[Archived] Steve Kean

[deryck guyler's spoon]

A big well done to Pafell and Patrick Valery for what, imo, are excellent posts.

The annoying thing is that I've trying and failing to say more or less the same for weeks!

[Majiball]

Touched a nerve there then! Go back read it again. Only one of us(more than one) is spouting( putting forth) Rubbish(Garbage) and it's not me!

Wow you copied what I did, great you can learn. It always brings me a sense of pride when I see learning in action.

Ottoman if you want a debate I have no issue debating my points and issues over Kean. Unfortunatly this does not appear to be the case with you as you seldom do much more than attempt to belittle people.

[thenodrog]

In my view a good post. Kean has been able to bring the best out of Hoilett and Olsson.

C'mon Pafell, Kean hasn't invented Olsson rem, Olsson had a blinding spell this time last year!

Hoilett had obvious natural ability but needed to strengthen the weaker points to his game before he was ready to play regularly in the Prem. Anybody looking at those two youngsters last season would have expected an improvement in consistency and effectiveness as they matured given the obvious talent they possessed. Allardyce is a football man, he's handled enough top talents for us to know that he could spot talent in a player and would not have ignored them for long, fact is that some like Shearer, Jones and Rooney are ready much earlier than the likes of Bale and Walcott. He didn't fail with many under his tutelage and improved most. He'd have got the other players to provide the type of service that Hoilett and Olsson required, cos he's done it time and again in his career.

Look at the careers of Hernandez, Bale, Wilshire and Carroll at other teams, good managers do not rush young talent. In fact that is one issue that I had with Hodgson, he nearly killed Duff off at an early stage through overplaying him.

[roversmum]

In the short term the players are adopting a siege mentality, however long term this ' let the players have their say' approach doesn't argur well...

Why not? Most of our players are very intelligent guys and out on the pitch they will see things differently to the Manager's view and have opinions of their own about what needs to be done. If they can sit down and discuss matters and make suggestions surely that can only be to the good?

[Mattyblue]

Reminds me very much of Steve McCLaren and England, highly paid and pampered players will quickly lose repsect and run amok.

Now, we are lucky at Rovers as we have a lot of very good pros, but footballers thrive on discipline.

[den]

Having a good relationship with your manager is great, but not essential. More important is that the players have respect for the managers capabilities, but there must also be an element of fear.

You can't get by, simply by running a club of contented players.

[roversmum]

Yes, our players are very professional and I'd trust most of them to be well aware of discipline without needing to be told. I'm not talking about discipline, though, Matty, I'm talking about input.

And they have to be fearful of whether they are going to be on the team sheet come Saturday. I know this because I am...

[broadsword]

Reminds me very much of Steve McCLaren and England, highly paid and pampered players will quickly lose repsect and run amok.

Always a bad sign when a manager refers to his players by their nickname.

Completely mental.

[otto man]

Wow you copied what I did, great you can learn. It always brings me a sense of pride when I see learning in action.

Ottoman if you want a debate I have no issue debating my points and issues over Kean. Unfortunatly this does not appear to be the case with you as you seldom do much more than attempt to belittle people.

Read back what you've just written and then tell me you weren't attempting to belittle me. "Hypocrite" springs to mind. Can't take a little banter? Then you shouldn't be on here...Man up and grow a pair!

[RovertheHill]

I thought I made you look like enough of a fool when I clearly demonstrated Sam DID give Hoilett more than a proper shot. But yet you're the one still posting the same pre scripted bullshit.

What a charming response and IMHO indicative of why this messageboard is going downhill.

For what it's worth would I choose Sam as manager for a club with no resources - absolutely 100% resounding yes. Would I choose Kean as his replacement - absolutely 100% resounding no. Would I choose Sam for a club with money to spend? Probably not. Would I choose Kean - 100% resounding no.

That all said, we appear to be stuck with him so I would be DELIGHTED if he does well

[thenodrog]

Always a bad sign when a manager refers to his players by their nickname.

Completely mental.

'Edward Sheringham'... Cloughie

[broadsword]

Old School is the best school

[Mattyblue]

'Edward Sheringham'... Cloughie

Nigel Clough= 'Number 9'... Cloughie

[rebelmswar]

What a charming response and IMHO indicative of why this messageboard is going downhill.

Downhill can not be right as he has been doing that for as long as I can remember. Reading it back to himself in his "ivory" office and scoffing. If TGM was the cause, one would assume we had reached the bottom by now.

Downhills maybe.

But I don't think it is too much, just a lot of worrying people.

It will all be okay.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Players like the boss and the Barmy Army spins it into a negative.

Of course, it wasn't long ago there was supposed to be a "players rebellion" which caused a collective hard on amongst the Angry Brigade.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Players like the boss and the Barmy Army spins it into a negative.

Of course, it wasn't long ago there was supposed to be a "players rebellion" which caused a collective hard on amongst the Angry Brigade.

Do they like him? How do you know? There is a danger in listening to little sound-bites and taking it as gospel. The lads not getting any game time like him do they? The lads picked and then dropped even when scoring like him also? You think EHD likes him and others soon to be cast away? I wonder if Niko likes him?

Honestly, what do you expect them to say? "Our manager is clueless, results have been shocking, Kean is hugely inexperienced and ultimately the group are all very unhappy with him in charge." Dream on.

At the end of the day it is irrelevant whether they like him or not. This isn't Sunday League football and we all go for a drink afterwards. Do they respect him? Do they listen to him? Do they want to play for him?

My guess is that the players have bought a newspaper, looked at the league table and collectively agreed that we are in trouble and know full well it is up to them to get us out of it, hence the improved performances of late.

Alternatively, some would have you believe that our new manager has rallied the troops, explained and quantified his tactics and vision, worked hard on the training ground, demanded improved performances and read them the riot act, subsequently resulting in improved performances.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

[yoda]

Players like the boss and the Barmy Army spins it into a negative.

Of course, it wasn't long ago there was supposed to be a "players rebellion" which caused a collective hard on amongst the Angry Brigade.

[gumboots]

Do they like him? How do you know? There is a danger in listening to little sound-bites and taking it as gospel. The lads not getting any game time like him do they? The lads picked and then dropped even when scoring like him also? You think EHD likes him and others soon to be cast away? I wonder if Niko likes him?

Honestly, what do you expect them to say? "Our manager is clueless, results have been shocking, Kean is hugely inexperienced and ultimately the group are all very unhappy with him in charge." Dream on.

At the end of the day it is irrelevant whether they like him or not. This isn't Sunday League football and we all go for a drink afterwards. Do they respect him? Do they listen to him? Do they want to play for him?

My guess is that the players have bought a newspaper, looked at the league table and collectively agreed that we are in trouble and know full well it is up to them to get us out of it, hence the improved performances of late.

Alternatively, some would have you believe that our new manager has rallied the troops, explained and quantified his tactics and vision, worked hard on the training ground, demanded improved performances and read them the riot act, subsequently resulting in improved performances.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

I know they like him because I heard it from someone who was looking for any signs of negativity and tried hard to catch the player they were talking to out, and couldn't. I believe that person 100% rather than listen to opinions on here about this. The player concerned also said Allardyce was great (if that makes you feel any better), but that Kean was good but different from Allardyce. No ambiguity there, I feel. There was no suggestion that they get away with murder on the training ground or anything like that. If players don't like being dropped then it's up to them to persuade the manager that they are undroppable. If Diouf isn't happy at not being in the squad then he should have thought about how his actions appeared to others who were looking for a stick to beat our club with and had found enough already, without his mouthing off at a guy lying on the ground. Now I don't agree with Warnock's having a go at Diouf either, but being a hate figure for most fans of other clubs already Diouf's actions were hardly wise and i can totally see why any manage might ship him out after that.

[John]

Why the players might like Steve Kean according to Shaun Custis…..

"The unsackable Steve Kean, who was appointed shall we say in questionable circumstances, is not doing it. I understand he indulges the players to try and get them on side and the players tend to do what they want. What they're not doing is winning football matches.”

[PAFELL]

C'mon Pafell, Kean hasn't invented Olsson rem, Olsson had a blinding spell this time last year!

Hoilett had obvious natural ability but needed to strengthen the weaker points to his game before he was ready to play regularly in the Prem. Anybody looking at those two youngsters last season would have expected an improvement in consistency and effectiveness as they matured given the obvious talent they possessed. Allardyce is a football man, he's handled enough top talents for us to know that he could spot talent in a player and would not have ignored them for long, fact is that some like Shearer, Jones and Rooney are ready much earlier than the likes of Bale and Walcott. He didn't fail with many under his tutelage and improved most. He'd have got the other players to provide the type of service that Hoilett and Olsson required, cos he's done it time and again in his career.

Look at the careers of Hernandez, Bale, Wilshire and Carroll at other teams, good managers do not rush young talent. In fact that is one issue that I had with Hodgson, he nearly killed Duff off at an early stage through overplaying him.

I think you may have misunderstood part of my post. It is probable that Sam would have given, Hoilett more games when he saw fit to do so. No Kean did not invent either olsson or Hoilett. Yes they probable both need to up there game a bit and to their credit they have done so. My opinion is that maybe Kean has given them both the chance to prove themselves a little bit earlier than Sam would have done - but that is only a personal opinion.

I am not and have no intention of putting Sam down. He has more than proved his worth as a manager ages ago.

What I am saying is like it or not, Kean is the manager and as that is not changing until the owners decide to do so - for the sake of the club and the team we have to support him. Bascally he is a new man, in a new job who needs the support of those around him as well as the supportetrs - probable more so than an already established manager. Kean is still learning his new trade - hopefully he will learn fast. How he got the job has been debated to death and it is time for us all to move on from that.

Kean is in the hot seat - we want Rovers to stay up - therefore we all need to support the club and the manager in order to acheive that goal.

[Mattyblue]

Players like the boss and the Barmy Army spins it into a negative.

Of course, it wasn't long ago there was supposed to be a "players rebellion" which caused a collective hard on amongst the Angry Brigade.

Is your role on here now just to make snide comments?

Why would the 'Angry Brigade' get a hard on at the thought of a player rebellion?

[vintageadidas]

I am warming to SK!

[rebelmswar]

I am warming to SK!

Is he on fire somewhere near you?

[rovers_rob]

Why the players might like Steve Kean according to Shaun Custis…..

"The unsackable Steve Kean, who was appointed shall we say in questionable circumstances, is not doing it. I understand he indulges the players to try and get them on side and the players tend to do what they want. What they're not doing is winning football matches.”

Yeah I know it is only 1 match and I am completely naive etc... but ...

the players looked well drilled on Saturday against Arsenal. There was a definite game plan in place and I don't believe the players would manage to organise themselves and play like they did without the managers influence.

I agree that Kean probably did indulge the players a bit to much at the beginning but he does have a ruthless streak in him which every manager needs. He shipped Diouf out fairly quickly and I don't think Nicko will play just because he is spitting his dummy out.

With regards to all this talk about him back stabbing and questionable appointment, it wasn't just him who got promoted when Sam was sacked. If there was so much love and loyalty for Sam then the proper decent thing to do would be for the whole coaching team to refuse to work under the "back stabber".

At the end of the day judge the guy on results not how he got the job because most people wouldn't think twice about taking a promotion if one was offered to them.

All this holier than thou stuff is just so hypocritical.

I wonder if Shaun Custis would refuse to be promoted if his boss got sacked ?

With regards to the results, fair enough they are not great and people have kindly pointed that out on many occasions but I have seen an improvement so for the moment I am going to stick with Kean.

[vintageadidas]

Is he on fire somewhere near you?

haha! Very good

No he isn't.... i think like all jobs - you need to find your feet after a settling in period! I really think he has settled in now and he is growing into the position. Everyone needs to start somewhere.