong thread but that deal was all about PJ the apparent Rovers fan. Kean is a very good coach by the sound of it from people in the know on this MB and the noises coming from the players. This obviously does not make him a good manager but it's his first job, he will make mistakes- I don't blame Kean for that but the owners for hiring him.

At the end of the day Rovers ballsed up with Jones, the clause was ridiculous given the current market with most hailing it the bargain signing of the summer. We have lost the best young player we have seen in a Rovers shirt since Shearer, because of yet another mistake. I am sick of this line he's (both Kean & Venky's) new and will make mistakes, I put constant mistake making down to a lack of ability of a lack of learning. Look at the likes of Villa Boas (the real new Mourinho), he's new to the game and how many has he made? Why? he knows what he is doing, Kean doesn't and is a fish out of water in the managers role.

People talk about being punished in this league because they made one mistake, that is how unforgiving this level is. So why are we going down the route of sacking/removing people who have a strong track record of getting more right than wrong and replacing them with novices? At this point I'm highly inclined to point out that financially we must be saving a fortune as all these rookies will be on peanuts compared to their predecessors. Pompey MKII was mentioned to me more than once when this lot became involved and given their constant lies I will not believe most things I am told until I see concrete proof of it. If you met someone who lied constantly would you trust them when they promise fields of gold? Not in my book.

Players maybe publically saying one thing but all I'm seeing is the opposite, Jones running asap (why would a fan of Rovers run so quickly? perhaps Kean isn't seen by the kids as the man to develop them? Junior hasn't signed either), Samba still screaming and no Junior deal. All of this ties in with what I am told by people I trust. Kean the supposed new Mourinho is unable to convince them, despite Venky's 50 million and it's all so they can sit on the bench in the champions league, despite Jones being vocal about him wanting 1st team football in the CB position not too long ago. Our owners and manager can bleat on all they want about spending this amount and that, but I believe that the infrastructure of a club is its strongest weapon and ours lies in tatters with Juniors in every position. Some of them could turn out to be the next best young thing, who knows but putting together a team of Juniors spells disaster in my books as there is no substitute for experience and we have none. All it means for me is more mistakes to come and if they are on the scale of Jones, then where will that leave Rovers? Ruined.

The JW saga should have hit it all home for people and yet all because of words about spending some money our fans are all excited. I don't care how much money we spend as long as we stay competitive on the pitch, something we lost last season and almost ultimately suffered for it. JW had only one thing on his mind and that was the best for Rovers, you only had to talk to him for seconds to realise he was one of us a fan, his actions send out a veiled message when combined with his leaving statement, rovers are in serious trouble and most are laughing at us in football. If our owners are serious then they should get serious and start getting people in place who have experience and have achieved what they say we will, provided that is truly what they want?

philip, can you provide conclusive proof of that he is "utterly divisive"?

Our results and performances last year should be sufficient.

[roversmum]

They were. We survived. More than three other 'experienced' managers could do.

Next ...

[Majiball]

They were. We survived. More than three other 'experienced' managers could do.

Next ...

Worst run in how many years?

Experienced premier league manager indeed

Holloway - 12 months

Mcleish - 24 months, but won the league cup

Grant - the king of relegation 36 months

Take a look at the table and at the bottom you'll see all the rookies. I despair at the thought of him getting 38 games.

[braddock]

Worst run in how many years?

Experienced premier league manager indeed

Holloway - 12 months

Mcleish - 24 months, but won the league cup

Grant - the king of relegation 36 months

Take a look at the table and at the bottom you'll see all the rookies. I despair at the thought of him getting 38 games.

At least we'll finish above Chelsea. Their fella hasn't even managed a Premier League game yet.

[Mattyblue]

For me, the appointment of Kean makes as little sense now as it did 6 months ago.

If we take Venky's at face value we are on the cusp of a nee dawn, actually spending the big money that is needed to be truely competitive again. Bilaj has spoken about top 5, cup wins etc.

So why at this critical juncture of the club's history is the vital role of manager given to a complete novice?

SEM links aside it is just unfathonable. Surely even his biggest fans on here must agree to an extent??

Ps I will be supporting him and the players home and away before I get tarred with being 'agenda driven'.

[braddock]

Brendan Rodgers has no Prem experience either.

And Paul Lambert.

Phew, we are safe. Thank God for logic.

[Majiball]

Brendan Rodgers has no Prem experience either.

And Paul Lambert.

Phew, we are safe. Thank God for logic.

So two named and 3 clubs to go down, I wouldn't be claiming to be logical again.

[braddock]

So two named and 3 clubs to go down, I wouldn't be claiming to be logical again.

See post above dearest. Chelski have a new man in too. We are guaranteed to finish 17th, and the longer we keep Kean for the higher up the league we will move. Let the others sack their managers and keep him in for forty years. We'll win every season.