[Archived] Steve Kean

[Mattyblue]

This new Wind up merchant GAV will now tell you to 'get a life', 'its only a game' yada yagda.

[Majiball]

For me now is not the time to be bigging up a kid, it raises expectations further and given our form and the such there is enough expectation or pressure if you like already.

And Kelbo's right in a relegation scrape it shouldn't be oldies and Youngsters it should be one word and one only team. We're in it together.

[ABBEY]

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[Parsonblue]

I do wish you'd think before you speak, he's talking up the young players coming though, but mainly Hoilett, nothing more nothing less, your messiah Allardyce did the same, but never played him.

You can mock Allardyce all you like Gav, but the simple truth is that he took this club to tenth last season with the same squad that Kean is now failing with. Ultimately, it was Sam who introduced Hoilett into the senior squad last season. It was Sam who brought Phil Jones into the team and introduced Hanley. It was Sam who pushed for the Reserves to be made up of younger players and got more Academy players spending time training with the seniors.

Sam had his faults, but he also did a huge amount of good for this club that some would like to forget. I suspect history will judge his contribution to the club more kindly than some on these boards would like.

[thenodrog]

Formica's no-show is a huge disappointment.

Has one of those Carlos Kickaball newbies been unable to get a work permit?

[chaddyrovers]

Some good young players will have had a game and hopefully grown up, some older players will have proved their worth again. Others will clearly go.

And there will be money for new players.

How much money tho? will Kean been the manager next season?

Also I thought we bought badly in January.

Rsc was a massive mistake. JJ just hasn't been the player I've seen him before. RR and MF just haven't played. I thought we should have sign players for now and not for the future in the January window.

will RR and MF come good and will they fit into the English game. time will see. we have not even seen him in a squad for a game so far. weren't some people on here saying that MF was too slow and wanted to much time on the ball. And not physical enough for the PL.

[imy9]

David Hoilett 2010/11

Start of the season:

8 appearances out of 17 game- 5 of which were subs, so started 3 out 17 games. 0 league goals.

Under Kean:

12 appearances out of 15 -2 subs so 10 starts out of 15. scoring 4 league goals.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I agree that the time for change would ideally have been at the end of a season. However the new owners took a quick look at it, didn't like what they saw,didn't fancy giving Sam any money to spend and binned him.

THE ultimate calamitous decision of clueless fools which will lead to the downfall of our great club.

[Majiball]

Sam may have given Hoillet appearances last season but it was always in the main 10 minutes here and there. I remember Hoillet coming on against Arsenal playing a blinder and then missing the next game. Under Kean he has gotten minutes full 90's, 60's 70's which he did need not 10 minutes cameo's, as it always takes time to get into the match.

Junior has really come to the fore recently and it's because he's playing and starting, kean has played a role. Now if if can sort out the remaining 9 outfield positions I'll be contented, for now.

[thenodrog]

Good question. Best way to answer it is by saying the owners were too honest and got rid fast. They could have been more cynical and let him carry on a bit longer. But the problem area was spending money in January. They did not like how he had spent it at Rovers previously.

By their own admission the SDM's know nowt about football and I doubt they even knew anything about BRFC prior to last Sept / Oct. Any judgement on Allardyce's signings would have been spoon fed by Wormtongue Anderson as well you must know.

You are fighting a rearguard battle on here after foolishly nailing your colours firmly to the Kean mast. You like the horses so in racing parlance you've backed the wrong horse in a two horse race. As they say when in a hole it's best to stop digging...... Buckyrover certainly has.

[Steve Moss]

Speak to anyone though - the overwhelming majority (media, non Rovers fans, players/managers in the game) thought sacking Sam, at that time of the season, was a bizarre decision.

What was actually more bizarre was appointing Steve Kean - who is Steve Kean I kept (and keep) getting asked and why did he get the manager's job? (probably the most annoying question to answer).

This is what did it for me. I can see sacking Sam. If one wants "entertainment" uber alles, then he is not your man. Though I suspect the fans that demand entertainment first and foremost are not the most mature or knowledgeable football people and are more akin to the Roman mob.

However, not replacing him with an experienced, proven manager, someone who has a track record that can be evaluated, was lunacy. This is the PL, not a third tier league where a newbie manager might expect a run out. No one should be managing in the PL unless they are amongst the world's 100 best. Kean wasn't even on the radar.

And that doesn't even consider the manner in which he allegedly obtained his promotion. If even half of it is true, its despicable.

The whole argument, be it from nicko or anyone else that Sam was sacked 'cos they didn't want him spending their cash' falls down with the full time appointment of Kean.

Absolutely. See above. Of course maybe that wasn't so much a concern as neither the chairman nor the manager was spending the cash?

Holden does look like a find a decent steady player.

I spent weeks begging the powers that be who monitor this board to look at Holden. He's a proper midfielder. He's no world beater, but he's fully deserving of being a USA international. He is a motivated, committed professional who values his craft.

Sam had his faults, but he also did a huge amount of good for this club that some would like to forget. I suspect history will judge his contribution to the club more kindly than some on these boards would like.

At present rate, football history will not be kind to Kean, Venkys or Kentaro/SEM.

[PAFELL]

No he's not and on Friday 'bigged up' Givet then didnt play him, if you cant see the guy as a joke and a con man, then I feel really

sorry for you as you are one of the very few people in the country who cant, I really cannot see how you can continually defend the man, I feel physically sick just seeing his photograph and along with the people in Pune, have brought total chaos and disgrace to our football club, fortunately we only have 6 matches at most to endure the clown.

PS. Look at my posts, tell me where I have called or referred to Allardyce as a messiah, I have only stated fact, if we are speaking of Kean and refer to fact, its two wins in 12!!

What makes you think Kean only has 6 games left - he has a two and a half year contract - (sadly)- does he not.

[Kelbo]

What makes you think Kean only has 6 games left - he has a two and a half year contract - (sadly)- does he not.

Sorry, I dont think anything!!

If we get relegated he will go and even Venkys wont let him mess up again next year if we stay up!

[thenodrog]

I don't think bringing in Givet for Olsson and pushing him into midfield would have made much of a difference yesterday.

Wouldn't it? Their bloody goal came from a right wing cross! Larssen who crossed the ball in was completely unmarked on the right. Olsson was marking Jerome and MGP was trailing in from centre midfield. I thinks it's a fair bet that Olsson on at Left mid would have stayed wide and tracked back with Larssen.

Admit it you have painted yourself into a corner.

[onlyonejackwalker]

We have had some pretty major "about-turns" from Kean in recent weeks.

1) He suggested his teams would have 2 out and out forwards on the pitch - he has reverted to just Santa recently. Fine to be flexible in your approach however this suggests he is not sure on what formation suits us best possibly.

2) Kean said the way we were going to play meant we would likely concede more goals and therefore would have to outscore the opposition - as we know clean sheets are back to top of the agenda again - I would like to know what he was basing his original thinking on as our strikers don't look like they could score in Wan Chai?

Even our strikers could score in Wan Chai, John. Lockhart Road and Hennessey Street would be prefect for big bucks PL players to get fleeced.

On the subject of Steve Kean. What subject is left to discuss? 14 points from 15 matches and the 45 available and 4 points from the last 8 matches and the 24 available sums it up perfectly.

[patrickvalery]

No he's not and on Friday 'bigged up' Givet then didnt play him, if you cant see the guy as a joke and a con man, then I feel really

sorry for you as you are one of the very few people in the country who cant, I really cannot see how you can continually defend the man, I feel physically sick just seeing his photograph and along with the people in Pune, have brought total chaos and disgrace to our football club, fortunately we only have 6 matches at most to endure the clown.

PS. Look at my posts, tell me where I have called or referred to Allardyce as a messiah, I have only stated fact, if we are speaking of Kean and refer to fact, its two wins in 12!!

To be fair to Kean this Givet business is probably extremely frustrating. He probably said those things about his before the match because he realises how much he needs him. If his head wasn't right for the game, then it put Kean in an awkward position. Did he risk playing him when he wasn't mentally prepared? Not a good move for me. In all probability, Givet's issue is most likely with the club and not Kean.

[Gav]

David Hoilett 2010/11

Start of the season:

8 appearances out of 17 game- 5 of which were subs, so started 3 out 17 games. 0 league goals.

Under Kean:

12 appearances out of 15 -2 subs so 10 starts out of 15. scoring 4 league goals.

Game set and match

[thenodrog]

On December 13th we were a whopping 2 points further away from the drop zone

2 points eh? How can even you come out with something so stupid? This post may well end up in messageboard gold come the end of the season! For all the wrong reasons.

[thenodrog]

It really is embarrassing at times on here Nicko, we have a novice manager that’s been in charge for a few months and a good section of the people on here are after his blood.

As has been mentioned numerous times, the feeling on here is just a handful in the grand scheme of things, most don’t even go to games and some are imposters, but have you ever known a more spineless defeatist set of individuals in your footballing life?

Welcome to the modern day football supporter,

Fair play to you Gav. You've helped put the ship on the iceberg but you obviously intend to go down with the ship. As for buckyrover..... he's already left in his rubber dinghy.

[PAFELL]

To be fair to Kean this Givet business is probably extremely frustrating. He probably said those things about his before the match because he realises how much he needs him. If his head wasn't right for the game, then it put Kean in an awkward position. Did he risk playing him when he wasn't mentally prepared? Not a good move for me. In all probability, Givet's issue is most likely with the club and not Kean.

Was it not reported recently that he believes the club owe him some dosh.

[thenodrog]

You wanted Sam sacked? That's pathetic and shows you don't care too much about Blackburn Rovers.

Allardyce had proved the Facebook numpties completely and totally wrong, and it still appears to rankle with most of them.

Lets be honest Sambo if BRFC were interviewing for the next manager would you like to see Gav on the interview panel? From what I rem he's been completely wrong with the last 3 on the spin.

[patrickvalery]

Was it not reported recently that he believes the club owe him some dosh.

Yeah. Thats what i was getting at Paffel. Kean trying to give him a bit of love was probably just to try and get him into a mental state where he wanted to help the side on the pitch and put his issues with the club to one side. It looks like it didn't work. But i don't think its fair to criticise Kean for that. He should be praised for looking to address the situation. Just my opinion mind. Kean has done things wrong for sure, but there is clearly lots of issues behind the scene with Givet.

[ABBEY]

Fair play to you Gav. You've helped put the ship on the iceberg but you obviously intend to go down with the ship. As for buckyrover..... he's already left in his rubber dinghy.

Gord do you honesty believe the chicken dippers actually read this board and sacked mr walrus because of what was written here? and when you say you get what you wish for then i should soon be snorting coke in rolled up fifties off pammy andersons norks from my lotto win and letting rebecca off neighbours spank me.

[thenodrog]

He sure has trs.

Countless people have come out with the usual 'Didn't like his football, but we never had to worry about relegation' Or 'I'd have him back tomorrow' Or 'he was great for a club like us'

Half of the clownsnow saying the above were booing 3-0 up against Wolves!

Gotta love the football fan...

I'd tend to agree with that to a point.

btw See Jim's post above.

[92er]

we just need to play our strongest 11 in a formation and fashion that suits them best, something I feel we haven't been doing since Hughes. We've always since then had guys in charge that want to play a set way, for me that's just not good management.

Could you arrange for this to be sent to Kean as it really is spot on.