[Archived] Steve Kean

[gumboots]

Where??????

glad you asked that. I meant to when he first posted it but the phone rang and I forgot.

[imy9]

Lying? Exactly what do you think I'm lying about?

That I have to work a fair few weekends and dont live in Blackburn so only go to Ewood about 7 games a season? Or do you think I'm lying about my job? Or that I took a couple of weeks off work, went to Rio and caught Ronaldinho at the Flamengo-Fluminense derby at the Engenhao? Since those are the three things you mentioned, it would be interesting to see which one you meant.

And no Gav, you ignored it because you're incapable of answering the football related points. Which made up about 90% of that post. I'm going to try and steer it back to the football because my posts are usually mostly about that. Sam wasn't losing the fans and he was taking the club forwards if we look at the league progress. Those two are incontrovertible facts.

My family always told me not to take football messageboards so seriously, especially when the worst thing someone has said is call you a 'numpty'.

Actually, that is a lie. My family had naff all to do with that, it's called common sense.

You are communicating with someone else, things have progressed a lot since the dark ages hence why you could be charged with slander for comments made on a message board. I'll say it again insulting people by inferring they are mentally ill or numpties or the other things you have said I will not say as my family have brought me up to respect people, now obviously that ethos is not universal but I'd expect better from someone working alongside people on a regular basis.

[Mercer]

I have a lot of time and respect for Tony Gale's comments - many of the points made are balanced and salient. It's the same with Jim Mk2.

Unfortunately, for some on here, they like dishing it out but don't like it when the tables are turned.

Long may TGM and Jim continue.

[A cup of beans]

christ mercerman... how big is your spoon ?

[BangkokRover]

I have a lot of time and respect for Tony Gale's comments - many of the points made are balanced and salient. It's the same with Jim Mk2.

Unfortunately, for some on here, they like dishing it out but don't like it when the tables are turned.

Long may TGM and Jim continue.

Here Here well said

[philipl]

If Givet did say that, it is an outrageous show of unprofessionalism.

Neither Givet nor Kean should have said anything outside of Brockhall.

Management is employed to manage unless you are called Steve Kean in which case you collect Air Myles (yes, I like that one), think and look pretty on the touchline.

[gumboots]

Neither Givet nor Kean should have said anything outside of Brockhall.

Management is employed to manage unless you are called Steve Kean in which case you collect Air Myles (yes, I like that one), think and look pretty on the touchline.

Thinl I'd disagree with that one

[Amo]

It's only difficult for the hard of understanding. Hoilett could always go past players. You don't need pace to do that. As for Hoilett's pace he's very quick over the first few of yards in particular, but at the game at Wigan, he didn't outrun his full back, over distance all afternoon. As you will know.

Sorry, Den, you can't talk yourself out of this one.

You weren't only referring to the Wigan game, you simply used that one instance to back up that you've never seen him beat his man.

[imy9]

Sorry, Den, you can't talk yourself out of this one.

You weren't only referring to the Wigan game, you simply used that one instance to back up that you've never seen him beat his man.

Hughesy: I think alot of people believe in his potential & also see the pace he can add to us - I still think the boy could come good - but I also think he will leave us!

Den: I think he has quick feet Hughesy, but I haven't seen him skin anyone for out and out pace yet. Never got past his full back once at Wigan.

[Sysagent]

Has he not gone yet?

[onlyonejackwalker]

If those that disliked previous management could one day hold their hands up and acknowledge the things that SA did well, then there is a chance that this tired old argument can move on.

SA was charged by the Walker Trust with keeping us up in the PL, whilst not spending any money and fulfilled his remit and job description to the letter. He actually exceeded what was asked of him with mid-table finishes and cup semi-finals. He did a good job, exactly what was said on the tin, of that there can be no argument. Therefore for those of us that knew this already, it was a very frustrating time having to constantly defend his appointment and work - against those that ignorantly felt it ok calling him a fat, obnoxious, arrogant, pig-headed, archaic, back-handing, hoofball merchant.

Few could argue he did not try hard for the club, nor give his all. The criticism that therefore cascaded down on him felt very unjust, a professional guy giving his all for the club, doing what was asked of him. Fans that could see the bigger picture therefore defended him fully causing some divides, friction and splits along the way amongst other fans. Also, as older fans will confirm, this was never the Rovers way. We supported our manager through thick and thin, even when the football and results were very poor. Classy behaviour. Classy club.

Those fans loudest in their condemnations of this manager, were suddenly the most vocal in support of the new man SK and the overall changes made. Even without any history to base this support upon. They jumped on this bandwagon and appointment and foolishly embraced it fully, as it fitted perfectly with their over-riding concern of 'Anyone But Sam'.

A couple of unconvincing wins later and they all got excited and trembly claiming we had recruited the new Mourinho, but sadly that has proven not to be the case and they have now been on the back foot for weeks trying to defend their original, distorted positions.

Those that protected SA, automatically took umbrage at the positive comments and spin suddenly offered by fans of SK, when they did not have a good word to say about Allardyce for two years and did not even have the decency to acknowledge when things went well and the team / club / manager had done well.

These fans pointed out that all that glitters is not gold and only time could judge whether the changes made were of benefit, or not. Clearly whichever side of the fence you remain, few could successfully argue that the changes made have had any benefit to us at the club to date. Even the money released and spent has been of little value on the pitch.

I liked and respected SA. The football was a little primitive at times, but I understood the strategy and reasoning and it was a small price to pay for the club's immediate future to be safeguarded. I have no problem with Steve Kean as an individual. But he should not have been given this job as he has no qualifications or experience to suggest he is capable to do what is required of him.

So we rumble on niggling about who, what, when and where. Clearly, Kean is NOT going anywhere just yet. It is hard to imagine that the owners could possible give him more time next year, but stranger things have happened. My wish is that we stay up, remove Kean, replace with a manager that one and all will give a fair chance to, unite the club and fans again and hopefully benefit from all the positives that wealthy new owners can bring to the table with better players and new signings.

Much the same has happned with Villa, with many fans wishing O'neil was still employed. SA is long gone now. It is amazing that a previous manager still gets so many column inches. We do need to draw a line under it soon if possible. Primarily as it is boring and counter productive 5 months down the line.

I am not angry anymore. I am bored. I am bored due to my total lack of understanding about all that has happened since the Venky's took over. I am not worried about relegation now. What will be will be and I will still be there next time round, whichever division we play in.

Que sera, sera, whatever will be will be, we play pre-seson in Tripoli, Que sera, sera.

[Gav]

Great post onlyonejackwalker

I don't agree with some of what you say, but thats what this message board used to be all about, good reasonable points, argued in a constructive manner, far too often excellent posts such as this will get lost in idiotville, of which I’ve been party too today unfortunately.

Again, great post onlyonejackwalker

[SouthAussieRover]

I always think of Ken Brooks when you play the victim.

[Gav]

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I always think of Ken Brooks when you play the victim.

Hello Donald, each time you post I always think of the man who can't decide if hes an Ozy or a Pom, I do miss our late night Ashes chats, how the hell are you.

Me victim, never

[Exiled in Toronto]

I also agree OneJackwalker; well done for moving the debate back to something reasonable and civil.

I see no difficulty in acknowledging what Allardyce achieved and not liking him and certain aspects of his reign: one is rational and one emotional. I respect that Walmart are the world's most successful retailer but I don't like shopping there. He kept us up and steadied a shambolic ship. But, like Gav and quite a few friends of mine, all 40-years+ supporting, I found the games mostly boring such that I would spend half the time on my laptop if it was on live or fast-forward through bits if it was tape delayed. Personally I didn't care if we finished 10th or 15th as, in this league these days, there is no qualitative difference. It's a handful of points which are more likely to come from penalties for dives and ludicrous sending offs than from any consistently better play. I respect that other fans are only motivated by the result but I like a bit of foreplay before the money shot. For the record I thought Allardyce a good man manager, a good subber, but thought he bought on the whole poorly, low budgets or not (how many of the 12+ players he brought in made any sustained impact?)

I suspect the decision to can him was also emotional rather than rational. For someone with his managerial record, he shouldn't have been sacked 3 times and unemployed for 18 months. Even at Bolton, Gartside seemed to be glad to see the back of him, so if he can irritate sections of the fanbase, he must also be capable of doing even more so to his bosses. Rich and successful people are quite prone to over-reacting to emotional issues. It probably didn't help when he met Barry White his first words allegedly were, "Eyup Char Wallah, put us another brew in there would you, there's a good lad." Well, maybe not, but I didn't get the impression he went out of his way to sell himself to his new bosses. Giving a clearly hopeless Goulon his debut at OT seemed an act of lunacy at the time and I suspect could well have triggered off the red mist coming down at the party in Pune.

I don't know who these Kean fans are; everyone can see he shouldn't be in the job. I was amazed to see the headline that Allardyce had gone but doubly amazed not to see the next day that Martin Jol or somesuch hadn't been appointed. Appointed a total novice at this level implies that you don't need any experience at all which is clearly nonsense. I don't know why people bother comparing their two records, Kean shouldn't be anywhere near the job.

I think we will stay up by the skin of our teeth and that the owners will finally see sense and get in a proper manager.

[Kelbo]

I have to agree with some of the posts here which are well structured and impartial, however my greatest concern now is this, can we still attract a top manager who will not be allowed to do things his way or have interferance from other sources as well as our unknowledgable owners?

Would any one of us put our reputation on the line to achieve results but having to do it someone elses way and if it fails you get the chop?

Maybe an older manager may think, OK, one final payday but a young up and coming manager like Bilic for example, I dont think so!!

[Mattyblue]

Good rebuttal that EiT, apart from the Goulon reference (who?) and OT debacle. To me, this 'party in Pune' was just the excuse they needed to get a strong character like Sam out the door and a yes man in the hotseat.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Good rebuttal that EiT, apart from the Goulon reference (who?) and OT debacle. To me, this 'party in Pune' was just the excuse they needed to get a strong character like Sam out the door and a yes man in the hotseat.

I'm surprised you have forgotten Goulon. Started the game in centre mid making his debut, played worse than Reah's cousin and was subbed after 28 mins which is the earliest I can remember us making a tactical substitution in my 45 years of watching. Not a good advert on every level for Allardyce to a new set of bosses, compounded by the result.

[Mattyblue]

Haha, I was at OT for the mauling, I have expunged him from my memory.

[blue_and_white]

It is amazing that a previous manager still gets so many column inches. We do need to draw a line under it soon if possible. Primarily as it is boring and counter productive 5 months down the line.

Great post yet again. However I fear mentions of Allardyce are inevitable while Kean is in charge. Its natural to have a few weeks comparing a new manager with his predecessor, that time is lengthened if the predecessor was unfairly sacked, and is further lengthened if the new manager proves to be considerably worse. I totally agree the best thing that could happen now is for Rovers to stay up and replace Kean with a proven, high quality manager who can give the fans confidence and unite them all behind him. Then I'd imagine the only mentions Allardyce will get will be on reflection as either the first stupid Venkys decision of many if they continue to get things wrong or as an example of what they started out like and how much they've learnt if they start getting their act together.

[chaddyrovers]

I was a big fan of Sam Allardyce and he got results but the football wasn't great. I accept this because he produced results and espically at home.

When the owners sacked him I was in shocked because I wasn't excepting this to happen. If the owners were going to do this then it was going to be in the summer when his contract was up.

But When they did I was sure that they had a manager line up or a shortlist. I thought that they would go for Martin Jol! Would play attcking football and have experience in the PL.

but wasn't excepting them to appoint rovers first team coach at all. when they did this I couldn't believe this all and thought why? What managerial experience has he got.

I think Kean won't be manager next season whether we stay up or go down. The owners wanted to qualify for european next season or season after if we stay up, so I think they will appoint a proven manager maybe with PL experience to achieve this target! Kean is not the man for sure!

[Rover95]

What I can't understand is why he was given a 2 and a half year deal. Initially he was given to the end of the season which is fair enough. But then why the rush to make it permanent. Why not wait and see what would happen at he end of the season?

All this makes me think that he will still be with us come what may...

Is it likely that the owners will pay him off and then be able to attract someone decent next season?

[chaddyrovers]

surely the owners what have put a clause into his contract to review the situation at the end of the season. would have been a good idea if they had!

[Dan]

What I can't understand is why he was given a 2 and a half year deal. Initially he was given to the end of the season which is fair enough. But then why the rush to make it permanent. Why not wait and see what would happen at he end of the season?

This is the problem. No one can understand this, except maybe our owners. Do they know what they are doing? This must be a world record time for someone taking over and ruining a football club (or even a business?).

It's very worrying. They couldn't have appointed a more risky choice. Huge gamble and it's hasn't paid off. Totally predictable really, it was highly unlikely he was going go do well.

Our club is ruined, Cheers Venky's. Now we know what their chickens are going through, absolute hell.

[Tom]

surely the owners what have put a clause into his contract to review the situation at the end of the season. would have been a good idea if they had!

Very doubtful, I think they may be too naive to the football world for that, if rumours are to be believed they genuinely didn't think relegation was a possibility.