[Archived] Steve Kean

[Ralfinho]

I agree with you. I would much rather know about a potential appointment than not and I don't expect people to produce proof everytime they post what they've heard which would then prevent them posting anything more they heard!

So thanks for telling us and keep telling us!

Thank you for the appreciation 47er!!!!

[PAFELL]

Hang on a min, have I not just shared the information? Because I wont tell you who told me makes you go into a huff!!!

Haven't gone into a huff. But for awhile now we have people say they have heard this and that coming out of the club - sometimes things that turned out false. To the extent that now we have to question when people say they heard this and that coming out of the club.

As far as I'm concerned Benitez is a failed manager. Spent an absolute fortune on players who got worse and worse, played really boring football and was totally dependent on Torres and Stevie Gerrard. Finally blamed everyone but himself for Liverpool's failures including the owners who apparently hadn't sufficiently backed him in the transfer market! Left, went to another big club and failed again.

So no enthusiasm from me for this potential appointment.

Is this moaning negativity by the way?

Whilst Daglish is still around Anfield, I do not think any manager has much chance of success. Common knowledge that fans favorite is always going to be Daglish and the players know this also. I won't judge Benitez just on his liverpool time.

[broadsword]

I have heard that Benitez is being lined up to be our manager next season (meeting already taken place) with kean moving to be his no 2 and jensen to become 1st team coach. Obviously this all depends on if we stay up or not. That way kean is not being fired from his 2.5 year contract and no severance pay will need to be paid out!

"Things are never so bad they can't get any worse."

[Mattyblue]

I'm not sure what to believe, I'm not in possession of the facts. Therefore I dont post my suspicions as fact.

I do suspect that the Allardyce sacking was based on a percieved style of football and carried out naively.

I think Kean was appointed because Venky's acted before thinking and then were left scratching their heads at who to appoint as the new boss. As for Jensen I dont think it is beyond the rhealms of possibility that Kentaro/SEM/Whatever were asked for advice and Jensen's name was put forward.

None of the above is far fetched but it is just my take on it. It's my belief that Venkys are idiots.

If you live in the land of grassy knolls and bogus Moon landings where hijacked aircraft are piloted by Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones then I suppose that just isn't enough.

Can't really argue with that. I don't believe this is a 'conspiracy', just naivety.

The owners have been manipulated massively by third parties.

[dubdubdub]

Absolute rubbish! It's hard to take the rest of the post seriously because I wonder what you've been watching.

The four goals against Fulham and Blackpool were four of the scrappiest you'll ever see. We can only score when lumping the ball forward to big men. Effective yes, but not in the slightest bit 'good football'. The Arsenal game was a proper 'park the bus' job. Again, effective but ugly.

Here's a stat for you. In the Bolton game (which a lot of people said was unacceptable), we completed more passes than either the Fulham are Arsenal game. In fact, it was only 9 less than the Blackpool at home game - a game where you would expect to have the lion's share of possession.

I'll give Kean credit in that he's finally realised we need to be ugly to be effective. Please don't pretend it's better football than under Allardyce though, it really isn't.

You really think under Al-lard-ass we'd have managed to complete more than three passes against Arsenal? And the Bolton game was poor...were all these passes you speak of backwards leading up to a hoof? Stats don't tell you everything. I know from watching that we are making more forward passes than before.

It really is better football.

And just so you know...if it so desperately needs to be said then I don't take you seriously either. Further to that...I dislike you.

[Iceman]

I cant reveal my sources unfortunately as this would end my communication line from within the club

[John]

SAM Allardyce believes Blackburn Rovers would not be fighting against relegation this season had he been left in charge at Ewood Park.

[ada2020]

SAM Allardyce believes Blackburn Rovers would not be fighting against relegation this season had he been left in charge at Ewood Park.

Really?..........

[broadsword]

Further to that...I dislike you.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!

[Majiball]

The bonus with a manager like Rafa is that you know someone like him would not come unless we were prepared to spend some serious money.

[Mattyblue]

SAM Allardyce believes Blackburn Rovers would not be fighting against relegation this season had he been left in charge at Ewood Park.

hmmm, that's a debating point for this board

[LeChuck]

You really think under Al-lard-ass we'd have managed to complete more than three passes against Arsenal? And the Bolton game was poor...were all these passes you speak of backwards leading up to a hoof? Stats don't tell you everything. I know from watching that we are making more forward passes than before.

It really is better football.

And just so you know...if it so desperately needs to be said then I don't take you seriously either. Further to that...I dislike you.

Of course stats don't tell you everything. However, in this case they are well supported by the the goals we have scored recently. Very little passing, just hoof it into the box and hope. No shame in that, it's what we're best at.

The stats and type of goals provide a strong case. There isn't anything on the counter side that isn't conjecture.

I'm not touching that last line btw...good work though.

[den]

hmmm, that's a debating point for this board

Go on then, I'll start. If the blinkers were off, we all know he's right, Totally and absolutely right.

Oh and to add, I just caught the end of Andy Gray discussing whether rovers would be in this position now, if Sam had still been in charge. "absolutely not" was his reply. They might have been discussing Sam's comments, I don't know.

Folks - be happy.

[John]

Sam is pretty much stating the obvious with his comments.

[den]

It really is better football.

To add to those Andy Gray comments, he was rather pessimistic about our chances of staying up. He says, "if you take away the point at Arsenal from the last 6 games, Rovers lost the other 5. He looked at our home games including Man City and Man Utd and wasn't at all optimistic.

Fair to say Gray's a neutral?

So dubdubdub, I don't know what football you think is better.

[gumboots]

The bonus with a manager like Rafa is that you know someone like him would not come unless we were prepared to spend some serious money.

And the downside is, he'd probably waste it on chopping and changing the squad so much we wouldn't recognise our own players half the time.

[ada2020]

To add to those Andy Gray comments, he was rather pessimistic about our chances of staying up. He says, "if you take away the point at Arsenal from the last 6 games, Rovers lost the other 5. He looked at our home games including Man City and Man Utd and wasn't at all optimistic.

Fair to say Gray's a neutral?

So dubdubdub, I don't know what football you think is better.

Not that it makes a massive difference, but did we not bag a point in the previous game to Blackpool?

[tony gale's mic]

TGM, you and i have had our disagreements in the past. However, its water under the bridge now. I try to reply to you in a civil and respectful manner which i hope was demonstrated by my post directed at you yesterday. It is clear my footballing ethos is not shared by yourself and visa versa. No problem with that whatsoever. I guess that is what this message board is all about.

You are clearly a well educated sort who can defend and argue any particular view pont. However, debate is not your strong point. You lose credibility when you throw childish insults at people, dismiss their opinions and claim your own opinions to be factual and beyond reproach. I mean this absolutley sincerely, you need to calm yourself down. If you are dismayed by "the stupidity of some of the posts on here" then you are giving this place far too much room and importance in your life. Take a wee break and try to relax because i think you may be doing lasting harm to yourself by getting so wound up. Save the angst for Saturdays my friend.

I am afraid i am not too special at computer wizardry, so i can't quote your post to me yesterday evening. However, in reference to your points about Hoillet's playing time under Allardyce, i bow down to your researched figures. I was not aware he had played so much in terms of minutes, over match caps. I guess we can agree slightly that he has flourished this season due to change in playing styles and a greater maturity. Whatever the reason, we all have benefited as Rovers fans.

As i also said, Allardyce was a master at playing to his strengths. He used formations and tactics he felt best suited our playing staff. He did it very well and got decent rewards. Your point about the Hoillet's game benefiting while the rest of the side has suffered is very true. However, it is important to consider the pressure from above. Venky's allegedy demanded a more attractive brand of football. It may have been Kean's mandate to implement this.

Finally, i think deryck guyler's spoon pretty much hit the nail on the head. We need to give our utmost support in the short term. Anything other than this is just counter productive.

So I can "defend and argue any particular viewpoint" and then you claim debating isn't my strong point. Contradiction much? Obviously you have problems with some of the comments I throw out, but they're hardly anything that crosses the line and certainly nothing anyone should get too sensitive about. I only use them with people who will keep making outlandish claims even when they've been proved wrong time and time again.

And someone else was right, that bit in bold is about eight hundred times more condescending than anything I've ever posted. I don't take this forum overly seriously, if I did then I'd be far more careful about some of the things I'd say. But at the end of the day it's only a discussion board and the comments I make aren't anything particularly bad and almost always placed within the context of a point I'm making. If someone wanted to call me stupid for my views, rather than getting overly upset than someone who doesn't really know me and who's never met me, I'd challenge them on why they thought this.

Shame so many people are so sensitive isn't it?

And DGS, as per usual, did not hit the nail on the head. Posts about Kean should not necessarily be supportive, if he's taking this club down (and we'll get a much better idea about that after Saturday), then all criticism of Kean is pretty much valid. This is a discussion board, and god help us all if Kean logs on here every morning.

[den]

Not that it makes a massive difference, but did we not bag a point in the previous game to Blackpool?

Yeah, sorry. I think he was talking about away games.

Oh hang on, I remember now. He said the last 6 games have yielded 3 points and if that is taken forward to the end of the season, we're going down. Don't know why I started this. Made a right balls of it!

[blue_and_white]

You really think under Al-lard-ass we'd have managed to complete more than three passes against Arsenal? And the Bolton game was poor...were all these passes you speak of backwards leading up to a hoof? Stats don't tell you everything. I know from watching that we are making more forward passes than before.

It really is better football.

And just so you know...if it so desperately needs to be said then I don't take you seriously either. Further to that...I dislike you.

Whats better about it? Failed passing football has never been better than successful long ball football and never will be. Thats what this has been under Kean, a generally failed attempt to play good football. Its worked 4 times, hasn't worked 11 times. Saturday was superb but one swallow doesn't make a summer and we've still every chance of going down. On form we're down and on fixtures we're probably down. The only things in our favour are that we still have a 2 point cushion over Wolves and we know these players are capable of better.

Great to see another fat insult to support an anti-Allardyce post by the way. It really doesn't devalue your point or show you up to be a petty, bitter fan that you can't resist personally attacking the guy you're supposed to be logically debating.

[ada2020]

Yeah, sorry. I think he was talking about away games.

Fair enough, in Keans defence Allardyce's away record was far from stunning.

[den]

Fair enough, in Keans defence Allardyce's away record was far from stunning.

Just edited my post ada.

[ada2020]

Just edited my post ada.

No worries, I would agree with Grays comment there.

But I hold out hope we have turned the corner now, and have the grit to scrape accross the line.

[PAFELL]

SAM Allardyce believes Blackburn Rovers would not be fighting against relegation this season had he been left in charge at Ewood Park.

Lets be honest he is not likely to say the opposite to that. He is also the only manager of Rovers - in modern times to have suffered a 7 1 defeat to man u. That is also on his record.

[broadsword]

I think that we've really missed Phil Jones (not that that's wholly an excuse for our shocking form). It may well be his return that keeps us up.

Alternatively, we could now revert to type and get spanked until May.