[Archived] Steve Kean

[Kelbo]

15th August. Clever to get his appeal heard when to sack him would cause maximum disruption.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/07/steve-kean-blackburn-drink-driving

The startling thing for me is this, In the States, if you went as a Tourist, you would be stopped at customs and returned home with a court case pending, anyone in Canada know what the laws are there?

[47er]

The startling thing for me is this, In the States, if you went as a Tourist, you would be stopped at customs and returned home with a court case pending, anyone in Canada know what the laws are there?

Indefinite detention!

Well, I can dream can't I?

[Stuart]

That's interesting, so people can arrange their own court dates now, can they? I didn't realise that.

Ok he probably didn't pick the exact date but appealing under the circumstances (which, depending upon the evidence, might be seen as frivolous) means he was putting off the verdict. I'm sure his brief will have known how many weeks the appeal hearing would be likely to take, hence they've bought more time.

[greco]

Footballers who have been jailed for various offences....including our beloved legend.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/there-is-no-hiding-place-behind-bars-for-the-footballers-relegated-to-serving-time-526864.html

thanks trs.

but the link didnt really reveal, what sort of punishmemt a first time offender gets, for a dui offence.

is it normally jail time or a suspended sentence.? there must be some kind of precedence(spelling) in these kind of cases.

NICKO:

if you read this, how have the rao´s taken this.?

As we were bought as a pr/marketing tool, such a case cant be to their likening. Have they hinted anything regarding these matters. Fx if kean is found guilty, with a suspended sentence or found guilty and serving time in jail..?

Does this in anyway interfere with our transfer window, as they might not want to support the manager, if he gets jail time..?

Perhaps this can explain, the reason for a comittee, regarding our transfers or was that always going nto happen.?

[Majiball]

He will get a ban from driving and a fine, no more.

[John]

So why was he given the job, then when it was clear that he was out of his depth a long contract John?

By then it will be too late rvr. The Prem is an unforgiving environment where any weaknesses and mistakes are quickly found out and punished. That Anderson will have to play a blinder to keep his meal ticket in a job.

I have actually been asked, probably around 30+ times, why Kean is our manager (including during business meetings when football is brought up) - perhaps one of the most frustrating questions to be asked. Recently, my reply has been that I can't be bothered to explain it.

[Gav]

He will get a ban from driving and a fine, no more.

....and rightly so, the mans not killed anyone, and hopefully the ban will encourage him to think next time before getting behind the wheel.

Emerton in the local press today signing Keans praises, looking forward to the new season, 2manager has some great ideas which makes things exciting", its a good read.

[Mattyblue]

Didn't all the players sing latdarses praises Gav? Even Ince got the usual brown nosing guff from the players when speaking to the press.

Means nowt.

[Majiball]

Isn't it funny how the players who were on the peripheral under the previous manager and are now getting playing time under the current incumbent are coming out praising him?

[onlyonejackwalker]

Didn't all the players sing latdarses praises Gav? Even Ince got the usual brown nosing guff from the players when speaking to the press.

Means nowt.

Exactly Matty it means absolutely nothing. It is always this way and always will be. It would be a very stupid footballer who went to the press criticising all and sundry, especially the manager temporarily in charge of their career.

Let us hope it is very temporary indeed and the players can then suck up lovingly to the new guy.

[Gav]

Didn't all the players sing latdarses praises Gav? Even Ince got the usual brown nosing guff from the players when speaking to the press.

Means nowt.

I don't recall any player saying exciting times ahead under Allardyce seems to be a theme under Kean though.

[imy9]

Isn't it funny how the players who were on the peripheral under the previous manager and are now getting playing time under the current incumbent are coming out praising him?

To be fair Maji, MGP has not had much playing time and he has been singing his praises, in fact Brown who left has been doing it too!

[Mattyblue]

Eh? 'Best manager they have ever worked with yada yada'

as onejackwalker says when has a player (who wants to play) ever said anything negative?

[John]

Most of the senior players thought Sam was the best manager they have ever worked under - Paul Robinson, in particular could not talk highly enough of the man. Plus he did not have much money to spend to really stir much excitement.

[rebelmswar]

I don't recall any player saying exciting times ahead under Allardyce seems to be a theme under Kean though.

Some think plummeting down from a bridge with a piece of elastic attached to their shins can be quite exhilarating.

I bet the players nuts were in their stomachs last season eh?

[47er]

If we carry on at this rate we'll be saying Kean is as good a manager as Allardyce! Totally laughable. If Kean succeeds at all it'll be because Venkys have thrown money at the club.If they don't Kean is doomed. Sadly so are Rovers.

Don't forget you wanted Kean gone this summer Gav by the way!

[Stuart]

....and rightly so, the mans not killed anyone, and hopefully the ban will encourage him to think next time before getting behind the wheel.

So it doesn't matter if you drink too much alcohol before getting behind the wheel, as long as you are lucky enough not to kill someone? Poor do, GAV. I hope you and yours never suffer as a result of some selfish idiot who thinks like that.

Plus, public figures who break the law should be made an example of. Impressionable kids watch and copy everything football players/management do. If he is found guilty, the punishment should not only deter him but others too.

In other words, throw the book at drink drivers and throw an even bigger big book at famous drink drivers.

Rant over.

[Exiled in Toronto]

The startling thing for me is this, In the States, if you went as a Tourist, you would be stopped at customs and returned home with a court case pending, anyone in Canada know what the laws are there?

Here the law quaintly assumes innocent until proven guilty.

[PAFELL]

....and rightly so, the mans not killed anyone, and hopefully the ban will encourage him to think next time before getting behind the wheel.

Emerton in the local press today signing Keans praises, looking forward to the new season, 2manager has some great ideas which makes things exciting", its a good read.

Having had a chance to plead guilty at an earlier hearing and knocking that back, he has choosen to go for a trial, this would make the punishment greater, if he is found guilty.

Just because he hasn't killed anybody, does not make the offence less of an offence. Just a relief to all concerned he did not kill or cause serious injury. My view is that the punishment should be an automatic minimum one year jail just for being over the limit - no matter how much over the limit. If a person was killed by the drivers actions, then a greater punishment. Fines and drivng bans as well.

[Exiled in Toronto]

If Kean succeeds at all it'll be because Venkys have thrown money at the club.

Of course it will. And by the same logic kenny bought the title as well! Being successful spending money in this money-driven league means being successful.

[Majiball]

To be fair Maji, MGP has not had much playing time and he has been singing his praises, in fact Brown who left has been doing it too!

I guess MGP wants more playing time then.

[PAFELL]

Here the law quaintly assumes innocent until proven guilty.

The law is the same here. But the test that drivers take for checking for alcohol limits, is the same across the board. Kean is accused of being TWICE over the limit. Don't know how many pints or shorts or wine would make a person twice over the limit. But at some stage he must have remembered he was to drive later. He is innocent before being found guilty, as you rightly say.

[Gav]

So it doesn't matter if you drink too much alcohol before getting behind the wheel, as long as you are lucky enough not to kill someone? Poor do, GAV. I hope you and yours never suffer as a result of some selfish idiot who thinks like that.

Plus, public figures who break the law should be made an example of. Impressionable kids watch and copy everything football players/management do. If he is found guilty, the punishment should not only deter him but others too.

In other words, throw the book at drink drivers and throw an even bigger big book at famous drink drivers.

Rant over.

He hasn't killed anyone, and should be dealt with like Joe public, to say he should be made an example of is ludicrous, in my opinion, but I can understand your point of view completely.

Eh? 'Best manager they have ever worked with yada yada'

as onejackwalker says when has a player (who wants to play) ever said anything negative?

Jason Roberts springs to mind, he came out in the press and had a go at Allardyce, numerous players have had a pop at the gaffer.

I think the main point is all the players seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet, exciting times, manager with new ideas new approach, I think thats encouraging.

Don't forget you wanted Kean gone this summer Gav by the way!

Very true, but I can't do anything about the guy staying, so I'm happy to back him.

If he's as bad as everyone thinks, he'll be out by October.

[Majiball]

The law is the same here. But the test that drivers take for checking for alcohol limits, is the same across the board. Kean is accused of being TWICE over the limit. Don't know how many pints or shorts or wine would make a person twice over the limit. But at some stage he must have remembered he was to drive later. He is innocent before being found guilty, as you rightly say.

One pint puts you over the limit, it should just be zero tolerance.

If he's as bad as everyone thinks, he'll be out by October.

Given he's the holder of the worst run in Rovers modern history I wouldn't be so certain of that.

[thenodrog]

One pint puts you over the limit, it should just be zero tolerance.

That is very doubtful unless you are a 10 year old. The old guideline was 2.5 pints of average strength bitter. Obviously anything over 2 pints is gambling a little.

Zero tolerance eh? can of worms. I'd have thought you would have thought things throuigh a little more. If you enjoy a social drink or even a glass or two of wine with your meal Maj how do you personally know when you have absolutely zero alcohol in your bloodstream? Please reply cos I'm intrigued. If you are speeding then it's indefensible cos there is a speedometer under your nose in every car, but where is there a meter showing ones blood alcohol reading?