[Archived] Steve Kean

[Gav]

I don't want to play the 'boring old tw@t' card here, but I have seen Rovers good bad and indifferent for over 30 years now.

What you have now is a problem, but there have been far worse times - far less hope.

I also don't get the 'sack the manager' stuff because if you look throughout the Premier League there are teams in the bottom half who are having a struggle - and only probably Houllier is under genuine pressure. In private if not in public.

Wigan find it hard to win, but support their manager. Wolves have just lost their best striker, but still stand by their boss. West Ham should be doing better, but have opted to stand by their man - for now]. Blackpool are in a nosedive, but no-one questions Holloway [yet]. Birmingham are toiling, but Big Eck is liked. Sunderland are in the worst form of all, but Bruce does not get stick. Stoke are far from out of this and Pulis is rightly admired.

What makes Rovers THAT different? You have a new manager, trying to dodge the blows and keep it positive. His players are with him. His owners are with him. He needs a goalscorer, he hasn't got one. So it is going to get sweaty between now and the end.

Anyway, I was having a right good day and weekend up until this point. So I will leave it at that.

It really is embarrassing at times on here Nicko, we have a novice manager that’s been in charge for a few months and a good section of the people on here are after his blood.

As has been mentioned numerous times, the feeling on here is just a handful in the grand scheme of things, most don’t even go to games and some are imposters, but have you ever known a more spineless defeatist set of individuals in your footballing life?

Welcome to the modern day football supporter,

[jim mk2]

It really is embarrassing at times on here Nicko, we have a novice manager that's been in charge for a few months and a good section of the people on here are after his blood.

Quite right too, because at present he's getting my club relegated.

You wanted Sam sacked and still think it was a good idea - now that is embarrassing for you personally.

[BRFC1995]

kean = 3 wins 5 draws 8 defeats -9 GD

kean 16 games 14 points SICK JOKE

ince 17 games 13 points SACKED

sam 16 games 21 points SACKED

why on earth is is this gormless idiot unsackable. We'll get nowt from the remaining 6 games with this fella and everyone bar him and some indians know it.

Fed up of the crap that he does good press conferences as well, just spouts drivel, can't think of a prem manager that comes across more deluded in press conferences.

[booth]

I also don't get the 'sack the manager' stuff because if you look throughout the Premier League there are teams in the bottom half who are having a struggle - and only probably Houllier is under genuine pressure. In private if not in public.

Wigan find it hard to win, but support their manager. Wolves have just lost their best striker, but still stand by their boss. West Ham should be doing better, but have opted to stand by their man - for now]. Blackpool are in a nosedive, but no-one questions Holloway [yet]. Birmingham are toiling, but Big Eck is liked. Sunderland are in the worst form of all, but Bruce does not get stick. Stoke are far from out of this and Pulis is rightly admired.

You don't get the 'sack the manager' stuff in the same way as some of us don't get why there's this continuing optimism for Steve Kean.

Houllier - track record at other clubs to fall back on.

Martinez - will be interesting to see how he's dealt with when relegated.

McCarthy - track record at Wolves to fall back on.

Grant - track record at Chelsea to fall back on.

Holloway - he's taken them up two divisions, that counts for a lot. However, Blackpool fans have been given him a lot of stick for some performances.

McCleish - I believe he is getting some stick. I suppose it depends where you look and who you speak to.

Bruce - give it time.

Just on a personal note, there's some terrible managers amongst that lot who are better suited to the Championship.

If you want to level some kind of confusion about a manager getting stick, look to Arsenal or Chelsea. Both of their sets of fans are giving Wenger and Ancelotti a lot of grief. I read an amazing thread by an Arsenal fan in which many "gooners" in their responses were calling for Wengers head. Even suggesting some crazy (and completely lightweight) names for him to be replaced with. Now that is insane, not a group of fans who can see their club torn apart from the top down with a manager who is totally out of his depth. God loves a tryer, but in football that counts for nothing.

What makes Rovers THAT different? You have a new manager, trying to dodge the blows and keep it positive. His players are with him. His owners are with him. He needs a goalscorer, he hasn't got one. So it is going to get sweaty between now and the end.

Players are with him, debatable.

Owners are with him, they are completely mad.

He needs a goalscorer, he didn't buy one.

Don't let it spoil your day, this is our mess

As has been mentioned numerous times, the feeling on here is just a handful in the grand scheme of things, most don’t even go to games and some are imposters, but have you ever known a more spineless defeatist set of individuals in your footballing life?

And if you really believe that, I simply can't believe you go to games - or you have hearing difficulties. Yesterday, you would have been hard pushed to find a fan who thought Kean was doing a good job. You could clearly hear the conversations going from the ground, all the way down Bolton Road.

[Mattyblue]

Rubbish GAV, EVERYBODY around me was slagging off Kean, Venky's the lot yesterday- not sure that any come on here. They aren't 'modern football fans' but proper Supporters of long standing.

Did they carry on getting behind the side? Too right, not sure what planet you are residing on these days...

[Gav]

Rubbish GAV, EVERYBODY around me was slagging off Kean, Venky's the lot yesterday- not sure that any come on here. They aren't 'modern football fans' but proper Supporters of long standing.

Did they carry on getting behind the side? Too right, not sure what planet you are residing on these days...

Its interesting Matty that everyone around me wanted Allardyce sacked also, then you come on here and he's some sort of messiah.

As for Kean, he's not up to the job, but he should be supported not beaten with every stick possible.

Now is the time to back the club, the people booing and shouting for the managers head, serve to only deepen our current crisis.

[Stuart]

I don't think bringing in Givet for Olsson and pushing him into midfield would have made much of a difference yesterday.

You are wrong.

I have checked.

[Mattyblue]

Its interesting Matty that everyone around me wanted Allardyce sacked also, then you come on here and he's some sort of messiah.

As for Kean, he's not up to the job, but he should be supported not beaten with every stick possible.

Now is the time to back the club, the people booing and shouting for the managers head, serve to only deepen our current crisis.

Hope you and your clan how now worked out WHY Sam was so popular with so many fans who simply wanted the best for the club.

[sam_rovers]

steve kean is the biggest burnley fan

[booth]

Now is the time to back the club, the people booing and shouting for the managers head, serve to only deepen our current crisis.

But I thought the fans were great yesterday. Got behind the team, and didn't boo or shout for the managers head. The only boo's were reserved for the referee.

The disgruntlement came after the match in the form of people complaining and moaning as they were leaving. I was very surprised it wasn't a lot worse. Then it appears people have vented their frustrations on the internet. If anything Rovers fans seem to have far more respect than a lot of fans, who start a protest at the drop of a hat.

Look at Arsenal last week. We draw with them and their fans boo after the final whistle.

[roverwhelmed]

Its interesting Matty that everyone around me wanted Allardyce sacked also, then you come on here and he's some sort of messiah.

As for Kean, he's not up to the job, but he should be supported not beaten with every stick possible.

Now is the time to back the club, the people booing and shouting for the managers head, serve to only deepen our current crisis.

Did this happen yesterday? I could hear nothing apart from Brummies and the singing section - both rather loud!

I thought there were boos, but figured they were directed at the referee. I reckon it'd be better to sing the referee's a ....... though, just so the players don't get disheartened. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Gav - I don't think you can question whether our supporters are true supporters, it feels like we're being repeatedly kicked in the gonads and to suffer that without any feelings of dismay is rather a lot to ask. At the end of the day, many many people have invested - money, time, emotions - in our football club. As such, they deserve to complain without being berated for it. It is not embarrassing, it is completely natural and justified.

[chaddyrovers]

Rubbish GAV, EVERYBODY around me was slagging off Kean, Venky's the lot yesterday- not sure that any come on here. They aren't 'modern football fans' but proper Supporters of long standing.

Did they carry on getting behind the side? Too right, not sure what planet you are residing on these days...

I totally agree matty.

I go to at least 30 rovers games a season. I am going to the Everton game. the only game out of the next 6 games I'm missing is whu away.

Also Gav You wanted Sam sacked, so are you happy now with that?

I bet you wish we had Sam Allardyce in charge now don't you? under him we would have been safe now!

There's a saying in football ' be careful for what you wish for

I bet alot of Charlton fans who was moaning about Alan Curbishley team finishing tenth each season and the style of football wish they could go back to those times NOW! They are struck in league 1 for another season now.

[jim mk2]

Its interesting Matty that everyone around me wanted Allardyce sacked also, then you come on here and he's some sort of messiah.

As for Kean, he's not up to the job, but he should be supported not beaten with every stick possible.

Now is the time to back the club, the people booing and shouting for the managers head, serve to only deepen our current crisis.

You and your mates must be like those idiots who sit and the back of the class, don't listen to the teacher and then wonder why you failed the exam.

Kean should be beaten and run out of the club. He and his owner-masters are destroying it.

[trs]

Hope you and your clan how now worked out WHY Sam was so popular with so many fans who simply wanted the best for the club.

Has Sam not become more "popular" with so many fans since his departure?

[Gav]

We've been here before children

Go and enjoy the sun, it surely won't last

[booth]

Has Sam not become more "popular" with so many fans since his departure?

I would say he has. I know a few people who weren't happy with his brand of football, or in some cases the man himself, but freely admit they wish he was still managing BRFC.

We've been here before children

Go and enjoy the sun, it surely won't last

I hope you are reminded of posts like this should we get relegated. I doubt you would be so chipper, at least I hope not.

[sambo]

It really is embarrassing at times on here Nicko, we have a novice manager that’s been in charge for a few months and a good section of the people on here are after his blood.

As has been mentioned numerous times, the feeling on here is just a handful in the grand scheme of things, most don’t even go to games and some are imposters, but have you ever known a more spineless defeatist set of individuals in your footballing life?

Welcome to the modern day football supporter,

You wanted Sam sacked? That's pathetic and shows you don't care too much about Blackburn Rovers.

Kean has done pathetic, and people are saying so? Does that make them spineless, or just attentive?

If we go down, you'll have lost all credibility - would replacing Sam with Kean be a good idea then? Or do you care?

I don't get it, you used to post well on here, now you act like a wind up merchant. People want the best for the club. Going from mid table to a relegation dogfight, with no win in 9, is NOT the best for this club.

Nobody around me thinks Kean has done a good job. Nobody wanted Sam sacked. Where the bleeding hell do you sit?

[jim mk2]

Has Sam not become more "popular" with so many fans since his departure?

Always was popular with those of us who know our football.

[Mattyblue]

He sure has trs.

Countless people have come out with the usual 'Didn't like his football, but we never had to worry about relegation' Or 'I'd have him back tomorrow' Or 'he was great for a club like us'

Half of the clownsnow saying the above were booing 3-0 up against Wolves!

Gotta love the football fan...

[chaddyrovers]

Has Sam not become more "popular" with so many fans since his departure?

probably because now understand how much of a good job he did with this squad! A manager can only work with the resources he got. I think if he had took over when Hughes left then I think we would still be a top 1

Personally I was big fan of Sam Allardyce and with the right owner of rovers and investment. SA could have sign better players and address the issues of the quality of the playing squad. I think if he had took over when Hughes left then I think we would still be a top 10 club and we would not had Ince as manager who weaker the squad with his signings and players he let go. Ince's only good buy was Robinson! He would have kept Bentley who was crucial to the way we play under Hughes.

[gumboots]

probably because now understand how much of a good job he did with this squad! A manager can only work with the resources he got. I think if he had took over when Hughes left then I think we would still be a top 1

Personally I was big fan of Sam Allardyce and with the right owner of rovers and investment. SA could have sign better players and address the issues of the quality of the playing squad. I think if he had took over when Hughes left then I think we would still be a top 10 club and we would not had Ince as manager who weaker the squad with his signings and players he let go. Ince's only good buy was Robinson! He would have kept Bentley who was crucial to the way we play under Hughes.

How do you know. Bentley wanted to go and the owners didn't mind selling because it brought in cash that we needed. This rewriting of history is what I don't get with Allardyce. I never liked him, but accepted that he was what was needed at the time he was appointed and wouldn't have joined the Allardyce out brigade at any point unless it was a dead cert that we were getting a good manager able to work in difficult circumstances with regard to cash in to replace him. However, much of the football he served up had many fans cringeing and there were quite a lot saying they wouldn't renew season tickets if he stayed next year. REsults were vital and that's why we put up with him, becuase we couldn't do much better. However, wonderful he wasn't;arrogant and pig=headed, yes he was. that might have been what we needed to survive but there is more than one way of doing that, and if the right manager could have been brought in, we could have done well and been clear of relegation worries. The problem wasn't simply Allardyce leaving - it was the lack of a suitable replacement that was the problem. Exactly the same with Bentley when he went. We didn't replace him with as good or even at all.

[trs]

I would say he has. I know a few people who weren't happy with his brand of football, or in some cases the man himself, but freely admit they wish he was still managing BRFC.

If I'm totally honest I got to where I stopped looking forward to going to Ewood under Sam. I was bored to death watching the crap that was on show. However, I also knew he was getting results and enough of em to see us safe. How long that would have gone on for I don't know.

I think it was Nicko who mentioned the Cynical route should/could have been adopted by the venky mob in that, see us safe this season then get rid in the summer. I agree!

I am definitely one who wanted Sam out and that's from someone who wanted him in! I knew he would save us from relegation.

Cynical? Your damn right it is!

The problem was appointing Kean. None of us could understand it and still don't to this day. When Sam was sacked I was totally convinced the likes of Martin jol was about to join us in the coming days.

To sack him along with his knowledge and experience at that stage of a season and replace him with someone who has never been a manager beggared belief and still does.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Has Sam not become more "popular" with so many fans since his departure?

He has done, though I am not surprised. Check out the forum there were people on here slating him every week and wanted him out and now portray him as a saint and want him back.

The simple fact is the situation could have been oh so different had the club done the job properly and brought in a proper manager. If a new manager had come in and kept us midtable it would have been Sam who?

[Mattyblue]

Speak for yourself RVR, top manager form day one.

[jim mk2]

hat might have been what we needed to survive but there is more than one way of doing that, and if the right manager could have been brought in, we could have done well and been clear of relegation worries.

Can you suggest another way of suriving with the poor squad Sam had at his disposal ? Playing attractive football with this set of players in nigh-on impossible as Kean has rapidly found out so please enlighten me with your managerial and coaching wizardry because you're obviously in the wrong job.