[Archived] Steve Kean

[dubdubdub]

50% of people on here had their mind made up about Kean when the man who sold pies left.

A quarter joined that group once they realised that was the popular gang.

I imagine one or two are just racist towards Scots.

The same 75% (+1 or 2) now defend their original argument with all the passion they have because they're too narrow minded.

I fully understand we are in a relegation fight but at the same time I have the capacity to deduce that performances have picked up and that contrary to popular belief this is not solely down to the players; If the so then we'd well and truly be up a ###### creek. I read some crap a page or so back that read; 'the arsenal game is'nt a great positive for kean the tactics afterall were forced on him being away at arsenal just defend for our live'. Once you've figured out what the hell's being said you realise that that's a load of crap.

I'm not of the mind that Kean's the second coming...I too have been disappointed by past results. I think a bit of perspective is required though. He has just taken over this team. He is playing better football. We have been unlucky in the two games prior to Arsenal. We drew with Arsenal away...we did not park a bus and get rid of the ball like we repelled it.

We've been a little unfortunate and after the last two results belief should be with the team. I look forward to coming here on Sunday and reading how little credit Kean gets when we win.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

50% of people on here had their mind made up about Kean when the man who sold pies left.

A quarter joined that group once they realised that was the popular gang.

I imagine one or two are just racist towards Scots.

The same 75% (+1 or 2) now defend their original argument with all the passion they have because they're too narrow minded.

I fully understand we are in a relegation fight but at the same time I have the capacity to deduce that performances have picked up and that contrary to popular belief this is not solely down to the players; If the so then we'd well and truly be up a ###### creek. I read some crap a page or so back that read; 'the arsenal game is'nt a great positive for kean the tactics afterall were forced on him being away at arsenal just defend for our live'. Once you've figured out what the hell's being said you realise that that's a load of crap.

I'm not of the mind that Kean's the second coming...I too have been disappointed by past results. I think a bit of perspective is required though. He has just taken over this team. He is playing better football. We have been unlucky in the two games prior to Arsenal. We drew with Arsenal away...we did not park a bus and get rid of the ball like we repelled it.

We've been a little unfortunate and after the last two results belief should be with the team. I look forward to coming here on Sunday and reading how little credit Kean gets when we win.

Top post.

[tony gale's mic]

He has just taken over this team. He is playing better football. We have been unlucky in the two games prior to Arsenal. We drew with Arsenal away...we did not park a bus and get rid of the ball like we repelled it.

We've been a little unfortunate and after the last two results belief should be with the team. I look forward to coming here on Sunday and reading how little credit Kean gets when we win.

He is not playing better football. He won't be playing better football until the results are at least vaguely similar to before he came.

If we win then that'll be great, and Kean will deserve some credit. But prior to his arrival, Birmingham at home would practically be a home banker. We hadn't lost at home to a bottom half team during the whole of Sam's reign. This would be the sort of game we'd be expecting to win.

[Mattyblue]

Aye, whst have Scots ever acheived at BRFC...

[RovertheHill]

If you could point me to all of the posts where I've been whining (except for the usual after lost games, bad news etc) you're more than welcome. The search posts facility is your friend...

[patrickvalery]

He is not playing better football. He won't be playing better football until the results are at least vaguely similar to before he came.

If we win then that'll be great, and Kean will deserve some credit. But prior to his arrival, Birmingham at home would practically be a home banker. We hadn't lost at home to a bottom half team during the whole of Sam's reign. This would be the sort of game we'd be expecting to win.

TGM, you and i have had our disagreements in the past. However, its water under the bridge now. I try to reply to you in a civil and respectful manner which i hope was demonstrated by my post directed at you yesterday. It is clear my footballing ethos is not shared by yourself and visa versa. No problem with that whatsoever. I guess that is what this message board is all about.

You are clearly a well educated sort who can defend and argue any particular view pont. However, debate is not your strong point. You lose credibility when you throw childish insults at people, dismiss their opinions and claim your own opinions to be factual and beyond reproach. I mean this absolutley sincerely, you need to calm yourself down. If you are dismayed by "the stupidity of some of the posts on here" then you are giving this place far too much room and importance in your life. Take a wee break and try to relax because i think you may be doing lasting harm to yourself by getting so wound up. Save the angst for Saturdays my friend.

I am afraid i am not too special at computer wizardry, so i can't quote your post to me yesterday evening. However, in reference to your points about Hoillet's playing time under Allardyce, i bow down to your researched figures. I was not aware he had played so much in terms of minutes, over match caps. I guess we can agree slightly that he has flourished this season due to change in playing styles and a greater maturity. Whatever the reason, we all have benefited as Rovers fans.

As i also said, Allardyce was a master at playing to his strengths. He used formations and tactics he felt best suited our playing staff. He did it very well and got decent rewards. Your point about the Hoillet's game benefiting while the rest of the side has suffered is very true. However, it is important to consider the pressure from above. Venky's allegedy demanded a more attractive brand of football. It may have been Kean's mandate to implement this.

Finally, i think deryck guyler's spoon pretty much hit the nail on the head. We need to give our utmost support in the short term. Anything other than this is just counter productive.

[sentient]

TGM, you and i have had our disagreements in the past. However, its water under the bridge now. I try to reply to you in a civil and respectful manner which i hope was demonstrated by my post directed at you yesterday. It is clear my footballing ethos is not shared by yourself and visa versa. No problem with that whatsoever. I guess that is what this message board is all about.

You are clearly a well educated sort who can defend and argue any particular view pont. However, debate is not your strong point. You lose credibility when you throw childish insults at people, dismiss their opinions and claim your own opinions to be factual and beyond reproach. I mean this absolutley sincerely, you need to calm yourself down. If you are dismayed by "the stupidity of some of the posts on here" then you are giving this place far too much room and importance in your life. Take a wee break and try to relax because i think you may be doing lasting harm to yourself by getting so wound up. Save the angst for Saturdays my friend.

I am afraid i am not too special at computer wizardry, so i can't quote your post to me yesterday evening. However, in reference to your points about Hoillet's playing time under Allardyce, i bow down to your researched figures. I was not aware he had played so much in terms of minutes, over match caps. I guess we can agree slightly that he has flourished this season due to change in playing styles and a greater maturity. Whatever the reason, we all have benefited as Rovers fans.

As i also said, Allardyce was a master at playing to his strengths. He used formations and tactics he felt best suited our playing staff. He did it very well and got decent rewards. Your point about the Hoillet's game benefiting while the rest of the side has suffered is very true. However, it is important to consider the pressure from above. Venky's allegedy demanded a more attractive brand of football. It may have been Kean's mandate to implement this.

Finally, i think deryck guyler's spoon pretty much hit the nail on the head. We need to give our utmost support in the short term. Anything other than this is just counter productive.

Whilst complaining about angst-ridden posts you demonstrate yourself all the condescending snide oneupmanship that you purport to be against. Why don't posters just get on with it? Just accept the (perceived) insults and move on. Don't mind insulting a few myself but you seem to be responding to nowt.

[Mattyblue]

What do Venkt's know about different styles of football?

How did they know Kean had any managemen ability, leadership qualities or nous to change our style?

What's done is done but you will never convince me that Sam was removed for any other reason than he would be too hard to control and had the wrong people representing him.

[otto man]

Whilst complaining about angst-ridden posts you demonstrate yourself all the condescending snide oneupmanship that you purport to be against. Why don't posters just get on with it? Just accept the (perceived) insults and move on. Don't mind insulting a few myself but you seem to be responding to nowt.

Please do expand on that comment . I for one find nothing snide nor condescending about it. Considering the conceited, self opinionated, insulting and arrogant tone of the majority of "The Doc's" posts I was impressed by how measured the response was.

A Big +1 For Patrick

[patrickvalery]

Whilst complaining about angst-ridden posts you demonstrate yourself all the condescending snide oneupmanship that you purport to be against. Why don't posters just get on with it? Just accept the (perceived) insults and move on. Don't mind insulting a few myself but you seem to be responding to nowt.

It was genuine thanks very much. I'm not looking to point score whatsoever. My post to TGM yesterday actually showed we agreed on a few points. I think its a real shame that somebody gets so wound up by posts on here that they feel the need to direct agressive comments at other posters. Its a football forum. Debate is healthy, but insults are not. Not for the person they are directed at or the person directing them.

At the end of the day very few of us know who we are posting to. This site can be accessed by anyone. I wonder if you'd feel happy if your son or daughter was the subject of insults becuse they happened to express an opinion.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

What's done is done but you will never convince me that Sam was removed for any other reason than he would be too hard to control and had the wrong people representing him.

Why not? What do you base such a vehement belief on?

[Ralfinho]

I have heard that Benitez is being lined up to be our manager next season (meeting already taken place) with kean moving to be his no 2 and jensen to become 1st team coach. Obviously this all depends on if we stay up or not. That way kean is not being fired from his 2.5 year contract and no severance pay will need to be paid out!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I have heard that Benitez is being lined up to be our manager next season (meeting already taken place) with kean moving to be his no 2 and jensen to become 1st team coach. Obviously this all depends on if we stay up or not. That way kean is not being fired from his 2.5 year contract and no severance pay will need to be paid out!

That's some revelation! The Raos would need very deep pockets to keep Snr Benetez happy!

[PAFELL]

I have heard that Benitez is being lined up to be our manager next season (meeting already taken place) with kean moving to be his no 2 and jensen to become 1st team coach. Obviously this all depends on if we stay up or not. That way kean is not being fired from his 2.5 year contract and no severance pay will need to be paid out!

Where have you heard that from?

[Ralfinho]

Where have you heard that from?

I cant reveal my sources unfortunately as this would end my communication line from within the club

[47er]

As far as I'm concerned Benitez is a failed manager. Spent an absolute fortune on players who got worse and worse, played really boring football and was totally dependent on Torres and Stevie Gerrard. Finally blamed everyone but himself for Liverpool's failures including the owners who apparently hadn't sufficiently backed him in the transfer market! Left, went to another big club and failed again.

So no enthusiasm from me for this potential appointment.

Is this moaning negativity by the way?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

As far as I'm concerned Benitez is a failed manager. Spent an absolute fortune on players who got worse and worse, played really boring football and was totally dependent on Torres and Stevie Gerrard. Finally blamed everyone but himself for Liverpool's failures including the owners who apparently hadn't sufficiently backed him in the transfer market! Left, went to another big club and failed again.

So no enthusiasm from me for this potential appointment.

Is this moaning negativity by the way?

Only if the waiter is appointed 47.

[PAFELL]

I cant reveal my sources unfortunately as this would end my communication line from within the club

Here we go again. If something such as you said has come out from within the club and your not prepared to share - then it is best to keep it to yourself.

[Mattyblue]

Why not? What do you base such a vehement belief on?

a) Venky's by their own admission know naff all about football. This belief that Mrs Desai would be somehow unhappy with Sam's percentage game and would like more tika taka is beyond ridiculous.

b. Why were Allardyce and McDonald removed from their posts (non SEM), but the third member of the coaching staff- Kean (SEM)kept on and promoted?

Now I know you enjoy getting a rise out of posters, but you cannot serioulsy belief that the removal of Sam and and appointment of Kean was a pure football one with no SEM involvement?

[Ralfinho]

Here we go again. If something such as you said has come out from within the club and your not prepared to share - then it is best to keep it to yourself.

Hang on a min, have I not just shared the information? Because I wont tell you who told me makes you go into a huff!!!

[LeChuck]

He is playing better football.

Absolute rubbish! It's hard to take the rest of the post seriously because I wonder what you've been watching.

The four goals against Fulham and Blackpool were four of the scrappiest you'll ever see. We can only score when lumping the ball forward to big men. Effective yes, but not in the slightest bit 'good football'. The Arsenal game was a proper 'park the bus' job. Again, effective but ugly.

Here's a stat for you. In the Bolton game (which a lot of people said was unacceptable), we completed more passes than either the Fulham are Arsenal game. In fact, it was only 9 less than the Blackpool at home game - a game where you would expect to have the lion's share of possession.

I'll give Kean credit in that he's finally realised we need to be ugly to be effective. Please don't pretend it's better football than under Allardyce though, it really isn't.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

a) Venky's by their own admission know naff all about football. This belief that Mrs Desai would be somehow unhappy with Sam's percentage game and would like more tika taka is beyond ridiculous.

b. Why were Allardyce and McDonald removed from their posts (non SEM), but the third member of the coaching staff- Kean (SEM)kept on and promoted?

Now I know you enjoy getting a rise out of posters, but you cannot serioulsy belief that the removal of Sam and and appointment of Kean was a pure football one with no SEM involvement?

I'm not sure what to believe, I'm not in possession of the facts. Therefore I dont post my suspicions as fact.

I do suspect that the Allardyce sacking was based on a percieved style of football and carried out naively.

I think Kean was appointed because Venky's acted before thinking and then were left scratching their heads at who to appoint as the new boss. As for Jensen I dont think it is beyond the rhealms of possibility that Kentaro/SEM/Whatever were asked for advice and Jensen's name was put forward.

None of the above is far fetched but it is just my take on it. It's my belief that Venkys are idiots.

If you live in the land of grassy knolls and bogus Moon landings where hijacked aircraft are piloted by Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones then I suppose that just isn't enough.

[John]

Absolute rubbish! It's hard to take the rest of the post seriously because I wonder what you've been watching.

The four goals against Fulham and Blackpool were four of the scrappiest you'll ever see. We can only score when lumping the ball forward to big men. Effective yes, but not in the slightest bit 'good football'. The Arsenal game was a proper 'park the bus' job. Again, effective but ugly.

Here's a stat for you. In the Bolton game (which a lot of people said was unacceptable), we completed more passes than either the Fulham are Arsenal game. In fact, it was only 9 less than the Blackpool at home game - a game where you would expect to have the lion's share of possession.

I'll give Kean credit in that he's finally realised we need to be ugly to be effective. Please don't pretend it's better football than under Allardyce though, it really isn't.

I thought we did ok in that Bolton game.

Would agree, the style of football has not been that great so far under Kean however, for any new manager, it would take time to implement a new passing/attacking style or a new way of playing. More relevant to this. would be that IMO, we will require better quality players in the team to play attacking football and also consistently win football matches (or pick up points).

Who knows, Formica next season could be a revelation - given the current quality within our squad, a top class midfielder and striker at a minimum would be required.

Just wish people, sometimes, could put their personal dislike of Big Sam to one side and try and accept he is a very good, experienced manager who did an excellent job here it really does taint their views making them pretty inaccurate.

[47er]

Hang on a min, have I not just shared the information? Because I wont tell you who told me makes you go into a huff!!!

I agree with you. I would much rather know about a potential appointment than not and I don't expect people to produce proof everytime they post what they've heard which would then prevent them posting anything more they heard!

So thanks for telling us and keep telling us!

[LeChuck]

Would agree, the style of football has not been that great so far under Kean – however, for any new manager, it would take time to implement a new passing/attacking style (or a new way of playing).

Initially it was better. The West Brom games and the Liverpool one were entertaining.

The problem was they were the exception to the rule in terms of results. Kean couldn't keep us playing like that without making us really easy to beat. Even in the games we were winning we were relying on Robinson/woodwork/poor finishing to save us, we were gifting teams chance after chance.

He's realised that we couldn't continue that way and adopted the style Sam did. He needs to do that until the end of the season if we're going to survive, then look to change style in the summer. I think because he had sold himself on playing attacking football he had to do it straight from the off, and we really suffered.