[Archived] Steve Kean

[jim mk2]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

The mans an arse.

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish ? EDITED REST ?

[sambo]

Why do you keep repeating this rubbish ?

Seconded..

I like Gav, his posts usually make me laugh, but to say Sam was cr@p just is plain untrue.

He was at times frustrating, but the stats say he was pretty darn good, especially when you consider the two 'managers'(a term used very lightly here!) either side of him.

[BangkokRover]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

But to answer your question, if I was sacked It would be because I wasn't doing my job, I'd walk away and get another job, not blame everyone else because I’m so arrogant that I can’t see myself doing anything other than a great job.

The mans an arse.

So who would be your ideal manager for Rovers be?

[MarkBRFC71]

Hmm I got the timing of things slightly wrong, but you got things completely wrong.

Glenn Roeder was manager BEFORE Allardyce.

Newcastle finished 5 points away from the relegation zone in 13th.

Allardyce took the job and didn't have them in freefall at all. In fact they were 11th, with 26 points from 21 games and 9 points away from Sunderland in 18th. The football may not have been great but he was trying to rebuild and there was a lot wrong with that club.

After Keegan's appointment they went into freefall and were only a couple of points away from relegation at one point, but then they recovered things to finish quite a bit clear by the end of the season.

God knows why Sam's reign was seen as a mess - typical media spin which you have swallowed whole if you thought the club was in freefall when he was sacked. They quite clearly weren't.

I got one manager slightly out of kilter, you managed to miss an entire season and two managers, and put a positive spin on what was widely regarded as a bit of a disaster (although to be fair, that's partly down to the usual deluded expectations of Newcastle's fans) of a tenureship (poor football, very average signings, hugely divided fanbase - sound familiar?) and - rather predictably - once again tried to make out that Sam, post Bolton, is or has been anything other than an average manager.

Granted he's better than Kean, but it's like saying losing your legs is better than death - you wouldn't really want either and hopefully in summer we can get a proper manager in and move on. I just pray we're not in the Championship.

Please can we finally draw a line and stop harking on about Sam - he's gone, never coming back (thank god IMO), and we're in the ###### under Kean. What's important here is (1) getting out of it and (2) who we replace him with in Summer. Any ideas?

[Mattyblue]

If people like yourself mark, ate a bit of humble pie and stopped coming out with utter rubblish like 'Sam was an average manager' we would be able to move on.

[BRFC1995]

international break following an fa cup break means we have played and under performed in 1 game only in 3 or 4 weeks, timing of these breaks is horrendous and draws out the torture of suffering this joke of a manager for longer than should be humanely allowed. End to this season was never meant to be this excruciating.

[Parsonblue]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

But to answer your question, if I was sacked It would be because I wasn't doing my job, I'd walk away and get another job, not blame everyone else because I’m so arrogant that I can’t see myself doing anything other than a great job.

The mans an arse.

Absolute rubbish. Following your logic why is Kean still here? His record is worse than Big Sam's. How does finishing tenth compare with where we are at the moment. Again, following your logic half the managers in the Premier League should have been sacked in the summer because they finished below the Rovers. I think your hatred of Sam has more than clouded your judgement. Still, I suppose if you are happy that Sam is gone then relegation will be a small price to pay for you to get rid of him. Let's hope the club don't have to pay a higher price with a long period outside the top flight.

[jim mk2]

Granted he's better than Kean, but it's like saying losing your legs is better than death - you wouldn't really want either and hopefully in summer we can get a proper manager in and move on. I just pray we're not in the Championship.

Please can we finally draw a line and stop harking on about Sam - he's gone, never coming back (thank god IMO),

More bilge.

It's probably never penetrated the fog around what passes for your brain that we will probably be playing in the Championship next season because the stupid owners got rid of Sam.

Until you stop posting rubbish like this people who understand football on here will continue to knock you down.

[Parsonblue]

Please can we finally draw a line and stop harking on about Sam - he's gone, never coming back (thank god IMO), and we're in the ###### under Kean. What's important here is (1) getting out of it and (2) who we replace him with in Summer. Any ideas?

Sadly, I suspect that whatever happens we will be stuck with Kean next season. If he keeps us up then Mrs. Desai will believe her faith in him was justified. If we are relegation then I don't think that Venky's will be all that bothered as their marketing plans will be in tatters in the Championship. Unfortunately, I think Kean is here to stay.

[John]

Agree there appears to be a lot of love for Kean - with his deep thinking and work intensive attitude he seems to have won Venky's well and truly over. They seem star struck when talking about him as if they have known him for years.

[Jimmy612]

He was sacked because he was cr@p, you don't get sacked for doing a fantastic job.

But to answer your question, if I was sacked It would be because I wasn't doing my job, I'd walk away and get another job, not blame everyone else because I’m so arrogant that I can’t see myself doing anything other than a great job.

The mans an arse.

You talk such ###### Gav! You hate the fact that we are far far far worse without Allardyce! I know it must be excruciating for you to watch this and be made to look like a @#/? after constantly bombarding a good manager for 2 years, but maybe its just time to accept that for a club like BRFC, he was very good.

For you to start saying 'he was crap' is stupidity! Football is a funny game, and often you do get sacked for doing a good job with modern day owners running clubs. I think we can all agree that Avram Grant did a good job at Chelsea before he was sacked. Sven did a good job at Citeh and was sacked.

You come spouting all of your rubbish, but why can't you see that BS has never done a bad job in the last 10 years. He saved this club, and then in 3 months all of his work has been undone by some chicken pluckers and a little bald man who is convinced he will be Celtic manager (i've got a tandem if he needs a lift).

The picture you posted before? Is this the part of the argument where the one who is being made to look like an idiot starts to be stupid and try to make people laugh?

[Gav]

He's trolling Jim. Comes on here, makes an outrageous statement, sits back and waits for the response. Then returns a few days later and starts it going again. Hence the constant repetition.

Mods------any chance of you doing your stuff?

If you took time to read what I actually posted (#946) you’d realise that in 51 pages of this thread, I’ve mentioned the very same probably once, so calling for the mods like some child in a playground calling for his teacher does you credit whatsoever.

Over to your smart arse.

[Gav]

If people like yourself mark, ate a bit of humble pie and stopped coming out with utter rubblish like 'Sam was an average manager' we would be able to move on.

Matty - Mark believes, like many other people, that Allardyce was past his sell by date, taking us nowhere only backwards, that’s his opinion, it may not be in keeping with yours or others on the site, but all the same it’s a view he holds, so why should he eat humble pie? Just to fit in and agree with the 7 other people on this thread that disagree.

I was stood at half time on Saturday with a group of lads, around 20 or so, who to a man all agreed the manager had to go, but not one person agreed that Kean should have been brought in to replace him, I think that’s a good place to be, and firmly where I am at this moment in time.

The picture you posted before? Is this the part of the argument where the one who is being made to look like an idiot starts to be stupid and try to make people laugh?

Read Jims post before mine, then maybe, just maybe you'll understand, if not I'll spell out to you by PM

[Mattyblue]

You still haven't explained why a manager that had saved the club, got us 10th and to a cup semi final plus going the same way again 'had to go'.

Well 'to a man' my Rovers chums think Sam was a top manager and were outrged on the night of his sacking

Plus, a big majority on this site and the LT said it was the wrong decison.

You can't have a rational debate with you Gav, becaise of your hatred of the man himself.

[Gav]

More bilge.

It's probably never penetrated the fog around what passes for your brain

Come on Jim don't resort to calling people names like the usual suspects that joined us more recently, you're better than that.

Well 'to a man' my Rovers chums think Sam was a top manager and were outrged on the night of his sacking

Plus, a big majority on this site and the LT said it was the wrong decison.

You can't have a rational debate with you Gav, becaise of your hatred of the man himself.

I've been debating on here for many years Matty, but I won't change my mind because a few fellow posters tell me too, thats not how debate works is it?

You still haven't explained why a manager that had saved the club, got us 10th and to a cup semi final plus going the same way again 'had to go'.

You're joking right

[roversmum]

But if Sam was here you wouldn't have said that

Haha! I think maybe I should have stuck to cleaning the car and gardening yesterday!

Absolute rubbish. Following your logic why is Kean still here? His record is worse than Big Sam's. How does finishing tenth compare with where we are at the moment. Again, following your logic half the managers in the Premier League should have been sacked in the summer because they finished below the Rovers. I think your hatred of Sam has more than clouded your judgement. Still, I suppose if you are happy that Sam is gone then relegation will be a small price to pay for you to get rid of him. Let's hope the club don't have to pay a higher price with a long period outside the top flight.

Who can tell? It does look rather likely at the moment, PB. I think it rather goes to further prove that Venky's have little idea of what they are doing and whoever is advising them is not doing it for the good of the club.

[Mattyblue]

Haha, well you've said your piece enough, I just can't understand the rationale.

[broadsword]

I've been debating on here for many years Matty, but I won't change my mind because a few fellow posters tell me too, thats not how debate works is it?

That's absolutely A-OK. Nobody should be forced into changing their opinion by weight of numbers.

I'm not sure it's really fair to say Allardyce was taking us backwards though. All managers have a shelf life, but Allardyce was still keeping the club going. If anyone took us backwards it was the Trust, starving the first team of fresh blood and progressively selling off the best assets. Yes, the football could be absolute gash, practically unwatchable, and his personality and chumminess with Fergie was a turn-off. But looking beyond that, he was good for us given that the difficulties he faced in taking us over.

Accordingly, it's not a job for a novice. And that's where me and you agree that Kean was not the man to bring in.

[Gav]

That's absolutely A-OK. Nobody should be forced into changing their opinion by weight of numbers.

I'm not sure it's really fair to say Allardyce was taking us backwards though. All managers have a shelf life, but Allardyce was still keeping the club going. If anyone took us backwards it was the Trust, starving the first team of fresh blood and progressively selling off the best assets. Yes, the football could be absolute gash, practically unwatchable, and his personality and chumminess with Fergie was a turn-off. But looking beyond that, he was good for us given that the difficulties he faced in taking us over.

Accordingly, it's not a job for a novice. And that's where me and you agree that Kean was not the man to bring in.

You know what Bryan, I have plenty of time for what you've just posted, and you make some good points.

But I still feel the manager took the job on the understanding he had little or no money to spend, then threw his toys out when money didn't materialise? What did he expect?

As for the trust, in my opinion they’re beyond reproach, what they did for the club since Jack died was nothing short of miraculous. Yes they sold players, yes they stopped the money, but they kept us afloat and that’s the key for me.

[Mattyblue]

What the Trust didn't do is take money out of the club, they let JW run the club as his own perosnal fiefdfom- and a bloody good overlord he was.

I forgave them the cronic lack of funds post 2006/7 on the basis they didn't sell us and Jack's legacy down the river...

[den]

But I still feel the manager took the job on the understanding he had little or no money to spend, then threw his toys out when money didn't materialise? What did he expect?

He probably knew that money was tight Gav, but I doubt he was told during his interview that he would have to sell players and not have the money to replace them. Can't imagine a manager of Allardyce's standing accepting a job in those circumstances. Of course he would be right to be annoyed. I would have been absolutely livid.

To keep the club at the level he did in those circumstances was exceptional - don't you think?

[broadsword]

He left u in better shape than he found us, in that respect you have tro say he was a success.

[Gav]

He probably knew that money was tight Gav, but I doubt he was told during his interview that he would have to sell players and not have the money to replace them. Can't imagine a manager of Allardyce's standing accepting a job in those circumstances. Of course he would be right to be annoyed. I would have been absolutely livid.

To keep the club at the level he did in those circumstances was exceptional - don't you think?

I would like to think JW told Allardyce the facts as they stood, we had around 10m to spend with wages, and the manager took the job on those terms. Every man and his dog new Allardyce was the perfect appointment under the circumstances, with little or no money in the kitty after the 10 was gone, he was aware of the situation as it stood.

I've gone on record several times saying what he achieved in his first season was exceptional and I still stand by that. His second season was a different matter, he had cash to spend and blew the budget for me, although we finished the season off well and in respectable position, the players brought in were not going to take the club forward, and we’ve seen that this season in abundance.

[jim mk2]

I've been debating on here for many years Matty, but I won't change my mind because a few fellow posters tell me too, thats not how debate works is it?

Gav, you're not debating about this. You're making silly statements about Sam that have no basis in fact.

I admit I never liked Souness but recognise (until his last six months) he was a very good manager for Rovers. Your dislike of Sam is clouding your judgment of the bigger picture. You do not seem to understand the trouble the club is in and the consequences of relegation.

All Rovers fans are upset about what has happened to the club and your constant berating of the former manager whose sacking many rightly see as unjustified and wrong is making it worse.

Leave the rubbish about Sam to the likes of MarkBRFC1971 and move on.

[den]

I would like to think JW told Allardyce the facts as they stood, we had around 10m to spend with wages, and the manager took the job on those terms. Every man and his dog new Allardyce was the perfect appointment under the circumstances, with little or no money in the kitty after the 10 was gone, he was aware of the situation as it stood.

I've gone on record several times saying what he achieved in his first season was exceptional and I still stand by that. His second season was a different matter, he had cash to spend and blew the budget for me, although we finished the season off well and in respectable position, the players brought in were not going to take the club forward, and we’ve seen that this season in abundance.

Sam had 10m to spend in his first season and more cash to spend in his second season? Isn't that hiding the truth that he had in fact a negative budget, rather than a positive one? In other words, he had to take value out of the squad.