[Archived] Steve Kean

[Gav]

Does modern training methods mean giving the chelsea rest boys the afternoons off for shopping and secret adultery??

[Mattyblue]

Bunkum

His first season we qualified for Europe didn't we? So hardly dropping down the league

Second season he wouldn’t change formation or tactics and fell out with the players, wasn’t fitness at all from memory.

We were top of the table at Christmas, we went on a horrendous run in the last 3 months of the season.

[Gav]

We were top of the table at Christmas, we went on a horrendous run in the last 3 months of the season.

I've not looked at the league, where did we finish? in his first season?

[chaddyrovers]

I've not looked at the league, where did we finish? in his first season?

6th that season. Should have been in the top 4 for sure that season.

Darren Peacock was the worst rovers signing I have ever seen.

[cruz]

I meant Rent...obviously

[Gav]

6th that season. Should have been in the top 4 for sure that season.

Darren Peacock was the worst rovers signing I have ever seen.

So hardly fell down the league through lack of fitness then

[Mattyblue]

6th. After nearly going down the year before it was a good season, but after heading into the new year top and looking like title challengers, it was a bit of a anti climax.

Still, sacking Hodgson and replacing him with that Manc plonker was a big, big error, 'dressing room unrest' or not.

[Gav]

I meant Rent...obviously

I never noticed, I just liked the line

6th. After nearly going down the year before it was a good season, but after heading into the new year looking like title challengers, it was a bit of a anti climax.

Still, sacking Hodgson and replacing him with that Manc plonker was a big, big error, 'dressing room unrest' or not.

Seemed a good idea at the time Matty, I for one was all for the appointment

[MarkBRFC]

6th. After nearly going down the year before it was a good season, but after heading into the new year top and looking like title challengers, it was a bit of a anti climax.

Still, sacking Hodgson and replacing him with that Manc plonker was a big, big error, 'dressing room unrest' or not.

Don't think we went into the new year top, second or third if i remember rightly, we were in with a shout though.

Completely agree with the second point, although i do remember at the time there seemed to be a lot of folk happy with the appointment. Even before he was sacked i can't recall there being to much frustration directed towards him, more towards the players.

[LeftWinger]

Don't think we went into the new year top, second or third if i remember rightly, we were in with a shout though.

You remember wrong

We were 2nd on the 28th December 1997

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table/1997-12-28'>http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table/1997-12-28

We finished 6th - getting 17 points from our last 17 games after getting 41 from our first 21.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table

I remember my dad blaming Hodgson - for insisting the goal was to finish in the top 6 - even while we were 2nd in January.

[MarkBRFC]

You remember wrong

We were 2nd on the 28th December 1997

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table/1997-12-28

Judging by that i would say i was correct, i did say "second or third" !

Apart from a few decent performances against Villa & leicester at home & Chelsea away, we really lost the plot in the second half of that season.

[LeftWinger]

Judging by that i would say i was correct, i did say "second or third" !

Apart from a few decent performances against Villa & leicester at home & Chelsea away, we really lost the plot in the second half of that season.

Apologies - I read it as we didn't go in top, second or third!

We were tremendous early on that season - particularly when we put seven past Sheffield Wednesday at Ewood with Ripley on fire.

[den]

You remember wrong

We were 2nd on the 28th December 1997

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table/1997-12-28'>http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table/1997-12-28

We finished 6th - getting 17 points from our last 17 games after getting 41 from our first 21.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/1997-1998/table

I remember my dad blaming Hodgson - for insisting the goal was to finish in the top 6 - even while we were 2nd in January.

So the point is that we did fall down the league after Christmas.

Gav, any comeback on this one?

[Gav]

So the point is that we did fall down the league after Christmas.

Gav, any comeback on this one?

Are you serious?

Hardly falling down the league, 4 places from 2nd to 6th

I was there, home and away, we didn't lack fitness, we lacked tactics.

**Gav waits for TGM to arrive with a stat attack**

[Mattyblue]

The conversation was did Woy's methods mean we ran out of steam in the second part of the season?

The points tally proves we badly lost form after Xmas, if it was due to fitness, morale, who knows?

[Gav]

The conversation was did Woy's methods mean we ran out of steam in the second part of the season?

The points tally proves we badly lost form after Xmas, if it was due to fitness, morale, who knows?

The original point that I was replying too ,which has been lost, was around double training sessions and if the methods are out-dated.

Someone said we did them under Hodgson and its showed, with us falling down the league because of them, but that’s simply not true, especially in his first season.

[Mattyblue]

We DID lose our way badly in the new year. Going from title contenders at Xmas to scrapping into the Uefa Cup on the last day of the season proves that.

[Gav]

We DID lose our way badly in the new year. Going from title contenders at Xmas to scrapping into the Uefa Cup on the last day of the season proves that.

It wasn't down to lack of fitness in my opinion, we got found out tactically, similar to season 2 under Hodgson, he wouldn't change the formation or tactics.

Just my opinion, buts it’s right

Back to Kean.

[Mattyblue]

Could be right, I heard rumblings at the time that Sherwood and others were at constant loggerheads with Woy.

[Kelbo]

I understand Jensen is organising the training and it is three sessions a day.

1 and 3 are fitness and 2 is ball work.

Nzonzi seemed to be more comfortable on the ball and his distribution improved in HK.

It is going to be critical that we have got the pre-season right for the big kick-off because so much else has gone wrong this summer. At KO -9, we have nothing like a PL strength squad currently under contract.

Thats OK for pre season, I would imagine that will change once the season starts and fitness levels achieved, I guess there will be much more ball work introduced next week!!

[Gav]

Could be right, I heard rumblings at the time that Sherwood and others were at constant loggerheads with Woy.

Spot on Matty, he lost the dressing room for sure, then spent a fortune on very average players.

Thats OK for pre season, I would imagine that will change once the season starts and fitness levels achieved, I guess there will be much more ball work introduced next week!!

I always felt that we won the Premiership in part by being much fitter than other teams, never gave them time on the ball, never stopped running.

For a side like ours, good fitness can be worth its weight in gold, or premiership league places come May.

[Kelbo]

Spot on Matty, he lost the dressing room for sure, then spent a fortune on very average players.

I always felt that we won the Premiership in part by being much fitter than other teams, never gave them time on the ball, never stopped running.

For a side like ours, good fitness can be worth its weight in gold, or premiership league places come May.

But and I am sure Majiball will agree, you can overtrain and that can be as bad as undertraining, once fitness has been achieved and you are playing two games a week, you dont need much fitness training, your body should be up to speed, work with the ball, speeding up play and movement etc would be much more beneficial!

Indeed, with two games per week, you would only just recover from the first game when the second game comes along!

[Mattyblue]

But and I am sure Majiball will agree, you can overtrain and that can be as bad as undertraining, once fitness has been achieved and you are playing two games a week, you dont need much fitness training, your body should be up to speed, work with the ball, speeding up play and movement etc would be much more beneficial!

Indeed, with two games per week, you would only just recover from the first game when the second game comes along!

Where's Abbey?

He will go ape when it reads that! '

'Recovery? They are top class atheletes, they should play every day!'

[Gav]

But and I am sure Majiball will agree, you can overtrain and that can be as bad as undertraining, once fitness has been achieved and you are playing two games a week, you dont need much fitness training, your body should be up to speed, work with the ball, speeding up play and movement etc would be much more beneficial!

Yes heard that said many times by managers/ex-pros.

[Majiball]

I understand Jensen is organising the training and it is three sessions a day.

1 and 3 are fitness and 2 is ball work.

Nzonzi seemed to be more comfortable on the ball and his distribution improved in HK.

It is going to be critical that we have got the pre-season right for the big kick-off because so much else has gone wrong this summer. At KO -9, we have nothing like a PL strength squad currently under contract.

I do triple sessions, but never 2 fitness ones. Low intensity training or long duration training can be just as effective.

It all depends on the intensity of the training rather than the frequency/duration, until we know those facts which I doubt we ever will its hard to compare or criticise. Since when did John Terry spouting in the press become gospel too, he is talking up AVB at every opportunity and no doubt Rovers and Villa were two names that came into his head when promoting AVB's methods and criticising other teams.

You should go read periodisation by Bompa and then come back Intensity is not the be all and end all of training, far from it.

Bompa

But and I am sure Majiball will agree, you can overtrain and that can be as bad as undertraining, once fitness has been achieved and you are playing two games a week, you dont need much fitness training, your body should be up to speed, work with the ball, speeding up play and movement etc would be much more beneficial!

Indeed, with two games per week, you would only just recover from the first game when the second game comes along!

Over-training is a nightmare and if it carries on for a long time can be more detrimental than one would suspect, good shout mate.

Where's Abbey?

He will go ape when it reads that! '

'Recovery? They are top class atheletes, they should play every day!'

Recovery is absolutely crucial and I cannot stress that enough.