[Archived] Steve Kean

[roversmum]

Well, according to some, we were in crisis of the time of the Liverpool game as well ...

[John]

Could we have been playing Liverpool at a better time? Think they were in serious decline at the time and on one of their worst run of results in 10+ years.

Still we played some decent stuff and ended up winning.

[Stuart]

It's sunny out at the minute. Hopefully it'll rain soon.

[roversmum]

Don't worry, Jisty. This lot will find something else to moan about.

What is happening now is another chapter in the history of our great club. If you want to write the club off, fine*. I don't.

*not you personally, Jisty!

[Mattyblue]

Who is writing the club off?

To say it is 'just another chapter' is stretching it. Brian kidd 'was another chapter', Greame Souness was 'another chapter', who knows where this is going to end up?

I personally feel that the antics of the last few months are not at all fitting for a club of our stature and I don't think you do either mum.

[roversmum]

No, I don't. It's been a rough ride these past few months, and hopefully lessons will have been learned.

But I'm fed up with all the moaning. Moaning achieves nothing at all besides which, separating fact from fiction is very difficult. The past cannot be changed, but the future can.

Arte et Labore

[47er]

No, I don't. It's been a rough ride these past few months, and hopefully lessons will have been learned.

But I'm fed up with all the moaning. Moaning achieves nothing at all besides which, separating fact from fiction is very difficult. The past cannot be changed, but the future can.

Arte et Labore

"hopefully lessons have been learned'. Amen to that but no evidence so far. The moaning will stop, by the way, when we start winning again. That's how it is and how it always will be.

Nobody is moaning about nothing.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Don't worry, Jisty. This lot will find something else to moan about.

What is happening now is another chapter in the history of our great club. If you want to write the club off, fine*. I don't.

*not you personally, Jisty!

I think I started it off by suggesting that Liverpool were 'on strike' when they visited Ewood. I was not moaning, just stating they were very poor on the day and it was a good time to play them in the context of the players and fans relationship at that time with their manager. Their manager was removed after this game and it therefore seems perfectly accurate to state they were struggling at that time.

I pointed out that we were a little unlucky against both Fulham and Spurs, poor refereeing cost us against Blackpool early on and therefore it is balanced and fair also to say that in some games were points have been gained, that their were pivotal moments that swung our way, or the opposition was poor, or we benefitted from a little bit of luck when it happened, ie the own goal by West Brom after 40 minutes or so that got us off and running after they had hit the woodwork twice.

Seems that in pointing out events that have actually occurred, accusations of being negative or moaning come flooding in!

[Exiled in Toronto]

Could we have been playing Liverpool at a better time? Think they were in serious decline at the time and on one of their worst run of results in 10+ years.

Still we played some decent stuff and ended up winning.

Could they have playeed us at a better time? Sam gone, puppet in charge, players in revolt, Anderson lording it at Brockhall etc etc

[John]

Could they have playeed us at a better time? Sam gone, puppet in charge, players in revolt, Anderson lording it at Brockhall etc etc

Traditional honeymoon period/new manager effect, we were at fortress Ewood too plus Lord Jensen was not at the club at that point

[gumboots]

Seems that in pointing out events that have actually occurred, accusations of being negative or moaning come flooding in!

Not if you can see the positives too. It's just that some on here are very reluctant to see anything good happening at Rovers at the moment. Even when we win, it's always got to be that the opposition got it wrong, didn't turn up, were going through a bad spell, etc. Most games are won and lost because one team makes a mistake, fails to capitalise on their good spells and take their chances, etc etc. It's rare that one team is so much better that they win simply because of how good they are and how much better than the opposition they are. So much is about players performing on the day, about the game plan working, about the way refereeing decisions go and all sorts of other things that sometimes you just have to enjoy the point(s) you get and forget about overanalysing and trying to make the match fit your view of how things should be.

[imy9]

Not if you can see the positives too. It's just that some on here are very reluctant to see anything good happening at Rovers at the moment. Even when we win, it's always got to be that the opposition got it wrong, didn't turn up, were going through a bad spell, etc. Most games are won and lost because one team makes a mistake, fails to capitalise on their good spells and take their chances, etc etc. It's rare that one team is so much better that they win simply because of how good they are and how much better than the opposition they are. So much is about players performing on the day, about the game plan working, about the way refereeing decisions go and all sorts of other things that sometimes you just have to enjoy the point(s) you get and forget about overanalysing and trying to make the match fit your view of how things should be.

Awesome post.

[Majiball]

Not if you can see the positives too. It's just that some on here are very reluctant to see anything good happening at Rovers at the moment. Even when we win, it's always got to be that the opposition got it wrong, didn't turn up, were going through a bad spell, etc. Most games are won and lost because one team makes a mistake, fails to capitalise on their good spells and take their chances, etc etc. It's rare that one team is so much better that they win simply because of how good they are and how much better than the opposition they are. So much is about players performing on the day, about the game plan working, about the way refereeing decisions go and all sorts of other things that sometimes you just have to enjoy the point(s) you get and forget about overanalysing and trying to make the match fit your view of how things should be.

And who's job is it to minimise/instigate these parameters?

The manager.

You've hit the nail on the head Gumboots. There are so many factors involved that the best you can do is ensure that you have as many of the variables within your control as possible IE tactics, motivation. The manager is responsible for all of those and the better the more exprienced he is the less the chance of them being wrong. Keans current run of form shows that he's not doing well in those factors.

[den]

Not if you can see the positives too. It's just that some on here are very reluctant to see anything good happening at Rovers at the moment. Even when we win, it's always got to be that the opposition got it wrong, didn't turn up, were going through a bad spell, etc.

I assume that you're referring to the Liverpool game Gumboots. I think every fan who went to the game said how very, very well the team played. So the positives are there if they want to be seen.

The oppositive view is that some fans only want to see positives - which I can fully understand. However, it's a messageboard and people post messages.

[roverwhelmed]

And who's job is it to minimise/instigate these parameters?

The manager.

You've hit the nail on the head Gumboots. There are so many factors involved that the best you can do is ensure that you have as many of the variables within your control as possible IE tactics, motivation. The manager is responsible for all of those and the better the more exprienced he is the less the chance of them being wrong. Keans current run of form shows that he's not doing well in those factors.

You are right, and I am first in line to want an experienced manager at the helm, especially through this trickiest of relegation battles.

We're not going to get that though, realistically.

I feel more positive about Kean since I saw the players working their asses off, publicly and privately say they support and are behind him and don't seem to be in open revolt as I was concerned they were.

The players were angry at Fulham about that penalty, showed great spirit to the dying moments of the Blackpool game and against all the odds, they did the business at Arsenal and could potentially have nicked a win. There is spirit and a togetherness that could easily have been lost in this crazy situation (ie the changes occurring all around them and the attacks in the press, and the boos by the (correctly) frustrated supporters).

Look at the difference between a Liverpool side under Kenny, it is the same players but they are behind the manager and they are playing for him. Roy Hodgson was an experienced EPL manager but he wasn't getting there with Liverpool at all. There is no guarantee that a newby even experienced manager now would get those players playing for them any more than they are playing for Kean, if what the players are saying is correct.

[otto man]

And who's job is it to minimise/instigate these parameters?

The manager.

You've hit the nail on the head Gumboots. There are so many factors involved that the best you can do is ensure that you have as many of the variables within your control as possible IE tactics, motivation. The manager is responsible for all of those and the better the more exprienced he is the less the chance of them being wrong. Keans current run of form shows that he's not doing well in those factors.

Total tosh! How the hell do you control variables such as a refereeing decisions?, miss kicks,wet grass and the million and one other random events that happen during the course of a match? You talk about controling as many as possible and then give probably the only two that the manager could begin to legislate for "tactics and motivation". Minimise /instigate these parameters? Which company meeting did you get that one from? Let's face it maj you'd grab any available stick to bash Kean with and you are doing. If you were judged so harshly at work using such vague criteria you would no doubt think it unreasonable. Double standards methinks

[Majiball]

I wouldn't argue with what you've said there Roy football is a gamble at times.

At the end of the day for me Roy I wanna see this support for Kean and determination from the players translate into results. Because at the end of the day you don't get points in football for being together, you get them by winning. Regardless of unity or anything else we are not picking up points where we should be and that is highly worrying, even our great home record is rapidly declining.

Hopefully they can get all the factors working in unison to get us 3 points on Saturday, which will be a start.

But nothing more in my eyes as it's a long road back for some of our new people at Rovers for me.

[tony gale's mic]

No, I don't. It's been a rough ride these past few months, and hopefully lessons will have been learned.

But I'm fed up with all the moaning. Moaning achieves nothing at all besides which, separating fact from fiction is very difficult. The past cannot be changed, but the future can.

Arte et Labore

If things are going badly at Rovers, people will moan.

Besides, numerous sources indicate Venkys have read some of the stuff thats been written here. If so, expressing our displeasure at events is a way we can potentially make an impact on what happens in the future..if Venkys take heed that is.

[Amo]

If things are going badly at Rovers, people will moan.

Besides, numerous sources indicate Venkys have read some of the stuff thats been written here. If so, expressing our displeasure at events is a way we can potentially make an impact on what happens in the future..if Venkys take heed that is.

There's moaning and there's MOANING.

We aren't dead and buried, the league is wide open with plenty good teams underachieving, and the manager & the players are up for the fight. Some of the scaremongering on this forum over the last few months has been downright embarrassing - especially from people old enough to know better.

[Mattyblue]

There's moaning and there's MOANING.

We aren't dead and buried, the league is wide open with plenty good teams underachieving, and the manager & the players are up for the fight. Some of the scaremongering on this forum over the last few months has been downright embarrassing - especially from people old enough to know better.

Why is it embarrassing?

Personally, I have commented on actual DECISIONS, not hearsay.

Sam, JW leaving their posts.

A complete novice being appointed midseason.

SEM being in the decision making process.

Ridiculous transfer targets being constantly promoted.

Terrible PR.

The team falling further and further down the table.

All unnecessary and reckless from the owners- and I have said so.

BUT, I have seen a real fighting spirit over the last three games and by God that is encouraging.

[gumboots]

There's moaning and there's MOANING.

We aren't dead and buried, the league is wide open with plenty good teams underachieving, and the manager & the players are up for the fight. Some of the scaremongering on this forum over the last few months has been downright embarrassing - especially from people old enough to know better.

Exactly what I was saying. I like a good moan along with most people, but some moan for the sake of it and others do it when there's cause and praise positives where it's possible and then there are the eternal optimists who want only to see good in the situation. I too would like to see the togetherness start to win us more points but on the day you can't, however experienced you are, legislate for dodgy decisions like the pen against Blackpool. I mean look at spurs last night! How could Redknapp know that Crouch was going to be so stupid as to commit a stupid foul not just once but twice in a few minutes. He couldn't and he's experienced enough. He'll have set his team up to not give anything away, drilled it into them that they mustn't do anything stupid and lo and behold within 10 mins it's game over and they're out barring a miracle. I'm actually quite a pessimist by nature, but some of the moaning on here is almost making me want to turn into an ostrich, bury my head in the sand and ignore all the things I know are wrong.

[den]

There's moaning and there's MOANING.

We aren't dead and buried, the league is wide open with plenty good teams underachieving, and the manager & the players are up for the fight. Some of the scaremongering on this forum over the last few months has been downright embarrassing - especially from people old enough to know better.

Ever moan about Allardyce and hoofball Topman?

[Mattyblue]

Ever moan about Allardyce and hoofball Topman?

That's moaning not MOANING den

[onlyonejackwalker]

That's moaning not MOANING den

And there is the rub. The amount of fans MOANING about SA when he was in charge was very frustrating, counter productive, damaging and annoying. Especially when it spilled over into matches with the ridiculous 4-4-2 chants and booing at other times. The same fans now get on their high horse if even vague criticisms are levelled at his replacement. Go work it out for yourself.

The facts state we have 13 points from 14 games and the 42 available under this manager. Draw your own conclusions.

[Amo]

Ever moan about Allardyce and hoofball Topman?

As usual Den, what's your point?

People have every right to voice their concerns about the club. I never said otherwise.

But the constant scaremongering and conspiracy theories day after day? That's a joke.