[Archived] Blackburn Rovers' dealings with influential agent Jerome Anderson comes under scrutiny

[imy9]

Theno- I agree 100% lunacy on our part but the blame lies at the feet of JW more so than Venkys.

Brian- its a story as I am sure other clubs players have clauses in place.

Can someone elaborate on Ramm and Pearson, what's happened there?

[Mc Love]

The appointment of a local 'chairman' is closer. I think that was what was going on at the club on Friday. Certainly not sacking the manager.

Surely Tom Finn would be in line for it?!

[Fife Rover]

Why doesn't that story tie in with what Nicko tells us in here? If Venkys are committed to the club and have money, then why would this be a problem? This could have been a positive story about how it means players could be more likely to stay if we are relegated. I.e. Because Venkys will honour PL wages in the Championship.

Excellent point Jisty. I thinkwe should put the question to Nicko on here and see what he says about it.

[Mattyblue]

Of course imy, apart from poor PR, what have they actually got wrong?

[nicko]

Excellent point Jisty. I thinkwe should put the question to Nicko on here and see what he says about it.

It was a good idea to put players on longer-term deals in January.

It will be an expensive one if you get relegated.

Quite simple really.

If you look at all of the teams in the bottom half just now Rovers would have a bundle of big earners and probably only Villa would have a similar number of higly-paid players.

Clubs like Blackpool, West Brom and Wolves have pay-cut clauses in most contracts. They expect to yo-yo.

Wigan would just sell everything that is not nailed down.

West Ham too.

So Rovers and Villa are in a slightly different cataegory to the others if the worst happens.

[John]

Surely Tom Finn would be in line for it?!

Normal and logical decisions don't fit with Venky's - plus SEM/Kentaro will no doubt have an opinion too.

[Stuart]

Nicko, on here you are very matter-of-fact about our situation, yet your pieces in the ragtops, particularly Sunday's, seem more sensationalist about how bad our situation is.

That sounds like "Tabloid Sales Strategy 101".

But what is the truth? You are allowed to say "I don't know".

[Fife Rover]

I think the point isn't that relegation clauses are removed, the point is that Venky's continue to risk this club's future through their decisions. The problem is they keep digging holes for themselves and then doing something to make those holes even deeper. They appoint an inexperienced manager who is unable to get results, and then they give our players beefed up contracts, remove the relegation clause and hope for the best.

Same thing with Myles Anderson. There's huge question marks over the influence of Jerome Anderson on the club, so what do they do? They decide to sign on his son, as though people will just ignore that. Quite simply, they're not doing themselves any favours in the eyes of the fans.

The point is though that it is not just Rovers fans that are thinking this way and getting alarmed.....it is the football supporting public at large who, assisted by the media, are ALL having a laugh/cry (according to their various loyalties).

Blackburn Rovers FC have become the laughing stock of the whole of English football, and if the Raos don't like that they should consider that neither do we the real supporters, and they should realise that they and they alone are responsible for this state of affairs.

[imy9]

Of course imy, apart from poor PR, what have they actually got wrong?

Plenty- dont need me to repeat the same things again do you? However JW's role in the wages is significant yet no one sees fit to place some blame on the guy who has been negotiating the contracts before and after Venkys.

I would also be interested in what happens with Givet and whether we have pay out.

[John]

The point is though that it is not just Rovers fans that are thinking this way and getting alarmed.....it is the football supporting public at large who, assisted by the media, are ALL having a laugh/cry (according to their various loyalties).

Blackburn Rovers FC have become the laughing stock of the whole of English football, and if the Raos don't like that they should consider that neither do we the real supporters, and they should realise that they and they alone are responsible for this state of affairs.

Very true - I am being asked/questioned on nearly a daily basis at the moment by non Rovers fans asking what the hell is going on (why was Kean appointed, signing Myles Anderson etc etc).

It seems that the wider public are catching on to the mess which is taking place in front of us.

[imy9]

Good grief Gumboots. Players always support a manager in public. The only time they diss him is after he's been fired.

To be fair there were numerous stories circulating about Ince and how the players hated things even though in public there were positives- this is a different situation in that in public and private the players are supporting him.

[nicko]

Nicko, on here you are very matter-of-fact about our situation, yet your pieces in the ragtops, particularly Sunday's, seem more sensationalist about how bad our situation is.

The situation is matter of fact.

The reality is the reality.

If you go down you will have a very big payroll...including players who went on new deals and don't have pay-cut clauses. There's nothing 'sensational' about that. It's just the way it is.

I think people get guilty of over-analysing stories.

It's like the Keith Andrews story a month ago. The story was right. The story was unusual which is why it was worth a place in the paper. Withing a couple of hours of it appearing there were about five or six conspiracy theories at work.

Bizarre.

[Andy]

The situation is matter of fact.

The reality is the reality.

If you go down you will have a very big payroll...including players who went on new deals and don't have pay-cut clauses. There's nothing 'sensational' about that. It's just the way it is.

And yet you think this was a good decision...?

You state job security, but by handing out non-relegation-reduction contracts at the same time of putting an absolute novice in charge - where, it's fair to say, the odds were always very much against him being any kind of competent Premiership manager - is absolute suicide.

[chaddyrovers]

The appointment of a local 'chairman' is closer. I think that was what was going on at the club on Friday. Certainly not sacking the manager.

You would think that the Local Chairman will be Tom Finn! Knows the club inside out. massive rovers fan aswell and has the club at his club. Plus his appointment would go down with Fans aswell! This is crucial imo!!!

[nicko]

And yet you think this was a good decision...?

You state job security, but by handing out non-relegation-reduction contracts at the same time of putting an absolute novice in charge - where, it's fair to say, the odds were always very much against him being any kind of competent Premiership manager - is absolute suicide.

Oh yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It was a good decision - AT THE TIME - to put key men on longer deals and let them know they were part of the future.

It will be a costly decision come the summer all the same.

What would you suggest? Ask players without pay-cut clauses IN THEIR CONTRACTS to sign new contracts WITH THEM?

Relegation would be a sore one.

The only small consolation is that the current owners would be able to find money to cover it.

Wonder what would have happened under the Trustees? Any time John Williams even mentioned relegation he used to go pale.

[chaddyrovers]

nicko, how sure are you that the owners would have the money to cover it?

how much would it take to cover it?

[gumboots]

Good grief Gumboots. Players always support a manager in public. The only time they diss him is after he's been fired.

Nobody said anything about public. Of course it's different what they say to the press in interviews from what they really think, but I have no reason to think that this was tailored to an audience. It was something i heard that I have no reason to disbelieve, and when others have confirmed that they are hearing the same in conversation with players then perhaps we ought to take notice.

[funny-old-game]

The situation is matter of fact.

The reality is the reality.

If you go down you will have a very big payroll...including players who went on new deals and don't have pay-cut clauses. There's nothing 'sensational' about that. It's just the way it is.

I think people get guilty of over-analysing stories.

It's like the Keith Andrews story a month ago. The story was right. The story was unusual which is why it was worth a place in the paper. Withing a couple of hours of it appearing there were about five or six conspiracy theories at work.

Bizarre.

Nicko, you have on many occasions said that the owner have the right to do what they want with the club as it is their money they are putting in, but they are only custodians of our proud club and have a duty of care, but the way they are turned the club upside down in such a short time, turning us from a well run club into a footballing joke, makes them accountable to everyone including the press.

[Mattyblue]

Tom Finn?

Wishful thinking I fear, is Spiro not a shoe in?

[nicko]

Nicko, you have on many occasions said that the owner have the right to do what they want with the club as it is their money they are putting in, but they are only custodians of our proud club and have a duty of care, but the way they are turned the club upside down in such a short time, turning us from a well run club into a footballing joke, makes them accountable to everyone including the press.

There is a whole lot of over-reaction and hysterics going on right now.

The fans need to just take a breath rather than going mental about everything and anything. Some of the over-analysis and pure nonsense that has gone around lately does not help.

The owners need to realise that this is not just any business. This is something that needs to be watched carefully on a daily basis. Football moves differently and more quickly than most other enterprises that they are involved in.

The bottom line is you are 13th. Three points off the bottom. Three points off halfway.

You either go around panicking or you grit your teeth and dig it out.

[Stuart]

The situation is matter of fact.

The reality is the reality.

If you go down you will have a very big payroll...including players who went on new deals and don't have pay-cut clauses. There's nothing 'sensational' about that. It's just the way it is.

I think people get guilty of over-analysing stories.

It's like the Keith Andrews story a month ago. The story was right. The story was unusual which is why it was worth a place in the paper. Withing a couple of hours of it appearing there were about five or six conspiracy theories at work.

Bizarre.

Perhaps we are guilty of over-analysing press stories but is it any wonder when, apart from anecdotal info on message boards, it's the only communication we get. Let's face it the owners don't communicate with the fans and they no longer employ the two most credible communicators the club had.

So whilst reading through the various newspaper articles that dig and laugh at Rovers demise, it's not bizarre that we should look closely for some crumbs of comfort, or some way to discredit these opinions and laugh off the snide comments from workmates.

But when we read your pieces which have a history of being more truth than fiction, phrases such as "financial nightmare", "massive financial burden" and "stretch the funds" resonate with us, as we are scared to death. So much so that our only glimmer appears to be "InsideRover's" recent post and an assumption that with a username like that he's not a WUM.

Yet you turn up with comments like it IS matter of fact, effectively playing down your own article.

So forgive me if I'm a little confused or even over-sensitive. Maybe my nightmares are worse than your nightmares. But then again I'm a Rovers supporter whilst you can be more objective and passive about everything that's happening.

[funny-old-game]

There is a whole lot of over-reaction and hysterics going on right now.

The fans need to just take a breath rather than going mental about everything and anything. Some of the over-analysis and pure nonsense that has gone around lately does not help.

The owners need to realise that this is not just any business. This is something that needs to be watched carefully on a daily basis. Football moves differently and more quickly than most other enterprises that they are involved in.

The bottom line is you are 13th. Three points off the bottom. Three points off halfway.

You either go around panicking or you grit your teeth and dig it out.

That's just the point, the owners don't realise that this is not just any business, and if you as an experienced journo don't stand with us the fans on this and help fight our corner, even though I am sure you understand why we are going mental at the shear stupidity of what has happened, who else can we turn to, we need help!!!

[chaddyrovers]

Owners give full backing to kean

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16467_6837069,00.html

[Majiball]

Oh yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

You need hindsight to figure out a man with zero experience or practice at running his own team could walk into one of the strongest leagues in the world and compete well enough to best last season. I don't believe that for one second.

This is the choice they have made that has had the biggest negative impact on our club. It just makes no sense at all, lets spend 40-50 odd million and put the fate of that HUGE amount of money in someone who has never ever done the job before. Casino's must be on every street corner in India as even a layman would question those actions.

I mean Christ we haven't even replaced the coach we have lost in McDonald and are working with a skeleton staff who have never worked together. When was the last time that occurred by the way I cannot remember the last time a new manager didn't bring in his pals? The staff was already one of the smallest around now it is the smallest and the least experienced. This baffles me by the way, if he's safe for another 2.5 years why hasn't he been allowed to bring in staff to the level we were before?

How do you reckon Coyles career would have gone if he started at Bolton without having his spells learning his trade for 7 years prior??? There's enough pressures in football as it stands at all levels without making your fledgling learning mistakes in an arena where every action and word is questioned. It's like playing sink or swim in the sea during a hurricane, chicken oriental.

Kean had the chance at the tale end of last season to go manage Kilmarnock, why did he not take that as at that sort of level you can make mistakes and get away with them.

If Coyles first managerial job offer had come from Bolton would you have advised him to take it or not?

[DanLad]

Owners give full backing to kean

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16467_6837069,00.html

So he is being sacked.