[Archived] Steve Kean

[tony gale's mic]

But anybody could have kept us up, given some people's logic that if Kean can anyone can. With that as the case we didn't need him or his football.

Throughout Kean's 22 games in charge we showed relegation form.

Throughout Sam's two years in charge we showed top 10 form.

Your posts are a perpetual exercise in utter stupidity.

[braddock]

We 'needed' to keep hold of Mark Hughes, Allardyce mopped up Ince's mess and then some.

True. Then we were ready to move on.

Just because events may transpire that the route chosen regarding replacements and the model the owners have chosen to follow ends up being one without success doesn't change the fact we didn't need him.

And if things are so wrong at the club do you think he would have stopped? You should all just be grateful that he was given the elbow, a saint like him deserves his pay off rather than having to walk out.

[tony gale's mic]

Laudrup should have been the man to replace Hughes. For some reason (jingoism? When have we had a foreign manager?), JW looked to the likes of Shearer, and ultimately Ince. So when the crud hit the fan, they had to turn to good ol' Sam, and pay through the nose for his services. And of course, concoct some story that Allardyce was 'first choice' in the summer but wasn't ready for a comeback.

At the time I was very much in the pro-Laudrup camp.

But since then what has he done?

Sacked by Spartak Moscow and took a Mallorca team which had finished 5th the season before to 17th place.

Think I'm glad we eventually got Sam.

[BangkokRover]

Laudrup should have been the man to replace Hughes. For some reason (jingoism? When have we had a foreign manager?), JW looked to the likes of Shearer, and ultimately Ince. So when the crud hit the fan, they had to turn to good ol' Sam, and pay through the nose for his services. And of course, concoct some story that Allardyce was 'first choice' in the summer but wasn't ready for a comeback.

If I remember correctly the reason Laudrup was not offered the job was he wanted lots of release clauses?

[Amo]

At the time I was very much in the pro-Laudrup camp.

But since then what has he done?

Sacked by Spartak Moscow and took a Mallorca team which had finished 5th the season before to 17th place.

Think I'm glad we eventually got Sam.

You do know Mallorca were declared bankrupt last year?

Laudrup managed to keep them up despite their financial woes.

Sound familiar?

[tony gale's mic]

You do know Mallorca were declared bankrupt last year?

Laudrup managed to keep them up despite their financial woes.

Sound familiar?

Only two or three of their regular starting lineup were different. Yes off the pitch woes will play a part to an extent but when you've got a side which finished 5th the season before that's one hell of a drop.

And he got sacked by Spartak.

[A cup of beans]

Rubbish zac. I wanted him, me dad wanted him, me grandad wanted him, a few of me pals wanted him to name but a few.

People that knew about football recognised a good manager when they saw one. We knew more than 'Aye, Ince is young, English and hungry get him in'.

A hell of a lot didn't want him at the club but don't put words in peoples mouths.

OK.. MATTY! some wanted him. but they werent making their voices heard on here believe me!

if you look back at my views on the ince appointment.. i was terrified!

and i consistantly said we shouldve fired sam after he kept us up!

[Athlete]

STEVE Kean has assured Blackburn Rovers fans he does have a ‘sizeable’ budget to spend this summer as he moved quickly to calm growing frustrations among the Ewood Park faithful.

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Steve Kean toeing the Venkys party line with BS once more

[Jackson]

Throughout Sam's two years in charge we showed top 10 form.

Your posts are a perpetual exercise in utter stupidity.

What position were we in when the fat messiah left?

That is all.

[tony gale's mic]

What position were we in when the fat messiah left?

That is all.

We were 13th; three points off 7th place and with 21 points from 17 games.

Had we carried on at this rate, we wouldve finished up 10th. Again.

You people who like to knock Sam aren't very bright now, are you?

[Andy]

Throughout Kean's 22 games in charge we showed relegation form.

Throughout Sam's two years in charge we showed top 10 form.

Your posts are a perpetual exercise in utter stupidity.

+1000

Fortunately your view (ie the facts) is shared by the majority of Rovers fans.

Those who had, held and maintain a grudge against Big Sam and his apparent 'hoof ball' always had it in for him and will never acknowledge the fantastic work he did in keeping us up undoubtedly against the odds and then re-steadying the ship after the Ince debacle.

[Gav]

Allardyce and his overinflated ego have left the building, that boat has sailed, let’s move on, we have far more worry things to concentrate on surely.

So this Kean fellow, a victim of the clueless owners? Or made his bed and should lie in it?

After reports of a major bust up with the iron lady, I think he’s been peddled a load of lies much in the same way we have.

[davulsukur]

We were 13th; three points off 7th place and with 21 points from 17 games.

Had we carried on at this rate, we wouldve finished up 10th. Again.

You people who like to knock Sam aren't very bright now, are you?

Bit unfair that Blackburn are the only team to be allowed a consistant run of form over the whole season whereas all other teams in the league have to suffer the dips in form. Blackpool would have been a top 10 team based on your first 17 game logic, but they went down.

[Jackson]

We were 13th; three points off 7th place and with 21 points from 17 games.

Had we carried on at this rate, we wouldve finished up 10th. Again.

You people who like to knock Sam aren't very bright now, are you?

You suggested that "throughout" his reign, we had shown top 10 form. He left when we were 13th.

Disregarding personal opinion on the man, your statement was factually wrong.

[tony gale's mic]

Bit unfair that Blackburn are the only team to be allowed a consistant run of form over the whole season whereas all other teams in the league have to suffer the dips in form. Blackpool would have been a top 10 team based on your first 17 game logic, but they went down.

Blackpool followed a very similar pattern to Hull, Burnley and countless other newly promoted teams in recent years.

Similarly if you look at recent seasons Everton usually finish the season a lot stronger than when they start it too.

The logic still stands.

[OJRovers]

Got to remember that Kean had money to spend in January too, last summer Big Sam was only able to bring in Benjani.

[tony gale's mic]

You suggested that "throughout" his reign, we had shown top 10 form. He left when we were 13th.

Disregarding personal opinion on the man, your statement was factually wrong.

Are you even wasting your time posting this?

Throughout his reign, we showed top 10 form, except for when he was sacked 17 games into the 2010/11 season when we were ONE POINT off 10th place. And with a run of some very winnable games coming up.

Is that better for you?

[A cup of beans]

oops wrong thread!

[Mattyblue]

So this Kean fellow, a victim of the clueless owners? Or made his bed and should lie in it?

The second one.

[davulsukur]

Blackpool followed a very similar pattern to Hull, Burnley and countless other newly promoted teams in recent years.

Similarly if you look at recent seasons Everton usually finish the season a lot stronger than when they start it too.

The logic still stands.

Not really, you don't allow for any dip in form for Rovers. Teams form changes throughout the season, as you have said Evertons normally picks up towards the end as did Fulhams.

Your logic gives Rovers consistant form throughout the whole season, based on the first 17 games. As 3 examples have shown, the majority of teams did not show consistant form over 38 games, Rovers would have been no different.

[tony gale's mic]

Not really, you don't allow for any dip in form for Rovers. Teams form changes throughout the season, as you have said Evertons normally picks up towards the end as did Fulhams.

Your logic gives Rovers consistant form throughout the whole season, based on the first 17 games. As 3 examples have shown, the majority of teams did not show consistant form over 38 games, Rovers would have been no different.

That's rubbish.

"Form" isn't half a seasons worth of games. Form is usually calculated over six games, so there's enough time for multiple peaks and troughs in form, as what usually happens with most teams over the course of a season.

Blackpool as I said followed the promoted team example we've seen many times before. Even when Blackpool were riding high most people who had any idea knew they'd be in the midst of a relegation battle come the end of the season. Fulham had Johnson AND Zamora long term injured at the start of the season. They came back in the second half.

The results Rovers had shown under Allardyce wasn't just over 17 games. For the remaining games under Sam in 08/09 we were the 10th best side in the league, in 09/10 we were the 10th best side in the league, and in 10/11 for almost half a season we were a point off being the 10th best side in the league.

And your utterly illogical approach to this discussion can be summed up with the phrase "As 3 examples have shown, the majority of teams did not show consistant form over 38 games" - :lol:

I never realised our league consisted of five teams.

No team shows consistent form, but what a team achieves in the first half of a season is USUALLY a fairly accurate predictor of what theyre going to achieve in the second half. Particularly if they've been achieving that level for the last two years.

[Gav]

The second one.

Yes you could be right Matty, clearly Kean was told he would be getting a substantial transfer budget, he told the media that was the case, but he's been shafted much like the supporters.

If Venkys had said we’d be using the Jones money to pay off debts and we’ll spend 5 million on transfers, most including Kean would have been happy, disappointed by relatively happy. That would have constituted business as usual.

But now we find ourselves in a position where the above is probably true, although I hear we’ve got 8m to spend, but they’ve told untruth after untruth and are not going to win the support back in a hurry.

A reet mess.

[thenodrog]

Quite a few staunch anti-Allardyce people firmly nailed their flag to the Venky's mast the minute that he was removed from the club.

Understandable really that they won't want to retract that until something concrete happens. Well, if you don't count nearly getting the club relegated, that is.

"Sorry, you were right all along and I was completely wrong" seems very difficult to say for some people LeChuck doesn't it?

even more ironic. NO ROVERS FAN WANTED SAM before they hired ince! on here people were raging.. facebook the lot.

people conveniently forget that!

A journalist eh? Tell me does that include re writing history to suit your agenda?

[tony gale's mic]

Yes you could be right Matty, clearly Kean was told he would be getting a substantial transfer budget, he told the media that was the case, but he's been shafted much like the supporters.

If Venkys had said we’d be using the Jones money to pay off debts and we’ll spend 5 million on transfers, most including Kean would have been happy, disappointed by relatively happy. That would have constituted business as usual.

But now we find ourselves in a position where the above is probably true, although I hear we’ve got 8m to spend, but they’ve told untruth after untruth and are not going to win the support back in a hurry.

A reet mess.

This would be true were Kean not totally complicit in the lies being told to the fans.

Like the interview today.

Or last season where he claimed we could challenge for the Champions League before too much time.

He's banging the drum to the same idiotic tune as the owners.

[Black Burn]

Let's not turn this into an Allardyce thread, shall we?

This is about Steve Kean and whether he will be staying or leaving.

As much as I disliked Sam Allardyce, I will not devalue his contributions. Yes, he kept us up, and we finished 10th in the full season he was in charge. Credit to him where it's due.

Now, onto Kean.