[Archived] Steve Kean

[PAFELL]

What 'spiked' allegations? Last I heard, someone on here made that one up...

I think it was mentioned during media reports when the trial date was set - not just on here. Put it this way, what other defence could he have for being twice over the limit.

[PAFELL]

Oh yes aint that the truth! Especially against the small minded, petty, pathetic, self righteous and holier than thou rentamob....."let he who is without sin" and all that eh?. Still you won't get that up there in your ivory towers will you boys?

When you have witnessed the damage that drink driving has caused, as I have done, you make a stand against such people. It is not about being without sin etc, none of us are in that position. But we all have responcibilties to ourselves and others. By driving whilst being twice over the limit - as it has been alledged - he was putting himself and others at serious risk. Thankfully the Police stopped him before anybody was hurt.

I drive and I use alcohol, but would not consider getting behind the wheel under the influence of alcohol.

[BiggusLaddus]

I think it was mentioned during media reports when the trial date was set - not just on here. Put it this way, what other defence could he have for being twice over the limit.

Medical condition, tests not carried out correctly, test carried out too soon after drinking, etc.

Rather than passing judgement in advance, based on heresay, pewrhaps we should wait to see what the courts decide?

[cruz]

That's not the BRFCS way. Why wait when you can pass judgement from your ivory tower like a sanctimonious schmuck?

[1864roverite]

just to help you out BL

He was CHARGED because he failed to blow UNDER the legal limit, in fact it is reported he was almost TWICE over the legal limit.

The police do not make simple mistakes with breathalysers these days. Its a fact that if your over the limit you are over the limit. There is NO defence the alcohol is in your system period. The equipment used is top quality these days.

The timing of breath tests is not an issue here. The initial screening test showed he was over the legal limit hence he failed a breath test. That is a guide. The real test is what he blows at the station and it is the LOWER reading that is taken, so one of the two readings he has provided has actually been higher ! That is the evidence for charging.

Experience wise I have yet to see anyone get themselves off a drink driving charge in recent years UNLESS it has been related to medicinal instances or sleep walking !

Most only ever a not guilty plea wshilst solicitors earn more coin and get a chance to read the disclosed material. he will more than likely plead guilty once his solicitor knows there is no chance of him getting off or indeed earning the firm a little more of his cash !!

[Gav]

The guy was drink driving, and not only drink driving but over the limit, which is bad enough, but to fight the charge smacks or arrogance for me, Take your medicine and have done with it.

He lost some respect for me when he denied the charge.

[Ozz]

Not only that Gav, but he told the court that the season starts on 22nd August and got his trial date set at 15th, two days after the first game.

[PAFELL]

Medical condition, tests not carried out correctly, test carried out too soon after drinking, etc.

Rather than passing judgement in advance, based on heresay, pewrhaps we should wait to see what the courts decide?

It is a debate on Kean and his drink driving charge.

He was stopped in his car whilst driving. Even if he had just got into his car after drinking and drove the car a metre. The Police can stop the driver and test them. The basic fact is if you are twice over the limit, you do not get behind the wheel of a vehicle and drive.

Not heresay, but based on court reporting at the time. Of course we must wait for what happens until the court case is over, with regards to Kean.

Medical condition, then should not even be driving.

Tests not carried out correctly - debatable and doubtful.

Test carried out out too soon after drinking - driver fails the test the moment he gets behind the wheel and moves.

if Kean is guilty the courts will give him at least 12 to 24 month ban. Which can be reduced if he under goes some education about driving and alcohol or whatever they call it today.

That's not the BRFCS way. Why wait when you can pass judgement from your ivory tower like a sanctimonious schmuck?

What ivory tower?

I am talking about drink driving as a whole. It is in the kean thread as he currently stands accused of it. The trial date is coming up.

I suppose you support those idiots rioting on the streets the past few days.

[BiggusLaddus]

Well as it seems you have all the answers Pafell, perhaps we should dispense with court cases in future and allow you to cast summary judgements as you see fit.

I didn't say any of those excuses were likely, in my opinion he is probably guilty. However, I'm not going to hammer him for it until after it has been decided in court by people with all the evidence in front of them.

[PAFELL]

just to help you out BL

He was CHARGED because he failed to blow UNDER the legal limit, in fact it is reported he was almost TWICE over the legal limit.

The police do not make simple mistakes with breathalysers these days. Its a fact that if your over the limit you are over the limit. There is NO defence the alcohol is in your system period. The equipment used is top quality these days.

The timing of breath tests is not an issue here. The initial screening test showed he was over the legal limit hence he failed a breath test. That is a guide. The real test is what he blows at the station and it is the LOWER reading that is taken, so one of the two readings he has provided has actually been higher ! That is the evidence for charging.

Experience wise I have yet to see anyone get themselves off a drink driving charge in recent years UNLESS it has been related to medicinal instances or sleep walking !

Most only ever a not guilty plea wshilst solicitors earn more coin and get a chance to read the disclosed material. he will more than likely plead guilty once his solicitor knows there is no chance of him getting off or indeed earning the firm a little more of his cash !!

The above is correct. Though not sure about sleepwalking.

There is another defence that has been used for being over the limit that the courts allow. That is an emergency - but it has to be life threatening emergency.

For example a fire in a building and getting a car out of the way in order to save life. The driver could be over the limit in such circumstances - but the proof for life being in danger is very high. In the example I mentioned, the court can say why did they not get the people out of harms way, without moving the car.

[Gav]

Not only that Gav, but he told the court that the season starts on 22nd August and got his trial date set at 15th, two days after the first game.

The mind boggles Oz

I back the guy because he's the manager of Blackburn Rovers, but he doesn't make it easy.

[cruz]

I suppose you support those idiots rioting on the streets the past few days.

What a silly thing to say.

I don't support Kean. I meerly commented on posters putting up unsubstantiated crap like "Kean is renowned for liking a drink"

If he is guilty of DIU then he deserves all he gets, just like your rioters

[PAFELL]

What a silly thing to say.

I don't support Kean. I meerly commented on posters putting up unsubstantiated crap like "Kean is renowned for liking a drink"

If he is guilty of DIU then he deserves all he gets, just like your rioters

I cannot comment on that and was not posting about such comments, which I have not even mentioned.

I was posting about drink driving as a whole and with the allegations against Kean.

Yes drink drivers and the rioters deserve whats coming to them.

[Jimmy612]

I back the guy because he's the manager of Blackburn Rovers, but he doesn't make it easy.

As you have supported all of our previous managers Gav

[PAFELL]

Well as it seems you have all the answers Pafell, perhaps we should dispense with court cases in future and allow you to cast summary judgements as you see fit.

I didn't say any of those excuses were likely, in my opinion he is probably guilty. However, I'm not going to hammer him for it until after it has been decided in court by people with all the evidence in front of them.

I do not have all the answers. I am debating about drink driving as a whole - not just with regards to Kean. You only have to type into most search engines - punishments for drink driving in the UK - to find the likely punishment for driving over the limit. It is based on how much a person is over the limit, breathe, blood, urine samples.

But my opinion the law does not provide a sufficient deterent for the offence - jail, in my view should be the minimum sentence. In Keans case it is highly unlikely to happen.

[Amo]

Some of the people condemning Kean are the same people who would welcome Joey Barton to the club. Just proves my point that fans will overlook crimes (Kean hasn't even been convicted yet) so long as they're good at their job.

[Jimmy612]

Some of the people condemning Kean are the same people who would welcome Joey Barton to the club. Just proves my point that fans will overlook crimes (Kean hasn't even been convicted yet) so long as they're good at their job.

I'd jump at the chance to sign Barton, but only if we had a manager who could control him at the club. Unfortunately this isn't the case.

[PAFELL]

Some of the people condemning Kean are the same people who would welcome Joey Barton to the club. Just proves my point that fans will overlook crimes (Kean hasn't even been convicted yet) so long as they're good at their job.

If you re-read my post earlier, I said If Kean is found guilty. that is not condeming him - before his hearing.

[Amo]

If you re-read my post earlier, I said If Kean is found guilty

Just drop it, Pafell. You've mentioned making another 'next manager' thread when there's no sign of Kean getting sacked. Just wait and see what happens before your latest snipe at the guy. This would be a very different story if it was (golden-era) Souey, or Sparky going to court. Double-standards.

[Gav]

As you have supported all of our previous managers Gav

Supported everyone jimmy, WITHOUT EXCEPTION

[Kelbo]

Some of the people condemning Kean are the same people who would welcome Joey Barton to the club. Just proves my point that fans will overlook crimes (Kean hasn't even been convicted yet) so long as they're good at their job.

Unfortunately, Kean isnt good at his job!!

[Jimmy612]

Supported everyone jimmy, WITHOUT EXCEPTION

Now that's not exactly true Gav, without naming any names

[Amo]

Unfortunately, Kean isnt good at his job!!

Yes, Kelbo. That was my point.

[John]

I think it is a bit silly to completely write off Kean, there were small signs of improvement at the end of last season yes, I accept, we went through a horrible patch last season. Personally thought we were down and out at one stage but managed to thankfully stay up.

He has now had a full pre-season with the squad, doing things his own way, that could help however, there are simply no excuses if results are not up to the mark this time around.

[ABBEY]

WHAT IMPROVEMENTS JOHN?

we should of got a proper manager in when you know who was sacked and if not then at the end of the season,we very very nearly went down!!!!!