[Archived] Steve Kean

[ABBEY]

Is your caps lock button broken, you do appear to get hysterical at times, as your other equally ridiculous post above clarifies.

YOU RECKON GAVS A DINGLE AND I WAGER HE ISNT ...CAPS LOCK ? OH THAT OLD CHESTNUT,THAT WAS DISCUSSED 10 YEARS BEFORE YOU JOINED THE BOARD.

Normally I would agree with you - and if I had to put money on it would say that if Sam was still in charge it is likely we would be safe or nearly safe by now.

However - this isn't a normal season - would you expect

WHU to beat Man United 4-0 in the cup ?

Stoke - actually struggle to find anything unusual with Stoke's results this season

Newcastle - beat AV 6-0 ?

WBA beat Arsenal ?

Blackpool do the double over Liverpool ?

Big Club beat Arsenal in a Cup Final ?

So who is to say we would have a better record or not. It is too late to ponder these things - we are where we are - now is the time to get behind Kean and the team.

ARSE 4 UP AT TOON AT HALF TIME AND DRAWING 4-4

[Jimmy612]

Normally I would agree with you - and if I had to put money on it would say that if Sam was still in charge it is likely we would be safe or nearly safe by now.

However - this isn't a normal season - would you expect

WHU to beat Man United 4-0 in the cup ?

Stoke - actually struggle to find anything unusual with Stoke's results this season

Newcastle - beat AV 6-0 ?

WBA beat Arsenal ?

Blackpool do the double over Liverpool ?

Big Club beat Arsenal in a Cup Final ?

So who is to say we would have a better record or not. It is too late to ponder these things - we are where we are - now is the time to get behind Kean and the team.

Our very decent home form, had continued this season, particularly against the teams that we needed to beat i.e Wolves, Wigan, AV (any others?) I am struggling to see how this would suddenly have changed under SA?

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

ARSE 4 UP AT TOON AT HALF TIME AND DRAWING 4-4

I did ponder using that as an example - but to be honest there were so many unusual results to choose from I was spoilt for choice - this must go down as the most unpredictable premiership season for many years. Of course the top 4 or 5 are placed roughly as expected - but they have all suffered results that were unexpected at some point this season.

Our results (with possible exception of the draw at Arsenal) have been roughly in line or below expectation. It is the going-ons in the background that have added to our unpredictable season.

One thing for certain - this season ain't been boring - hopefully we will stay up and it will be memorable but not totally depressing.

[Jimmy612]

YOU RECKON GAVS A DINGLE AND I WAGER HE ISNT ...CAPS LOCK ? OH THAT OLD CHESTNUT,THAT WAS DISCUSSED 10 YEARS BEFORE YOU JOINED THE BOARD.

Well in that case I am going to back down from your ridiculous bet, and assume that Gav is a Blackburn fan who knows nothing about football! It was bound to be one or the other

[beerwins]

Is your caps lock button broken, you do appear to get hysterical at times, as your other equally ridiculous post above clarifies.

I would say the amount of time people have put in to this messageboard trying to compare Sam to Kean is equally ridiculous, it's not like Kean would have even got one vote to be the next Rovers manager if 20,000 fans had been asked.

Some people just try to make the best out of a bad situation while others spread doom and gloom, things could have been so different if the owners had waited till summer and replaced the manager with someone with experience and given enough transfer funds to replace the players the have been long overdue a Rovers exit.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Our very decent home form, had continued this season, particularly against the teams that we needed to beat i.e Wolves, Wigan, AV (any others?) I am struggling to see how this would suddenly have changed under SA?

If my memory is correct - we struggled against all those teams. The 3-0 result against Wolves was particularly unwarranted. Yes we got results - but would that have continued with the injury to Jones (who had been our star man ?) - we will never know.

[Jimmy612]

I would say the amount of time people have put in to this messageboard trying to compare Sam to Kean is equally ridiculous, it's not like Kean would have even got one vote to be the next Rovers manager if 20,000 fans had been asked.

Some people just try to make the best out of a bad situation while others spread doom and gloom, things could have been so different if the owners had waited till summer and replaced the manager with someone with experience and given enough transfer funds to replace the players the have been long overdue a Rovers exit.

I struggle to see how comparing SA's record to Kean's is ridiculous when you consider that we sacked SA and appointed Kean?

Cruz pointed out rather foolishly that we were two points further away from the relegation than we are under Kean, implying that we are not really in much more trouble than we were in mid-december.

I went on to give my opinion that i believe Sams track record as manager speaks for itself and that against teams in and around us (or below us) we rarely lost, and usually won at EP. If we compare that to Keans tenure against the teams I mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't make good reading.

So you carry on making the best out of this bad situation, and I will continue to be realistic about this mess that BRFC are in.

[Gav]

Congratulations Gav! You've sat on here for the last 4 months since our club has nosedived talking like a thick #### but eventually you have proved every one of us right.

Our team is emboriled in a relegation scrap because we sacked a manager and appointed a puppet, but who cares, as long as you can sit masjestically on your high horse following the revelation that Hoillet didn't play a vast amount under Allardyce.

Lets not consider the fact that Allardcye brought him back from his loan spell (at which point he wanted to leave), talked him into staying and then progressed him into first team action.

We shall all forget the unbelievably stupid things that you have been saying since you joined this messageboard. Didn't you believe Ince deserved more time? Wasn't it you that came on here after every BRFC game under Allardyce, bemoaning the fact that we had won a game because we hadn't passed the ball on the floor?

And yet you have the audacity to sit there and type 'game, set and match' like this is some huge result for you and your other know-nothing mates (I admit it must be a long time since you have felt like you are right about anything concerning BRFC).

Perhaps we should all come on here if Blackburn get relegated and write 'game, set and match.' I won't be doing that because I would love to be proven wrong by Steve Kean.. I hope he is the next Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson.

You know nothing about football whatsoever, and if you believe a very good PL manager deserved to be sacked because he played unattractive football then you are completely deluded.

You say Mercerman is a dingle.. I'm starting to think you are if you can be in such jovial moods regarding Blackburns continued plummet towards relegation

Someone check the ip address, his punctuation and vocabulary show striking similarities to another poster who will for now remain nameless.

[beerwins]

We did'nt employ Kean, the owners did and comparing the two is just argument baiting on a messageboard as not one fan would have employed Kean yet plenty disliked Sam.

I for one would have liked to see what Sam could have achieved if he had got players like Crouch and Nzogbia but cest la vie it wasnt to be so time to move on, I dont see the big deal in comparing stats, every single game is a different kettle of fish, would Kean have got a result against West brom now? probably not, would Sam have got a result against Liverpool or a draw at the Emirates? Who knows but it's pointless to keep going on about it.

[FourLaneBlue]

No.

However last season is last season and I don't think Sam would have achieved that this time round with this squad either.

Is that an educated guess? Or an uneducated guess?

It was madness sacking Sam at that time, madness. If we go down then it is all due to that one action.

Anyone who believes otherwise - in any way, shape or form - is a fool.

[LeChuck]

Is that an educated guess? Or an uneducated guess?

It was madness sacking Sam at that time, madness. If we go down then it is all due to that one action.

Anyone who believes otherwise - in any way, shape or form - is a fool.

Completely agree with that.

When Sam left we had 21 points from 17 games. Stretch that out to this point of the season and we'd have 40 points (9th place). Over the full season it's 47 points. He got us to tenth the season prior so it's very reasonable to assume those predictions would be accurate.

There isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest we would have been relegation candidates under his leadership, but plenty to suggest that we would be comfortably mid-table.

[Majiball]

SHE WONT HAVE YOU!! DEAL WITH IT

frack it. I'm coiled up like a spring and I'm ready to burst and ###### ain't doing it anymore. I need violence to make me feel I'm still alive. I know what I'd rather do, mate. Everton away. Love it!

[47er]

He sure has trs.

Countless people have come out with the usual 'Didn't like his football, but we never had to worry about relegation' Or 'I'd have him back tomorrow' Or 'he was great for a club like us'

Half of the clownsnow saying the above were booing 3-0 up against Wolves!

Gotta love the football fan...

Bang on-----again! I remember Gav and a few others celebrating on here the day Sam was sacked. But Revisionism has set in since then. Now they all claim they didn't like Sam but disagreed with the timing!

[47er]

Even our strikers could score in Wan Chai, John. Lockhart Road and Hennessey Street would be prefect for big bucks PL players to get fleeced.

On the subject of Steve Kean. What subject is left to discuss? 14 points from 15 matches and the 45 available and 4 points from the last 8 matches and the 24 available sums it up perfectly.

Game Set and Match!

[Jimmy612]

Someone check the ip address, his punctuation and vocabulary show striking similarities to another poster who will for now remain nameless.

Why should this other poster remain nameless? I would love to know who I am being compared to? Its not Bucky Rover, Topman, Cruz or Imy9 is it?

[tony gale's mic]

Someone check the ip address, his punctuation and vocabulary show striking similarities to another poster who will for now remain nameless.

Do you really find it so hard to believe that multiple people can think that of you?

[beerwins]

Bang on-----again! I remember Gav and a few others celebrating on here the day Sam was sacked. But Revisionism has set in since then. Now they all claim they didn't like Sam but disagreed with the timing!

Yeh well I also remember at the time plenty of Sam haters coming on here at the time saying they were happy he had gone but the timing was wrong, I think it was Dan lad and a poster named mark who didnt care for Sam much that said the same thing, so that argument does'nt really wash either.

Too many people on here still want to score points and are too concerned with the past, if you want to bury people pls provide posts that will prove your point, and then point out the where they knew sam was going to be replaced with a complete amatuer with some dubious ideas on how to improve the team in the window.

Barely any of you guys would be bleating had he been replaced by a proper manager who spent money wisely in the window.

We are truly in the mix to be relegated and silly me would have thought the time to be behind the team was now, not bickering about what happened 4 months ago, just hold the argument till summer at least.

[47er]

Yeh well I also remember at the time plenty of Sam haters coming on here at the time saying they were happy he had gone but the timing was wrong,

That came later from memory. Certainly no such caveat in Gav's first reaction. I'll just keep posting my opinions if that's alright.

[old darwen blue]

Congratulations Gav! You've sat on here for the last 4 months since our club has nosedived talking like a thick #### but eventually you have proved every one of us right.

Our team is emboriled in a relegation scrap because we sacked a manager and appointed a puppet, but who cares, as long as you can sit masjestically on your high horse following the revelation that Hoillet didn't play a vast amount under Allardyce.

Lets not consider the fact that Allardcye brought him back from his loan spell (at which point he wanted to leave), talked him into staying and then progressed him into first team action.

We shall all forget the unbelievably stupid things that you have been saying since you joined this messageboard. Didn't you believe Ince deserved more time? Wasn't it you that came on here after every BRFC game under Allardyce, bemoaning the fact that we had won a game because we hadn't passed the ball on the floor?

And yet you have the audacity to sit there and type 'game, set and match' like this is some huge result for you and your other know-nothing mates (I admit it must be a long time since you have felt like you are right about anything concerning BRFC).

Perhaps we should all come on here if Blackburn get relegated and write 'game, set and match.' I won't be doing that because I would love to be proven wrong by Steve Kean.. I hope he is the next Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson.

You know nothing about football whatsoever, and if you believe a very good PL manager deserved to be sacked because he played unattractive football then you are completely deluded.

You say Mercerman is a dingle.. I'm starting to think you are if you can be in such jovial moods regarding Blackburns continued plummet towards relegation

Dont talk stupid old chap

[Steve Moss]

You say Mercerman is a dingle.. I'm starting to think you are if you can be in such jovial moods regarding Blackburns continued plummet towards relegation

It has struck me as curious that Mercerman can be labeled a 'dingle' for protesting our plight, and those who seem positively ecstatic about Kean, despite his poor results, are supposedly Blue and White through and through. It must be something to do with local traditions I'm not up on.

Regardless, Mercerman is a Rover and so is GAV. It's like a large extended family. You'll always find a black sheep or three in there somewhere.

[Stuart]

Like SA had nothing to do with his development anyway:!:

Even if arguing Kean has done amazingly well with this player and brought him on leaps and bounds, what on earth has he done with all the other players in the squad!

That's the rub, for me. He might have made Junior stand out but has he improved that much or has the team around him just become generally worse.

Blooding Junior at this time could be seen, given the results, as a minor success within a major failure.

[PAFELL]

Bang on-----again! I remember Gav and a few others celebrating on here the day Sam was sacked. But Revisionism has set in since then. Now they all claim they didn't like Sam but disagreed with the timing!

Throughout last season there were many on here who wanted Sam to be sacked. One week Sam was a hero when Rovers won. Then on another week, when Rovers lost, people were saying he should go. That is the reality. Peoples opinions changed, often on a weekly basis. I believe the label, fickle supporters was given to them at the time.

The trustees who stopped funding the club, the new owners who bought a new business they know nothing about, therefore they have been listenning to bad advice, is the cause of the plight of the club today.

Kean who was a coach at the club, got offered a job of a life time, which he said yes too. If any of us were in his position at that time, we would also have taken it.

[Mattyblue]

Barely any of you guys would be bleating had he been replaced by a proper manager who spent money wisely in the window.

Really?

Stability is VITAL for clubs like ours, sacking a manager doing a good job is reckless and unnecessary mid season, simple as that.

[gumboots]

Really?

Stability is VITAL for clubs like ours, sacking a manager doing a good job is reckless and unnecessary mid season, simple as that.

But if we'd brought in a good manager who had bought wisely then presumably that would have still been stability. Look at WBA. They brought in Hodgson who had done a good job at Fulham with similar resources in a similar type of club and look where they are now, and to be honest their situation was far worse than ours was when we changed manager. It's not the getting rid of Allardyce that is the crime here. It's the getting rid without a moment's hesitation and not having the foggiest who you were going to bring in to do the job instead. I've said that from day one. Everyone at school knew I didn't like Allardyce and asked if I was dancing in the street when his sacking was announced, I wasn't - I was, like many, hopeful that we would find someone else who could do a good job here, because i didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think you could run a club without a manager for any length of time. However, our owners would appear to be that stupid.

[Mattyblue]

Sacking Allardyce WAS a crime. He was a doing a good job, it was the middle of the season and there were no grounds for his dismissal at all.

'Well if we'd have brought in someone else instead of a novice, then noone would be complaining', and who says that manager would be any cop either? Why take the risk? We all know we have an average squad, so why the hell rock the boat?

Unbelievable, that people are STILL defending the sacking in itself.