[Archived] Steve Kean

[imy9]

Well said Mum!

[tony gale's mic]

Oh for goodness sake, of course everyone realises the position we are in and (probably) the reason for it.

It's the constant repetition of it that is unnecessary, THAT's what I'm saying.

I tell you what, I'll copy tgm's post and re-post it every five minutes. That'll save anyone else bothering.

There's numerous people still maintaining "he had to go", "the football under Kean is better" etc etc. Even in the last couple of days.

They've been repeating these statements just as much as anyone else, yet unlike the others their statements have been looking more nonsensical with time and yet they're still maintaining this stance. Others are challenging the opinion that Sam would have seen us safe which again makes no sense at all.

So people will respond to these people and try and explain to them why they think they're wrong.

It's how internet forums generally work. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[Andy]

Well said.

As for Kean trying to pimp himself for a potential managerial move back to Celtic -

How about concentrating on trying to do your job properly at Rovers first?

[John]

Sam would have got us very high up the table this season IMO. Pretty confident especially with our home record we would have picked up at least 3-4 more wins than what we have now. Not exactly a shocking statement based on his track record.

[bazza]

Oh for goodness sake, of course everyone realises the position we are in and (probably) the reason for it. Yes, it is upsetting and was/is totally unnecessary. And yes, tgm's post is a good one but says nothing that hasn't been constantly repeated before.

It's the constant repetition of it that is unnecessary, THAT's what I'm saying.

I tell you what, I'll copy tgm's post and re-post it every five minutes. That'll save anyone else bothering.

For serious repetition go to the Keith Andrews thread. There, the record got stuck in a groove several months ago and it's still turning and playing.

[roversmum]

Right, well I didn't mean to upset anyone, I guess that the situation we are in is frustrating us all.

I'm just trying to look to the future. Unfortunately it's a bit like staring into a big black hole and having no idea what might be at the bottom. Even if our Premier League status continues it all looks a bit dodgy. But unfortunately we can't change the past. Once the World Cup Cricket is over perhaps Mrs D might remember that she has a football club to sort out. We can but hope.

[tony gale's mic]

Right, well I didn't mean to upset anyone, I guess that the situation we are in is frustrating us all.

I'm just trying to look to the future. Unfortunately it's a bit like staring into a big black hole and having no idea what might be at the bottom. Even if our Premier League status continues it all looks a bit dodgy.

Well we're certainly agreed on that.

[thenodrog]

There's numerous people still maintaining "he had to go", "the football under Kean is better" etc etc. Even in the last couple of days.

They've been repeating these statements just as much as anyone else, yet unlike the others their statements have been looking more nonsensical with time and yet they're still maintaining this stance.

Best to ignore the "know nowts" but for some reason I struggle to accept people can be so thick.

[modes98]

It's the constant repetition of it that is unnecessary, THAT's what I'm saying.

But if Sam was here you wouldn't have said that

[47er]

Well written, great response, fully agree. There is nowt so common as common sense! In fact, when documented in this way, it further highlights what a good employee we have lost and further illustrates the ridiculous behaviour of some fans whilst he was with us and the stupidity of the new owners in casting him aside without a second thought.

They wanted a new and promising up and coming coach / manager in Kean and supposedly better football. They got a relegation battle and mass uncertainty. Although many on here could have warned them of their folly, they knew best and here we are now trying to pick up the pieces of what could be the most disastrous 6 months I have ever known at the club.

Be careful what you wish for!

In fact, common sense is quite rare. Had there been more of it we wouldnt be staring down the barrel of relegation.

Just for the people supporting the last manager, around in the summer without managing to get a move. We also have a man who has actually gone out of his way to destabilise the club once he's left, and people still support the man

So, its "onwards and upwards" eh Gav? If you were sacked without decent cause you would just have accepted it I suppose?

[Gav]

Some Fools Never Learn was hit single for Steve Wariner in 1985. I think he had you in mind.

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is a song written primarily by John Lennon and credited to Lennon/McCartney, for The Beatles' 1967 album Sgt. Pepper

[Kelbo]

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is a song written primarily by John Lennon and credited to Lennon/McCartney, for The Beatles' 1967 album Sgt. Pepper

My song would be definately for Venkys and Kean as they are deluded, 'Theyre coming to take me away haha to the loony farm!!

[ABBEY]

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is a song written primarily by John Lennon and credited to Lennon/McCartney, for The Beatles' 1967 album Sgt. Pepper

Pmsl

[LeChuck]

Go on now go, walk out the door. Just turn around now, 'cos you're not welcome anymore...

[Gav]

So, its "onwards and upwards" eh Gav? If you were sacked without decent cause you would just have accepted it I suppose?

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

But to answer your question, if I was sacked It would be because I wasn't doing my job, I'd walk away and get another job, not blame everyone else because I’m so arrogant that I can’t see myself doing anything other than a great job.

The mans an arse.

[47er]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

In his case you do. But in Kean's case it works the opposite way!

[beanie]

had Newcastle well clear of relegation when he was sacked in the same season that they actually got relegated.

Not the same season i don't think sam went out keegan came in for end of the season they stayed up then it was keegan for the start he quit as he does and Joe kinnear came in then Shearer for the last 6 or 7 games ending in relegation,

[tony gale's mic]

Not the same season i don't think sam went out keegan came in for end of the season they stayed up then it was keegan for the start he quit as he does and Joe kinnear came in then Shearer for the last 6 or 7 games ending in relegation,

I stand corrected. Still they ended up a lot closer to relegation that season after Keegan took the reins.

[MarkBRFC71]

had Newcastle well clear of relegation when he was sacked in the same season that they actually got relegated

Are you sure about that? IIRC they were in freefall and it took sacking Sam and appointing King Kev to save them from relegation. Such was the perceived mess he made, Allardyce was virtually an football outcast until we offered him a chance to resurrect his career.

Keegan left in the summer, they appointed Joe Kinnear then Shearer (in that order I think) and they went down the following season.

EDIT: Beanie beat me to it.

[tony gale's mic]

Are you sure about that? IIRC they were in freefall and it took sacking Sam and appointing King Kev to save them from relegation. Such was the perceived mess he made, Allardyce was virtually an football outcast until we offered him a chance to resurrect his career.

Keegan left in the summer, they appointed Roeder, Joe Kinnear then Shearer (in that order I think) and they went down the following season.

Hmm I got the timing of things slightly wrong, but you got things completely wrong.

Glenn Roeder was manager BEFORE Allardyce.

Newcastle finished 5 points away from the relegation zone in 13th.

Allardyce took the job and didn't have them in freefall at all. In fact they were 11th, with 26 points from 21 games and 9 points away from Sunderland in 18th. The football may not have been great but he was trying to rebuild and there was a lot wrong with that club.

After Keegan's appointment they went into freefall and were only a couple of points away from relegation at one point, but then they recovered things to finish quite a bit clear by the end of the season.

God knows why Sam's reign was seen as a mess - typical media spin which you have swallowed whole if you thought the club was in freefall when he was sacked. They quite clearly weren't.

[RibbleValleyRover]

On the Sam thing I know its Wiki but:

"Despite building what looked to be a promising squad and promising start to the season, after a series of disappointing results in the run-up to Christmas, and after gaining only one point from a possible six from bottom-of-the-table Wigan and Derby,[23][24] there was speculation that Allardyce's tenure at Newcastle could be under threat,[25] with fan protests seeing him unpopular for poor results.[26]"

Also there was this Sam rant a week before he left:

I'm stuck with these players and I'm really not happy - Allardyce blasts his ailing Magpies

[blue_and_white]

There's numerous people still maintaining "he had to go", "the football under Kean is better" etc etc. Even in the last couple of days.

They've been repeating these statements just as much as anyone else, yet unlike the others their statements have been looking more nonsensical with time and yet they're still maintaining this stance. Others are challenging the opinion that Sam would have seen us safe which again makes no sense at all.

So people will respond to these people and try and explain to them why they think they're wrong.

It's how internet forums generally work. Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Great post. I think there's 3 sides to the debate:

1. The anti-Sam hardcore - who are becoming increasingly annoyed about being pressured into admitting they were totally wrong and are coming out with more and more ridiculous reasons for why they weren't.

2. The pro-Sam fans - who are massively frustrated and despairing that this has happened and they can do nothing about it but shout "I TOLD YOU SO!" at the people who gave Allardyce 2 years of ridicule and them the same for supporting him.

3. The neutrals (anti-Sam fans who've realised they were wrong/pro-Sam fans who just want to move on) - who are sick of the argument.

Of course this being a messageboard and all of us liking a good argument/debate to one extent or another, it will most likely continue until Kean gets sacked. So ideally 5 days ago but realistically next season.

[tony gale's mic]

On the Sam thing I know its Wiki but:

"Despite building what looked to be a promising squad and promising start to the season, after a series of disappointing results in the run-up to Christmas, and after gaining only one point from a possible six from bottom-of-the-table Wigan and Derby,[23][24] there was speculation that Allardyce's tenure at Newcastle could be under threat,[25] with fan protests seeing him unpopular for poor results.[26]"

Also there was this Sam rant a week before he left:

I'm stuck with these players and I'm really not happy - Allardyce blasts his ailing Magpies

Big deal he had some poor form before Christmas. He still left Newcastle in a considerably better position than at the end of the previous season. 9 pts from relegation would never count as freefall.

[modes98]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

Wow how wrong can you be!

He was sacked because of the 7-1 defeat to Man U. A single game does not make a manager crap.

Ince was crap and deserved to be sacked. Sam took that same team plus a negative budget and turned them into a midtable team.

I suppose jose mourinho is crap because chelsea sacked him.

He was sacked because his face didn't fit with the agenda of Anderson and Venky's, he wouldn't accept what they wanted to do and Kean would. Those decisions have played their part in getting us to where we are now, so if he is crap then give me another crap manager to save us from relegation.

[Steve Moss]

Can someone start a list of quotes from Kean, we have had plenty to go on there such as:

- We can finish top 6

- We can finish top 7

- We can finish top 10

- we can equal last season's points total

(target moves as we fall down the league)

- i'm not a yes man

- the fans are behind me

- He's here on merit (Myles Anderson)

- He's like a young batistuta

- He's like a young smalling

- The assistant manager appointment is going to make people take notice

All B.S. Which about defines Mr. K.

So no, while we can't say anything one hundred percent, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that Sam would NOT have got us relegated this season. Looking at his track record it's unlikely he would have even got us close to relegation.

Well said.

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

. . .

The mans an arse.

Sam was no arse. You on the other hand, seem to be trying hard to earn the title.