[Archived] Steve Kean

[ada2020]

Agreed about Souness but don't forget the success we enjoyed under him. I'm sure because of past glories JW gave Souness more time. Under Kean we have no such past glory apart from a good win against Liverpool to remember.

I don't believe that JW was forced by the Walker Trust to sack Ince. Jesus Christ would have sacked Paul Ince.

But, I'd say any chairman in the football league (not just PL) would struggle to find a good reason for keeping him on with his record.

Rumour has it that he was forced, though its just rumour I suppose.

Souness, was a great manager for us and probably did do enough to earn more time, though thankfully JW didnt stand in his way

[LeChuck]

Please Steve, go.

When was the last time we had a winless streak like this? We don't even look like winning a game, the best we can hope for is a courageous draw.

[RevidgeBlue]

When was the last time we had a winless streak like this?

Last season under Allardyce up to Man City away.

[LeChuck]

Last season under Allardyce up to Man City away.

Fair enough.

I'd take a tenth place finish now. Reckon Kean can deliver that?

[RevidgeBlue]

Fair enough.

I'd take a tenth place finish now. Reckon Kean can deliver that?

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

[LeChuck]

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

Really? All these home games that we haven't won - you don't think Sam would have won some of those based on a concrete record? He had a brilliant home record, you can't deny that.

We're a joke because of one man. Even if we stay up, who will come here and be managed by him? I'll concede here's here until the end of the season, but he is nowhere near competent enough to have the job. It's obvious to almost everyone.

[BangkokRover]

Really? All these home games that we haven't won - you don't think Sam would have won some of those based on a concrete record? He had a brilliant home record, you can't deny that.

We're a joke because of one man. Even if we stay up, who will come here and be managed by him? I'll concede here's here until the end of the season, but he is nowhere near competent enough to have the job. It's obvious to almost everyone.

Everyone apart from the owners who maybe are waiting for someone to finish their contrat this season? Trying to put a positive spin on another poor weekend.

[tony gale's mic]

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

That's an opinion which isn't really based on any kind of logic.

Sam has consistently throughout his career achieved mid table or higher with his teams. Apart from a season where he managed a newly promoted Bolton side, and one where he took over from Ince, he's never even been involved in a relegation battle.

Under Sam Rovers never lost at home to a bottom half side in two years, winning the vast majority of those games. With essentially the same squad. Under Kean Rovers took 3 points from Blackpool, Stoke, Birmingham and West Ham, all bottom half sides when we played them. Two years worth of home games is enough of a sample to say under Sam we would likely have got 10 points from those home games. 7 extra points would have us 9th, two points behind Everton in 7th.

That doesn't even take into account other factors...like whether Sam would have squandered £3.5 mill on someone who didn't even play minute. Or that our away performances had arguably picked up this season (for every Man U and Stoke, there was a Newcastle and Man City) and we probably wouldve kept things much tighter vs Villa and Fulham and would have stood a better chance of picking up something.

The last paragraph is based on speculation I'll give you that. But expecting Sam would have maintained two years worth of fine home form over four games isn't, and on that we can say we may well have even bettered last season.

[JMillZz]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_6860621,00.html

Anyone else feel that Salgado's comments here are basically saying "shut up Kean talking about future signings and focus on keeping us up" since Kean confirmed interest in Ruud.

Don't know whether it is just me who got this feeling from the article, but perhaps it appears the players are growing fed up with the big money/big name links.

[Roost]

Chipping away?

The only thing you are chipping away at is the hope that Rovers can survive your managerial calamities and stay in the Premiership.

Unbelievable.

[Kelbo]

I dont think its about Sam now, we all know we would be safe from relegation, its about an inept and deluded manager who is now harping on about our record at Ewood of the last 40 games or so, maybe Kean would like to tell us the home record during his tenure?

We now have a tough run of games coming up, we could go to Wolves on the last day of the season and they could already be relegated, no pressure on them and they could bury us!!

No mention from Kean as to where Givet was or Kalinic, it was crying out for both those players as our front men dont look as if they have a goal in us at the moment, where too was Formica, the new Batistuta, it seems to me and even more with Salgados comments, all is not as rosy as people are making out with the players at Ewood, yesterday, the team should have had real fire in their bellies if the team had have been set up right and gone for the jugular, instead we saw a poor Birmingham side control the first 45 or 50 minutes!

As for our deluded owners, thank you for this horrible situation, totally avoidable and would remind them which comes first, the Chicken and then the egg, unfortunately they got the egg first and its all over their faces!!!

[Athlete]

No mention from Kean as to where Givet was or Kalinic, it was crying out for both those players as our front men dont look as if they have a goal in us at the moment, where too was Formica, the new Batistuta, it seems to me and even more with Salgados comments, all is not as rosy as people are making out with the players at Ewood, yesterday, the team should have had real fire in their bellies if the team had have been set up right and gone for the jugular, instead we saw a poor Birmingham side control the first 45 or 50 minutes!

As for our deluded owners, thank you for this horrible situation, totally avoidable and would remind them which comes first, the Chicken and then the egg, unfortunately they got the egg first and its all over their faces!!!

heard both Givet and Kalinic stormed out the club when the team sheet was finallised ..can you blame them ???

Steve Keans record is awful anywhere else he'd have been long gone....as for survival we may just do it by getting draws cause can anyone seriously see us beating anyone in the 1st half we were 2nd best against a very poor brum side

[jim mk2]

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

Possibly not but a very ordinary and spluttering Everton side now have their eyes on Europe and I think Sam by targetting the winnable games in his usual manner would have had us up there too.

[Doogs]

No mention from Kean as to where Givet was or Kalinic, it was crying out for both those players as our front men dont look as if they have a goal in us at the moment, where too was Formica,

I am told that both players got in there cars and went home. Neither stayed to watch the match.

[Mattyblue]

With just two mire home wins we would be well on course to better last season.

Can we be CERTAIN that Sam would have got those two wins? Of course not, however looking at his home record against bottom half clubs over two years you can make an educated guess.

Total waste of a season at best, utter disaster at worst.

Fuming

[John]

Kean looks and sounds increasingly desperate.

His results record is truly horrific, we will be incredibly lucky to stay up.

Of course Sam would have got more wins/results, he has done it consistently throughout his career.

[47er]

I truly believe we are going down. I will be astounded if we get out of it. 3 home games left from which we could easily get no points playing as we are.

[thenodrog]

You really are a miserable old dinosaur...

He may be a dinosaur but he is right on the issue of different genders learn and interact differently. And its not a matter of men "growing up".

Indeed Steve. It seems like gumboots isn't the only one on here who sits down to wee.

[chaddyrovers]

No mention from Kean as to where Givet was or Kalinic, it was crying out for both those players as our front men dont look as if they have a goal in us at the moment, where too was Formica, the new Batistuta, it seems to me and even more with Salgados comments, all is not as rosy as people are making out with the players at Ewood, yesterday, the team should have had real fire in their bellies if the team had have been set up right and gone for the jugular, instead we saw a poor Birmingham side control the first 45 or 50 minutes!

As for our deluded owners, thank you for this horrible situation, totally avoidable and would remind them which comes first, the Chicken and then the egg, unfortunately they got the egg first and its all over their faces!!!

heard both Givet and Kalinic stormed out the club when the team sheet was finallised ..can you blame them ???

Steve Keans record is awful anywhere else he'd have been long gone....as for survival we may just do it by getting draws cause can anyone seriously see us beating anyone in the 1st half we were 2nd best against a very poor brum side

We all know that Kean is useless as manager. I couldn't believe that Kalinic and Givet was not even on the bench. And I do not blame them for storming out of the club. Kean is wrecking our club along with his coaching pal from SEM.

Our owners are also to blame for sacking a Proven PL manager mid way through a season and not having a plan who to replace him with. so their special friend advise them to appoint Kean. Draws against Blackpool, Brimangham City, WHU and Newcastle United is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

Under SA I firmly believe that under him, we would have been safe easily by now, and I believe we would have been in the top 10 pushing for europe place with espically with the way the league is this season. I do accept that sometimes his football is not good but football is a results based industry. just asked arsenal fans who wants to win trophies and would accept less pretty football to achieve this.

I am just hoping that the owners have realise that Kean and Jensen are not up to the job. And go and appoint a experience manager. Here is a shortlist of managers who should be on that shortlist imo is:-

Claudio Ranieri, David Moyes, Martin Jol, Steve McClaren, Alan Curbishley, Ruud Gullit, Chris Hughton, Stuart Pearce, Glenn Hoddle, MON, Sven Eriksson, Rafa Benitez and Slaven Bilic.

I would be happy with any of these manager in charge and they need to be in full control of transfers and team selections. Plus be allow to do the job their way aswell.

[thenodrog]

We need a massive overhaul without doubt next season - and that's just to stay in the Championship and avoid sinking even farther.

Can you see us having the finances to fund that? A lot of the parachute payments will be spent paying up the players whose loyalty the club 'bought' in January and the rest will vapourise into thin air (over Pune I'd imagine).

The greatest irony here is not that we shunted a very capable Prem manager out of the door but that the same bloke would also be the best bet to manage us in the Championship.

[thenodrog]

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

Don't you Simon? History will reveal that when he was sacked we had 21 points from 17 matches. No one can say for certain what we'd have finished with but.....

1. Extrapolated forward that equates to 47/48 point total.

2. For the past two years we performed better in the second half of the season than the first half.

No matter what spin people want to apply the fact remains that the 'Lune from Pune' has ###### up big style.

[Hughesy]

With essentially the same squad. Under Kean Rovers took 3 points from Blackpool, Stoke, Birmingham and West Ham, all bottom half sides when we played them.

Not the best example - last year we drew with Stoke, and drew with West Ham and never faced Blackpool.

The only difference was 3 against Birmingham rather than 1.

[roversmum]

With just two mire home wins we would be well on course to better last season.

Can we be CERTAIN that Sam would have got those two wins? Of course not, however looking at his home record against bottom half clubs over two years you can make an educated guess.

Total waste of a season at best, utter disaster at worst.

Fuming

Well the points tally would be better - if it hadn't been for dire and rather (in my humble opinion) suspect refereeing.

[Sandiway Blue]

Well the points tally would be better - if it hadn't been for dire and rather (in my humble opinion) suspect refereeing.

A point that seems to be lost on a lot of posters on here....

[tony gale's mic]

Not the best example - last year we drew with Stoke, and drew with West Ham and never faced Blackpool.

The only difference was 3 against Birmingham rather than 1.

Still a good example. Stoke, West Ham, Birmingham, Blackpool (you can replace them with any of last years' newly promoted sides) are all essentially bottom half teams.

Just taking the results against those teams means your sample size is tiny. But if you take his record against bottom half teams as a whole your sample size becomes much bigger. For example we beat Stoke 3-0 the season before under Sam, so that gets counted. As do our results against Wolves which are very comparable.