[Archived] Steve Kean

[gumboots]

People support the man because in general, he did a good job and it is a reasonable view to take that we wouldn't have relegation concerns if he was still here. Plumping for Kean when they did was a reckless gamble even if it comes off/doesn't end disasterously (and I say that as someone who likes a reckless gamble!). We'd have been better off parting ways with "The Expert" in the Summer.

He's long since gone mind and I find the Groundhog-day-esque "what Sam would/wouldn't have done" after every game tiresome. We'd have 40 points or there abouts and be looking forward to getting absolutely spanked at Arsenal. It's not news, I don't need to be reminded every week.

As it stands we've less points and still looking forward to a probable spanking at Arsenal but might give it a go and defend like muppets further up the pitch than cowering in the penalty area punting it to the half-way line.

Most people would probably swap that for the points at this stage. Probably fair enough.

actually what annoys me most is that people state as fact that we would have enough points to survive under allardyce but there is simply no way you can know. Injuries, suspensions etc would still have happened - not necessarily the same ones but who knows - it might have been even worse. You may feel that we would by now have been safe, but there is no absolute certainty about it. I'm not a Kean fan. I wasn't an allardyce fan either and would have shed no tears at his departure if we had had a plan to replace him with someone who was a proven manager. I'd have kept him in his job until we had someone suitable and available in mind and let him spend some cash in Jan if necessary to strengthen what he had. Despite the fact that I disliked him intensely I didn't like the manner of his sacking. However, knowing we'd already be safe is another matter.

[Mc Love]

It's your tactics!!!

Hang on I'll check....no he is still @#/?

[modes98]

Kean open to Celtic return, can he just go now. If we all chip in we can pay his petrol money.

[Bobby G]

We truly are a laughing stock when Steve Kean is currently playing up potential moves to manage Celtic.

[blue_and_white]

actually what annoys me most is that people state as fact that we would have enough points to survive under allardyce but there is simply no way you can know. Injuries, suspensions etc would still have happened - not necessarily the same ones but who knows - it might have been even worse. You may feel that we would by now have been safe, but there is no absolute certainty about it. I'm not a Kean fan. I wasn't an allardyce fan either and would have shed no tears at his departure if we had had a plan to replace him with someone who was a proven manager. I'd have kept him in his job until we had someone suitable and available in mind and let him spend some cash in Jan if necessary to strengthen what he had. Despite the fact that I disliked him intensely I didn't like the manner of his sacking. However, knowing we'd already be safe is another matter.

Come on! I don't know the sun will rise tomorrow but I've got a damn good idea. First season Allardyce took us from 19th to 15th, second season we finished 10th, third season we were 13th when he was sacked. On what planet was he ever, ever gonna finish 18th-20th? Since Kean took over we've played West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle and Blackpool at home and got 2 points from those games, I'd have put my house on Allardyce getting a minimum of 9 and we'd be virtually safe already. What annoys me most is that Kean hasn't been hounded out of the club by the fans, and its the after-effects of this ludicrous "anyone but Allardyce" attitude thats to blame for that.

[roversmum]

I'm rapidly losing the will to live.

Sam has GONE. GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE. He might or might not have done this or that but we will never know.

It seems we have to live with Steve Kean for the time being, so let's get on with it. We have no choice.

[rebelmswar]

I'm rapidly losing the will to live.

Sam has GONE. GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE. He might or might not have done this or that but we will never know.

It seems we have to live with Steve Kean for the time being, so let's get on with it. We have no choice.

So what you are saying is Sam is... gone?

:'(

[chaddyrovers]

Kean leave if you want! WE DONT WANT YOU! Go and manage in the SPL, i don't care. I just want you gone from my club.

You are not up to manage a PL club.

is anybody a kean's fan? if so, why?

[Mercer]

Kean open to Celtic return, can he just go now. If we all chip in we can pay his petrol money.

"I have always said that you enjoy the job you've got and you never try to get another job".

Just splattered my desk with mineral water - nearly choked reading that one!

[gumboots]

Come on! I don't know the sun will rise tomorrow but I've got a damn good idea. First season Allardyce took us from 19th to 15th, second season we finished 10th, third season we were 13th when he was sacked. On what planet was he ever, ever gonna finish 18th-20th? Since Kean took over we've played West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle and Blackpool at home and got 2 points from those games, I'd have put my house on Allardyce getting a minimum of 9 and we'd be virtually safe already. What annoys me most is that Kean hasn't been hounded out of the club by the fans, and its the after-effects of this ludicrous "anyone but Allardyce" attitude thats to blame for that.

Where did i say "anyone but Allardyce"? Those who know me asked me at the time of his sacking whether I was happy with the sacking and my reply then was the same as it is now "If we get in someone who can do a better job." I, like all true fans, hoped Kean could be that since that was the manager we got. I was prepared to give him a chance to see what he was like when the owners decided to give him the job. I wasn't impressed but this is still my club and I couldn't want any manager, even the Devil incarnate, to fail with my club. If there had been a way of protesting that would have seen Kean leave in the time between Fulham and Blackpool I'd have joined it, but the owners weren't around to be aware of any protests and I don't think they'd take any notice if they were aware. The fact is that you might be fairly confident of where we'd now be with allardyce, but it's not proveable unless you have a time machine to go back and run the time since Venky's took over again. I'm not saying we wouldn't be safe but you definitely can't know, whatever results from last season or other seasons you choose to look at.

[OJRovers]

Can someone start a list of quotes from Kean, we have had plenty to go on there such as:

- We can finish top 6

- We can finish top 7

- We can finish top 10

- we can equal last season's points total

(target moves as we fall down the league)

- i'm not a yes man

- the fans are behind me

- He's here on merit (Myles Anderson)

- He's like a young batistuta

- He's like a young smalling

- The assistant manager appointment is going to make people take notice

[roversmum]

So what you are saying is Sam is... gone?

:'(

Where on earth do you get that idea from?

[rebelmswar]

Where on earth do you get that idea from?

Rumor I heard.

I personally thought Sam had went on a diet, lost his hair, gave up on the gum, and caved in regards to playing pretty football.

[roversmum]

He's also had speech therapy from a Scot.

[Gav]

More straw clutching than Rumpelstiltskin there Gav.

What would you say?

"Yes I deserved to be sacked and Kean jetting of to India was a superlative show of support"

Maybe I should send Allardyce a big thank you note for attempting to destabilise the club twice in 5 months and I've not even mentioned his football.

What a lovely chap

[rebelmswar]

Maybe I should send Allardyce a big thank you note for attempting to destabilise the club twice in 5 months and I've not even mentioned his football.

What a lovely chap

Nah, just a thank you note for saving our skins.

[jim mk2]

Maybe I should send Allardyce a big thank you note for attempting to destabilise the club twice in 5 months and I've not even mentioned his football.

What a lovely chap

Some Fools Never Learn was hit single for Steve Wariner in 1985. I think he had you in mind.

[imy9]

You are always on my mind was also a hit song.

[rebelmswar]

As was "Fools Rush In"

[Mattyblue]

Maybe I should send Allardyce a big thank you note for attempting to destabilise the club twice in 5 months and I've not even mentioned his football.

What a lovely chap

Aye, its a good job we've now got the Keano/Anderson/Rao axis to keep us on an even keel.

[CrazyIvan]

Aye, its a good job we've now got the Keano/Anderson/Rao axis to keep us on an even keel.

Why call it an 'axis'? That just hints at these people being evil as the terminology is tied intrisically to the 2nd World War. This goes along with the person who posted about 'all that is required for evil to triumph...'.

Why make out these people are 'evil'? Even by association?

[tony gale's mic]

I'm rapidly losing the will to live.

Sam has GONE. GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE. He might or might not have done this or that but we will never know.

It seems we have to live with Steve Kean for the time being, so let's get on with it. We have no choice.

Okay. So hypothetically if Alex Ferguson is sacked from United at the end of this season, and they fail to make the Champions' League next season, would we say that Alex Ferguson would have got them into the Champions' League? Or would we say that "ohhh we never wouldve known if he would have made the Champions' League or not"?

Sam WOULD NOT have got us into a relegation fight this season. He has over a decades' experience of managing at the top level. At Bolton the only time he got involved in a relegation scrap was when he got Bolton Wanderers first promoted - staying up was a massive achievement then. Since then he didnt even come close to relegation with Bolton over numerous seasons, had Newcastle well clear of relegation when he was sacked in the same season that they actually got relegated, got us 7 points clear of safety after Ince had messed the first bit of our season up and was TWENTY points clear of the drop zone with Rovers last season.

So no, while we can't say anything one hundred percent, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that Sam would NOT have got us relegated this season. Looking at his track record it's unlikely he would have even got us close to relegation.

Enough of the large fonts, we're all fully aware that Sam is gone. But if some people start to understand that his dismissal is by far the biggest reason why we're in the position we're in, maybe others wouldn't feel the need to stress this so much.

[chaddyrovers]

Okay. So hypothetically if Alex Ferguson is sacked from United at the end of this season, and they fail to make the Champions' League next season, would we say that Alex Ferguson would have got them into the Champions' League? Or would we say that "ohhh we never wouldve known if he would have made the Champions' League or not"?

Sam WOULD NOT have got us into a relegation fight this season. He has over a decades' experience of managing at the top level. At Bolton the only time he got involved in a relegation scrap was when he got Bolton Wanderers first promoted - staying up was a massive achievement then. Since then he didnt even come close to relegation with Bolton over numerous seasons, had Newcastle well clear of relegation when he was sacked in the same season that they actually got relegated, got us 7 points clear of safety after Ince had messed the first bit of our season up and was TWENTY points clear of the drop zone with Rovers last season.

So no, while we can't say anything one hundred percent, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that Sam would NOT have got us relegated this season. Looking at his track record it's unlikely he would have even got us close to relegation.

Enough of the large fonts, we're all fully aware that Sam is gone. But if some people start to understand that his dismissal is by far the biggest reason why we're in the position we're in, maybe others wouldn't feel the need to stress this so much.

Great post! I totally agree with the post

[onlyonejackwalker]

Okay. So hypothetically if Alex Ferguson is sacked from United at the end of this season, and they fail to make the Champions' League next season, would we say that Alex Ferguson would have got them into the Champions' League? Or would we say that "ohhh we never wouldve known if he would have made the Champions' League or not"?

Sam WOULD NOT have got us into a relegation fight this season. He has over a decades' experience of managing at the top level. At Bolton the only time he got involved in a relegation scrap was when he got Bolton Wanderers first promoted - staying up was a massive achievement then. Since then he didnt even come close to relegation with Bolton over numerous seasons, had Newcastle well clear of relegation when he was sacked in the same season that they actually got relegated, got us 7 points clear of safety after Ince had messed the first bit of our season up and was TWENTY points clear of the drop zone with Rovers last season.

So no, while we can't say anything one hundred percent, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that Sam would NOT have got us relegated this season. Looking at his track record it's unlikely he would have even got us close to relegation.

Enough of the large fonts, we're all fully aware that Sam is gone. But if some people start to understand that his dismissal is by far the biggest reason why we're in the position we're in, maybe others wouldn't feel the need to stress this so much.

Well written, great response, fully agree. There is nowt so common as common sense! In fact, when documented in this way, it further highlights what a good employee we have lost and further illustrates the ridiculous behaviour of some fans whilst he was with us and the stupidity of the new owners in casting him aside without a second thought.

They wanted a new and promising up and coming coach / manager in Kean and supposedly better football. They got a relegation battle and mass uncertainty. Although many on here could have warned them of their folly, they knew best and here we are now trying to pick up the pieces of what could be the most disastrous 6 months I have ever known at the club.

Be careful what you wish for!

[roversmum]

Oh for goodness sake, of course everyone realises the position we are in and (probably) the reason for it. Yes, it is upsetting and was/is totally unnecessary. And yes, tgm's post is a good one but says nothing that hasn't been constantly repeated before.

It's the constant repetition of it that is unnecessary, THAT's what I'm saying.

I tell you what, I'll copy tgm's post and re-post it every five minutes. That'll save anyone else bothering.