[Archived] Steve Kean

[gumboots]

Would the likes of Fergie, Cloughie, Paisley, Shankley have done this ?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-s-Steve-Kean-has-called-on-help-from-experienced-players-Chris-Samba-Ryan-Nelsen-David-Dunn-and-Paul-Robinson-article721345.html

I don't think so.

IMO, weak management, just 'indulging' the players.

Different times. It's the same in most jobs now. When I was at school pupils would have had no say in appointing staff. Now every school has a pupils' panel who conduct interviews and say who they would appoint and theri views are heard. If you make people feel involved they are more likely to do their utmost to make things as good as they can. Most clubs too have an assistant who really knows the younger players and he does a lot of the stuff that these players are doing. In our case, the guy who best knows the players is already the manager, so what better to do than sit down with those players and give them a chance to have their say. Also if he's asking for help it's at least realisisng that he needs it, so I can't see any problem with it myself. Provided the players aren't picking the team (although even then that can work) then I don't see where your problem with it lies.

btw If you want to know why Kalinic isn't playin, look no further than this article - if true it might explain.

[Stuart]

It's interesting that no strikers are mentioned by Kean. Experienced or young. Maybe that's why we aren't scoring.

We sound like a nice unit is forming there but is it at the expense of the whole team?

And Samba, Nelsen, Dunn and Robbo have "played at the highest level"? Only Robbo has CL experience. With only him and Nelsen playing in the WC. For the first time Kean's crown as Presser King seems to be slipping. His interview in the LT yesterday seemed nervy and awkward too. Must be really feeling the pressure.

Looks like it's officially down to the players now if we survive or not. Can't see Mourinho ever putting that kind of pressure on his team. Or "The Best Young Manager in the Country" TM. Or anyone for that matter...

[ada2020]

Would the likes of Fergie, Cloughie, Paisley, Shankley have done this ?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-s-Steve-Kean-has-called-on-help-from-experienced-players-Chris-Samba-Ryan-Nelsen-David-Dunn-and-Paul-Robinson-article721345.html

I don't think so.

IMO, weak management, just 'indulging' the players.

Well done Miseryman!!

[Stuart]

Btw Mercerman, whilst I see your point, if you are comparing Kean with that list of managers, you are bound to be very disappointed.

Careful or people are going to start thinking you are Vinjay in disguise.

[Majiball]

I'm sorry? Their wives have a say in what time they start training? What the dickens is this? If my husband was paid the kind of money these guys get he could start training at 5am. Can't believe that

That statement doesn't surprise me one bit and I'd hazard it was true.

[sentient]

Different times. It's the same in most jobs now. When I was at school pupils would have had no say in appointing staff. Now every school has a pupils' panel who conduct interviews and say who they would appoint and theri views are heard. If you make people feel involved they are more likely to do their utmost to make things as good as they can. Most clubs too have an assistant who really knows the younger players and he does a lot of the stuff that these players are doing. In our case, the guy who best knows the players is already the manager, so what better to do than sit down with those players and give them a chance to have their say. Also if he's asking for help it's at least realisisng that he needs it, so I can't see any problem with it myself. Provided the players aren't picking the team (although even then that can work) then I don't see where your problem with it lies.

btw If you want to know why Kalinic isn't playin, look no further than this article - if true it might explain.

Blimin 'eck! You work at Darwen Vale or summat init!? Spose this shouldn't be a reason for getting on Kean's case but somehow I just don't think it'll play out like that. Nothing wrong though with taking opinions of senior staff into account, just so long as they're not running the show.

[bellamy11]

Personally can't see anything wrong with having that kind of arrangement, especially as it's unlikely that he and JJ can effectively work the Clough/Taylor good cop/bad cop routine to get through to players. Am a bit surprised that Salgado isn't in the group though - surely he's the most experienced and battle-hardened of the lot of them?

Inevitably any good results are now going to be attributed to the senior players and not Kean, but I'm beyond caring now. Let's just get the points on the board and take stock again in the summer.

[Mattyblue]

To be a footballer...

What time you want to start lads? Half 10? 11? Up to you.

Dear me.

[roversmum]

As long as they don't want flexi-time.

Picture the scenario - we're a goal up against Man U and in the final ten minutes of the match, they're just about to take a corner...

"Hold everything. John, Samba needs to come off NOW - his flexi time leave is starting"

[gumboots]

Blimin 'eck! You work at Darwen Vale or summat init!? Spose this shouldn't be a reason for getting on Kean's case but somehow I just don't think it'll play out like that. Nothing wrong though with taking opinions of senior staff into account, just so long as they're not running the show.

No, I work at one of the best schools in Blackburn where standards are high and which Ofsted say is good with outstanding features. A more co-operative stle of management works well in most businesses. There still has to be a boss who has the final say and carries the can if anything goes wrong, but getting more people on board, provided they don't become a clique or actually think they run the place, can't be a bad idea. Surely asking Dunn, who cares about our club because it's his club too, and Nelsen, who has been here a while and has no loyalties to any other club but Rovers must be beneficial. Better that than open warfare between players and management which was the scenario many presented on here earlier in the season. It's not bribery - it's using your resources sensibly. We don't have a large coaching staff, so why not use what we do have. Why does football have to stay in the age of the dinosaurs while the rest of the world moves on. I bet you all feel more valued by your employer if your views on certain subjects are listened to, and if the ideas are good, put ito practice.

[den]

To be honest, we don't really know what's going on. The impression being given though, with this kind of message being sent out - along with his visits to India and the "we never mention relegation" quotes, is that it's all very happy slappy. Too much so? Maybe. Like I said before, contented squads are not what's needed. Recognising the situation and facing up to it is what's needed.

Get the three points today, stay up and then hopefully the owners will have learnt enough to do the necessary things in the summer.

COYB!

[Gav]

Love the new regime or hate them, one things for sure, we all want a win today and thats where the focus should be now, leave this other cr@p for next week.

[jim mk2]

The best and most successful British managers such as Ferguson, Clough, Stein, Cullis etc are / were tyrants (@#/?s). I doubt they would have much truck with this sort of nonsense. Mourinho seems to enjoy a good "relationship" with his players but as he himself said, he was special. I don't think Kean's quite in the Mourinho class yet.

[sentient]

The best and most successful British managers such as Ferguson, Clough, Stein, Cullis etc are / were tyrants (@#/?s). I doubt they would have much truck with this sort of nonsense. Mourinho seems to enjoy a good "relationship" with his players but as he himself said, he was special. I don't think Kean's quite in the Mourinho class yet.

Crikey Jim, Stan Cullis! You really are from a different era arncha?

[den]

Well Jim didn't go round the houses as I did, but he's dead right.

[MeanGreenMachine]

The best and most successful British managers such as Ferguson, Clough, Stein, Cullis etc are / were tyrants (@#/?s). I doubt they would have much truck with this sort of nonsense. Mourinho seems to enjoy a good "relationship" with his players but as he himself said, he was special. I don't think Kean's quite in the Mourinho class yet.

Bobby Robson didnt do bad for himself by being open and having a good relationship with the players.

But im not going to say whats right or wrong in terms of management, i just think people are just digging for anything to have a go.

All this means nothing, all that matters is we win today.

[yoda]

To be a footballer...

What time you want to start lads? Half 10? 11? Up to you.

Dear me.

some people should learn how to read, from the piece

“What the senior group will do is mention if there are any issues. Sometimes it’s tiny things like asking if we can start training every day at the same time. In the past we would start at 10.30 and other days it would be 11, and that probably upsets their wives more if they are being honest.’’

that reads to me like training will now be a fixed time.

the rest reads like the players are being treated like adults,

jimk2, get a life

[thenodrog]

That was "funny" the first 8 times you used it. It's getting as bad as Lancs Utd now though!

Was it Jisty? How odd. It was never meant to be funny.

However I'll continue to use it until it no longer applies to the Venkey modus operendi. It's a philosophy which to date appears to be ingrained in them.

If it's any consolation Gray would probably have predicted Arsenal 3 Rovers 0.

So would most of us on here Jisty. btw What was your prediction?

[thenodrog]

Would the likes of Fergie, Cloughie, Paisley, Shankley have done this ?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-s-Steve-Kean-has-called-on-help-from-experienced-players-Chris-Samba-Ryan-Nelsen-David-Dunn-and-Paul-Robinson-article721345.html

I don't think so.

IMO, weak management, just 'indulging' the players.

"Now experienced quartet Chris Samba, David Dunn, Ryan Nelsen and Paul Robinson regularly hold chats in the manager’s office. And the committee held its latest meeting last night with Kean desperate to ensure his players are up for the crunch clash with Birmingham today."

So if thats true it's becoming clear that Kean is no longer in the driving seat. The final straw must have been HT v Blackpool as many of us suspected. It's not as it should be but if that was the case and we avoid relegation then I have no objections.

"Have you finished cleaning our boots with your tongue Steve? Good make another brew then cock." Certainly gives the lie to the crackpots who maintain that the reversion to Allardyce tactics is being carried out with a better brand of passing football at Kean's behest.

Just as an aside...... I wonder if Alan Nixon is treating his colleague at Mirror HQ with the contempt that he reserves for people on here whose opinions differ from what I believe is his scripted viewpoint?

[thenodrog]

Of course, if that article had been about Kean saying he'd do it his way you'd be on his case for that as well.

I wouldn't. I've said before after HT v Blackpool I felt the two captains have taken matters into their own hands.

Obvious to anyone who isn't commenting from an armchair 12000 miles away!

[deftangel]

Wow, so the manager meets with a group of senior players once every two or three weeks to address any issues in the squad and this is the latest stick to bash him with? Get a grip ffs. Far more important things to be concerned about.

[BPF]

The Steve Kean joke continues.

This would be comparable to me going into a tough classroom and selecting four popular Year 11 boys to run the class for me, how many other managers at this level have little consortiums set up?

Can someone please keep a list of the Kean Sympathisers and look out for their reactions if we get stuffed today. The 'last game only' viewpoint on here never ceases to amaze me.

That being said, of course today I need to put my personal feelings to one side and cross everything I have and hope for a win.

I can't shake the feeling that if the Rao brothers but themselves in charge of the team, some of you would give them six months.

[67splitscreen]

The only surprise for me is that they have now adopted a fixed time schedule.

Seems logical.

As long as everyone is happy with it, don't see what all the fuss is about.

Surely by having the meetings with the senior players it nips any potential problems from festering. Sounds like good management to me.

[thenodrog]

I'm sorry? Their wives have a say in what time they start training? What the dickens is this? If my husband was paid the kind of money these guys get he could start training at 5am. Can't believe that

Otherwise, this is a good initiative and the sort of thing I'd have taken as should be common practice.

Wrong Mum. Teams need a leader. A strong personality to lead from the front and instill confidence and togetherness. Rem NOTHING works well when run by a commitee.

btw just as an aside and without googling abround can you name anyone who was in the greatest leader of them all Winston Churchill's War Cabinet?

Different times. It's the same in most jobs now. When I was at school pupils would have had no say in appointing staff. Now every school has a pupils' panel who conduct interviews and say who they would appoint and theri views are heard. If you make people feel involved they are more likely to do their utmost to make things as good as they can.

Wishy washy load of rubbish gumboots. Whoever heard of Turkeys voting for Christmas? I can't imagine that the staff at Darwen Vale share your opinion.

Btw Mercerman, whilst I see your point, if you are comparing Kean with that list of managers, you are bound to be very disappointed.

Careful or people are going to start thinking you are Vinjay in disguise.

Surely Vinjays full weight will have been thrown behind the Venkey cause..... or has the daft bgugger finally learnt his lesson?

[Gav]

Wow, so the manager meets with a group of senior players once every two or three weeks to address any issues in the squad and this is the latest stick to bash him with? Get a grip ffs. Far more important things to be concerned about.

The idiots seem to come up with something new on a daily basis to beat the manager with

You'd think on the biggest day of the season so far they'd give it a what does that mean? rest