[Archived] Steve Kean

[PAFELL]

Sacking Allardyce WAS a crime. He was a doing a good job, it was the middle of the season and there were no grounds for his dismissal at all.

'Well if we'd have brought in someone else instead of a novice, then noone would be complaining', and who says that manager would be any cop either? Why take the risk? We all know we have an average squad, so why the hell rock the boat?

Unbelievable, that people are STILL defending the sacking in itself.

As I mentioned in another post. Often, depending on the result of the match, people called for Sam to go. Right or wrong of it is a minor point now, as it has happened. You only have to look back at various posts when Rovers went on a bad run with Sam as the manager, that some wanted him to go. Opinions differ, but we are all entitled to them.

[Mattyblue]

People can say whatever they like on this message board, if people wanted to vent their spleen after a bad defeat away from home, or that 'orrible hoofball, good for them, however the football club should be above all that and not make decisions on a game by game basis.

The OWNERS made a terrible, terrible decision and that can't be denied.

[thenodrog]

Amazing how many people have had to eat their words about Hoilett.

C'mon Topman. A blind man on a galloping horse could see that Hoilett possesses an amazing talent. He's the best at running with the ball at defenders since Duff imo. However last season he blew hot and cold and his decision making was poor. He shot when he should have passed, he chose unwise passes and he occasionally was caught ballwatching and not tracking back. His talent is undeniable but as with most young players (and especially after playing lower league German football) he actually needed to learn how to apply himself and ply his trade in the Prem.

btw could you pass it onto Alan Nixon? He continually uses Hoilett as a stick to beat Allardyce with and of late he appears to have me on ignore.

[Gav]

Bang on-----again! I remember Gav and a few others celebrating on here the day Sam was sacked. But Revisionism has set in since then. Now they all claim they didn't like Sam but disagreed with the timing!

I make no apologies for being ecstatic when Allardyce was chopped, my reasons have been well documented. The mistake was replacing him with Kean, although I was willing to give the guy a chance, plenty on here never did that, it seems he’s out of his depth.

In hindsight it would have been better to wait until the summer, fresh start and all that, but the owners decided against that and I wasn’t against that decision.

So before people attempt to rewrite history:

1) I was over the moon when we sacked Allardyce, no doubt about that.

2) I didn’t expect them to replace him with Kean, I thought they had a name lined up.

3) I now believe they should have waited until the summer, I didn’t believe that to be the case when they sacked Allardyce.

Hope that clears things up.

[thenodrog]

Let's ignore the £6m ###### away on Kalinic, though.

Indeed and why not Topman? .... cos you are obviously ignoring the millions of £'s thats been flushed down the pan to bank accounts in Argentina, Spain and Paraguay and I'd hazard a guess.... Switzerland.

[broadsword]

I still don't understand exactly what went on in the aftermath of Allardyce's sacking.

Initially I think they said Kean was caretaker ... at that point were there whispers baout Maradona coming in?

Then they said he was manager until the end of the season. They might have then changed their tune and said he was there just until they found someone else. And then he got handed a 2-year contract.

There might have been mixed messages from each of the Rao's ... maybe someone else has a better recollection than me.

[den]

Barely any of you guys would be bleating had he been replaced by a proper manager who spent money wisely in the window.

You really don't get it, do you.

You're right, we wouldn't have been "bleating"** had we got a better manager. The whole point of the people who thought it madness to sack Sam - when he was doing so well, was because we knew it would be virtually impossible for anyone to come in and better the results at Blackburn Rovers FC - with the money available. Cue the "well we expected there would be plenty of money available" replies. Well, two points 1] there wasn't, 2] Who's to say Sam wouldn't have spent it as wisely as anyone else? Cue the "well, we should have waited 'til summer" comments. What difference would that have made, because you were still in favour of sacking him whether there was another suitable candidate, or not.

**suggests bitterness at being wrong about sacking him.

[broadsword]

I think Sam would have gone in the Summer anyway.

His contract was up, he'd had health problems, and I think he had one eye on an international gig.

It doesn't matter, what matters is the motivation for sacking him was obviously not because he was doing a bad job (he wasn't). The motivation for it is highly dubious, and we are now substantially weaker.

[thenodrog]

I make no apologies for being ecstatic when Allardyce was chopped, my reasons have been well documented. The mistake was replacing him with Kean, although I was willing to give the guy a chance, plenty on here never did that, it seems he’s out of his depth.

In hindsight it would have been better to wait until the summer, fresh start and all that, but the owners decided against that and I wasn’t against that decision.

So before people attempt to rewrite history:

1) I was over the moon when we sacked Allardyce, no doubt about that.

2) I didn’t expect them to replace him with Kean, I thought they had a name lined up.

3) I now believe they should have waited until the summer, I didn’t believe that to be the case when they sacked Allardyce.

Hope that clears things up.

It does. You have just admitted to being wrong, wrong and wrong again. Something you've been told time and again but which you have refused to accept. When will the realisation dawn that you have little knowledge of football matters, hold seriously flawed opinions and possess all the judgement of a serial loser?

[Mattyblue]

I make no apologies for being ecstatic when Allardyce was chopped, my reasons have been well documented. The mistake was replacing him with Kean, although I was willing to give the guy a chance, plenty on here never did that, it seems he’s out of his depth.

In hindsight it would have been better to wait until the summer, fresh start and all that, but the owners decided against that and I wasn’t against that decision.

So before people attempt to rewrite history:

1) I was over the moon when we sacked Allardyce, no doubt about that.

2) I didn’t expect them to replace him with Kean, I thought they had a name lined up.

3) I now believe they should have waited until the summer, I didn’t believe that to be the case when they sacked Allardyce.

Hope that clears things up.

Fair play for that reply Gav.

What I can't understand though is, taking away your personal dislike of the man, why would you be delighted to see ANY manager that was doing a competent job sacked in the middle of the season?

We know what a poor squad we have and that we are always a bad run away from a relegation struggle, so why would you want the upheaval? New manager lined up or not.

[thenodrog]

Fair play for that reply Gav.

What I can't understand though is, taking away your personal dislike of the man, why would you be delighted to see ANY manager that was doing a competent job sacked in the middle of the season?

We know what a poor squad we have and that we are always a bad run away from a relegation struggle, so why would you want the upheaval? New manager lined up or not.

Simple..... It's because nobody likes being proven wrong. Especially Facebook Warriors.

[Gav]

Fair play for that reply Gav.

What I can't understand though is, taking away your personal dislike of the man, why would you be delighted to see ANY manager that was doing a competent job sacked in the middle of the season?

We know what a poor squad we have and that we are always a bad run away from a relegation struggle, so why would you want the upheaval? New manager lined up or not.

My personal dislike for the man came from his anti Rovers stance when we has at Bolton, plenty of others on this site felt the same, but have since rewritten history, lets make that clear also.

I wanted Allardyce as manager after the Ince debacle, best man out there, best man for the job in hand, should have been appointed before Ince.

The reason for wanting him sacked was simply because he was taking is backwards, in my opinion and his football was making going down to Ewood a chore, I didn’t look forward to the prospect of watching the team anymore. That hadn’t happened in 35yrs of watching the club, but was happening under Allardyce. I think TRS mentioned the same yesterday and he’s been going for longer than me.

So I had my reasons Matty, and most of us in our circle of Rovers fans, all to a man and woman felt the same.

[philipl]

Interesting post on Benitez.

[thenodrog]

My personal dislike for the man came from his anti Rovers stance when we has at Bolton, plenty of others on this site felt the same, but have since rewritten history, lets make that clear also.

You don't say? I guess that totally rules out us interviewing Mourhino, Wenger or Fergy for our managerial post when Kean leaves then?

btw My memory must be failing...... remind me what exactly was his 'anti-rovers stance'?

[imy9]

My personal dislike for the man came from his anti Rovers stance when we has at Bolton, plenty of others on this site felt the same, but have since rewritten history, lets make that clear also.

I wanted Allardyce as manager after the Ince debacle, best man out there, best man for the job in hand, should have been appointed before Ince.

The reason for wanting him sacked was simply because he was taking is backwards, in my opinion and his football was making going down to Ewood a chore, I didn’t look forward to the prospect of watching the team anymore. That hadn’t happened in 35yrs of watching the club, but was happening under Allardyce. I think TRS mentioned the same yesterday and he’s been going for longer than me.

So I had my reasons Matty, and most of us in our circle of Rovers fans, all to a man and woman felt the same.

Respect your opinion Gav.

[thenodrog]

Interesting post on Benitez.

? Irrelevent. We can't have him... he's another thats had an anti rovers stance in his time too.

[Amo]

C'mon Topman. A blind man on a galloping horse could see that Hoilett possesses an amazing talent. He's the best at running with the ball at defenders since Duff imo. However last season he blew hot and cold and his decision making was poor. He shot when he should have passed, he chose unwise passes and he occasionally was caught ballwatching and not tracking back. His talent is undeniable but as with most young players (and especially after playing lower league German football) he actually needed to learn how to apply himself and ply his trade in the Prem.

People like JAL, Den, Hemel were adamant that Hoilett wasn't good enough to start, while people such as myself said he needed a run in the side to develop his game (like Lennon at Spurs). Kean gave Hoilett that chance and proven the critics wrong.

Indeed and why not Topman? .... cos you are obviously ignoring the millions of £'s thats been flushed down the pan to bank accounts in Argentina, Spain and Paraguay and I'd hazard a guess.... Switzerland.

Where's the connection?

[den]

The reason for wanting him sacked was simply because he was taking is backwards, in my opinion and his football was making going down to Ewood a chore, I didn’t look forward to the prospect of watching the team anymore. That hadn’t happened in 35yrs of watching the club, but was happening under Allardyce. I think TRS mentioned the same yesterday and he’s been going for longer than me.

So I had my reasons Matty, and most of us in our circle of Rovers fans, all to a man and woman felt the same.

That wasn't reflected in attendances under Sam though Gav. Attendances, if I'm not mistaken, actually rose. Partly to do with prices granted, but people weren't being put off attending by Allardyce.

[Gav]

That wasn't reflected in attendances under Sam though Gav. Attendances, if I'm not mistaken, actually rose. Partly to do with prices granted, but people weren't being put off attending by Allardyce.

Yes I'm aware of that Den, I can only go off what was being said by the people I know and go to matches with, and that was the feeling amoungst us.

[Jimmy612]

My personal dislike for the man came from his anti Rovers stance when we has at Bolton, plenty of others on this site felt the same, but have since rewritten history, lets make that clear also.

I wanted Allardyce as manager after the Ince debacle, best man out there, best man for the job in hand, should have been appointed before Ince.

The reason for wanting him sacked was simply because he was taking is backwards, in my opinion and his football was making going down to Ewood a chore, I didn’t look forward to the prospect of watching the team anymore. That hadn’t happened in 35yrs of watching the club, but was happening under Allardyce. I think TRS mentioned the same yesterday and he’s been going for longer than me.

So I had my reasons Matty, and most of us in our circle of Rovers fans, all to a man and woman felt the same.

Gav, how on earth can you believe that he was taking us backwards? He took over following the Ince mess, and took us from bottom of the league in mid-December, to 15th in the league.

The following season we acheived 10th position and a league cup semi-final.

This season we had picked up 21 points in the league before Christmas. At which point was he taking us backwards exactly?

I understand that the football was not always great, but the problem you have is that money talks nowadays in football. If you have no money, you do what you can to stay in the PL.. that is rule number 1. After you acheive survival, then you can sart thinking about enjoying the football a bit more (something which i think you will agree, we saw more of at the back end of last season?)

I think it has been mentioned before that it would be interesting if anyone on this MB could name a team who have stayed in the PL on a limited budget such as ours, and have successfully competed in the leage whilst playing attractive football?

You expected far too much from a football team well out of it's depth financially, and from a manager who should be credited massively for the job he did, not berrated because we played a direct style of football

[philipl]

Of course Sam was taking us backwards Vag.

[gumboots]

Yes I'm aware of that Den, I can only go off what was being said by the people I know and go to matches with, and that was the feeling amoungst us.

and among many i know too. it was a case of "it's Rovers so I have to go" but there was very little of the "Yes, it's Rovers. Good, I can't wait" about our attendance. Having a season ticket meant that you sort of went automatically. I didn't call for his head that I remember though no doubt gordon will go back and find a post that says I did, and I think my stance with all those who did was always "Who will we get who is better, given the circumstances?" but I wasn't sorry when he went provided he was replaced with experience. Yes, that manager might have failed, but does that mean we were forever condemned to Allardyce? It shouldn't have, though nor should we ever have been condemned to Kean. I was prepared to give him a chance as there are sometimes surprises and a few decent results might have seen him finding his feet quickly. However, it didn't really happen and a month or so ago I'd have been glad to see the back of him. Now we're stuck for the rest of this season and probably for the foreseeable future, and nobody can defend that, not even the more optimistic fans.

[Gav]

Of course Sam was taking us backwards Vag.

Goodness me, even Philips having a pop

[philipl]

Betting markets moving on Kean getting sacked yet again.

[Mattyblue]

Aint gonna happen.

We had a chance to pot him as long a go as Villa or Fulham away, we are in the rubber dinghy together now till the bitter end.