[Archived] Steve Kean

[Gav]

I also agree OneJackwalker; well done for moving the debate back to something reasonable and civil.

I see no difficulty in acknowledging what Allardyce achieved and not liking him and certain aspects of his reign: one is rational and one emotional. I respect that Walmart are the world's most successful retailer but I don't like shopping there. He kept us up and steadied a shambolic ship. But, like Gav and quite a few friends of mine, all 40-years+ supporting, I found the games mostly boring such that I would spend half the time on my laptop if it was on live or fast-forward through bits if it was tape delayed. Personally I didn't care if we finished 10th or 15th as, in this league these days, there is no qualitative difference. It's a handful of points which are more likely to come from penalties for dives and ludicrous sending offs than from any consistently better play. I respect that other fans are only motivated by the result but I like a bit of foreplay before the money shot. For the record I thought Allardyce a good man manager, a good subber, but thought he bought on the whole poorly, low budgets or not (how many of the 12+ players he brought in made any sustained impact?)

I suspect the decision to can him was also emotional rather than rational. For someone with his managerial record, he shouldn't have been sacked 3 times and unemployed for 18 months. Even at Bolton, Gartside seemed to be glad to see the back of him, so if he can irritate sections of the fanbase, he must also be capable of doing even more so to his bosses. Rich and successful people are quite prone to over-reacting to emotional issues. It probably didn't help when he met Barry White his first words allegedly were, "Eyup Char Wallah, put us another brew in there would you, there's a good lad." Well, maybe not, but I didn't get the impression he went out of his way to sell himself to his new bosses. Giving a clearly hopeless Goulon his debut at OT seemed an act of lunacy at the time and I suspect could well have triggered off the red mist coming down at the party in Pune.

I don't know who these Kean fans are; everyone can see he shouldn't be in the job. I was amazed to see the headline that Allardyce had gone but doubly amazed not to see the next day that Martin Jol or somesuch hadn't been appointed. Appointed a total novice at this level implies that you don't need any experience at all which is clearly nonsense. I don't know why people bother comparing their two records, Kean shouldn't be anywhere near the job.

I think we will stay up by the skin of our teeth and that the owners will finally see sense and get in a proper manager.

Great post Exiled.

[tony gale's mic]

I was amazed to see the headline that Allardyce had gone but doubly amazed not to see the next day that Martin Jol or somesuch hadn't been appointed. Appointed a total novice at this level implies that you don't need any experience at all which is clearly nonsense.

Here's the difference. While I was surprised to see Kean get the job, equally I wasn't remotely surprised we didn't get a top name come in. These people had already showed themselves to be pretty clueless already, and why would Jol who had managed Spurs and Ajax all of a sudden come to unfashionable Blackburn? The only thing that made me think he might come was the bookies' odds, but it was pretty obvious when they said we should be in the top 5 that they had no real plan in place.

[PAFELL]

Betting markets moving on Kean getting sacked yet again.

History on this subject, says that means nowt. The markets may move but it appears kean is super glued.

glad you asked that. I meant to when he first posted it but the phone rang and I forgot.

Appears the post is still missing.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Here's the difference. While I was surprised to see Kean get the job, equally I wasn't remotely surprised we didn't get a top name come in. These people had already showed themselves to be pretty clueless already, and why would Jol who had managed Spurs and Ajax all of a sudden come to unfashionable Blackburn? The only thing that made me think he might come was the bookies' odds, but it was pretty obvious when they said we should be in the top 5 that they had no real plan in place.

Money. As long as they can suck at the engorged teat of the premiership, things like career planning go out of the window.

[tony gale's mic]

Money. As long as they can suck at the engorged teat of the premiership, things like career planning go out of the window.

But even in the early days we pretty much knew Venky's weren't Ambramovich and Sheikh Mansour style rich. We always knew from their initial statements that the transfer budget wasn't going to be that big (talk of loaning players etc). While I'm sure they had more of a wage budget than the previous owners, they still weren't going to pay more than the class of clubs that Martin Jol could get offers from (I doubt Venky's would pay much higher wages than Spurs, for example).

And if you look back, how many managers have gone to teams below their rank just for the money? Maybe if said club has a transfer pot of £40 million so they can turn the club into a force, but at the end of the day if a manager with a good reputation fails at a lower rank club, it's a massive blot on his CV.

[jim mk2]

. Rich and successful people are quite prone to over-reacting to emotional issues. It probably didn't help when he met Barry White his first words allegedly were, "Eyup Char Wallah, put us another brew in there would you, there's a good lad." Well, maybe not, but I didn't get the impression he went out of his way to sell himself to his new bosses. Giving a clearly hopeless Goulon his debut at OT seemed an act of lunacy at the time and I suspect could well have triggered off the red mist coming down at the party in Pune.

Not sure about that. Successful business people are often cold and emotional and make good decisions after careful thought. Successful business people also recognise when they do not have the expertise and let those who do have the expertise get on with the job. Venky's certainly made an emotional decision after the Old Trafford match and Sam's failure to "sell himself" to them probably contributed to his downfall too. I don't blame Sam for not fawning to his new employers however - he probably rightly felt he had nothing to prove and should be judged on his record and experience. Well done to him.

[philipl]

Not sure about that. Successful business people are often cold and emotional and make good decisions after careful thought. Successful business people also recognise when they do not have the expertise and let those who do have the expertise get on with the job. Venky's certainly made an emotional decision after the Old Trafford match and Sam's failure to "sell himself" to them probably contributed to his downfall too. I don't blame Sam for not fawning to his new employers however - he probably rightly felt he had nothing to prove and should be judged on his record and experience. Well done to him.

We are dealing with the children of a successful businessman who have to say the least, an interesting family dynamic between them.

They have also moved into an industry the main person knows absolutely diddly squat about and for all his supposed expertise on Barca, most members of this MB would expect to wipe the floor with Balaji on football knowledge.

In my opinion, the decision to sack Sam Allardyce and appoint Steve Kean is an historic thing involving Jerome Anderson. Nicko's attempt to exhonerate Jerome Anderson on the timing does not ring true to me.

[chaddyrovers]

We are dealing with the children of a successful businessman who have to say the least, an interesting family dynamic between them.

They have also moved into an industry the main person knows absolutely diddly squat about and for all his supposed expertise on Barca, most members of this MB would expect to wipe the floor with Balaji on football knowledge.

In my opinion, the decision to sack Sam Allardyce and appoint Steve Kean is an historic thing involving Jerome Anderson. Nicko's attempt to exhonerate Jerome Anderson on the timing does not ring true to me.

spot on there on both point philipl!

[Exiled in Toronto]

Not sure about that. Successful business people are often cold and emotional and make good decisions after careful thought. Successful business people also recognise when they do not have the expertise and let those who do have the expertise get on with the job. Venky's certainly made an emotional decision after the Old Trafford match and Sam's failure to "sell himself" to them probably contributed to his downfall too. I don't blame Sam for not fawning to his new employers however - he probably rightly felt he had nothing to prove and should be judged on his record and experience. Well done to him.

That's how things should work but I suspect plenty on this board have found themselves in the position of having to prove themselves all over again to a new boss, which is both annoying and time-consuming. It is however, quite bemusing that Mr Kean had the opposite experience of not having to prove himself at all.

In my opinion, the decision to sack Sam Allardyce and appoint Steve Kean is an historic thing involving Jerome Anderson. Nicko's attempt to exhonerate Jerome Anderson on the timing does not ring true to me.

"An historic thing"?

what does that mean?

[philipl]

That's how things should work but I suspect plenty on this board have found themselves in the position of having to prove themselves all over again to a new boss, which is both annoying and time-consuming. It is however, quite bemusing that Mr Kean had the opposite experience of not having to prove himself at all.

"An historic thing"?

what does that mean?

Glad it is unclear...

[Exiled in Toronto]

Glad it is unclear...

Well, it's grammatically incorrect for a start, and if your point was to suggest that it is all water under the bridge, as in it's history now, then I would agree, but then I don't post about the more successful of the bounty-hunting buyer-finders on a daily basis.

[philipl]

Glad it is winding you up.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Glad it is winding you up.

It isn't at all. I just don't see why you couldn't answer a simple polite request for clarification.

[philipl]

It isn't at all. I just don't see why you couldn't answer a simple polite request for clarification.

Really?

[Kelbo]

That's how things should work but I suspect plenty on this board have found themselves in the position of having to prove themselves all over again to a new boss, which is both annoying and time-consuming. It is however, quite bemusing that Mr Kean had the opposite experience of not having to prove himself at all.

"An historic thing"?

what does that mean?

Mr Kean? What has he done to earn such respect|?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Mr Kean? What has he done to earn such respect|?

I can't bring myself to call him 'Steve'!

[John]

The delightful words of our wonderful owner Mrs D - wonder if she reflects back she realises she does not have a clue what she is talking about....

On Steve Kean, she said: "The manager is very good. When my brothers first met him they realised that the more you spend time with him the more impressive he becomes.

"He is a thinking manager and we are very impressed with him and we are confident going forward."

[broadsword]

I can't bring myself to call him 'Steve'!

Just call him pilgarlic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pilgarlic

[Kelbo]

Just call him pilgarlic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pilgarlic

[rebelmswar]

Just call him pilgarlic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pilgarlic

Mild?

[Mercer]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburnrovers/news/8967000.Roque_has_still_got_quality__says_Blackburn_Rovers_manager/

Another article that, IMO, just confirms what a clown Kean is.

And he wants to sign RSC permanently.

Total despair, total shyte and time for some kip.

[booth]

I had a chat with a fellow Rovers fan a few weeks ago who lives near to where Kean lives in Whalley.

I don't know how true this is, but I was told some Burnley fans posted some, er, "waste" through his letterbox.

Although it's completely out of order I'm beginning to wonder if they were actually Burnley fans.

[Andy]

I would think that it's more likely to be a Rovers supporter than any other fan, least of all our six-fingered friends from the wrong end of the M65 - who must be delighted at the job he's currently doing.

That said, as much of an incompetent fool he is, making things personal is a bit out of order.

[blue_and_white]

It was probably Burnley fans, sounds like their style. Plus crediting Dingles with the logic to like a manager who's shafting us is being very generous. Even some Rovers fans failed to apply that logic to Coyle, continuing to sing that offensive song about him even after he ditched and relegated them.

[Mr. E]

Every single thing that comes out of this man's mouth is incompetent and delusional. He should pursue a career in politics and get the hell out of our football club.