[Archived] Everton vs Rovers

[Tom]

Why on earth are the fans turning on each other? Some liked Sam, some didnt, some wanted him out, some didnt. Isnt that football?? Different opinions. The ones blaming the sam bashers.....do you think the venkys listened to fans and thought it was easier to get him out because some fans didnt want him. If that was the case, Kean would have been sacked weeks ago.

The Venkys wanted sam out from the beginning, probably like they wanted john williams out from the beginning, but they needed to find the right excuse to do that and 7 - 1 against man united was the perfect excuse. They wanted the club to be run their way from the start and needed to find the right moment, it had nothing to do with whether fans wanted him out. The venkys made the decision by themselves, blaming the fans isnt going to help or get us anywhere. We are already a laughing stock, fans turning on each other, on here and in the stands is making us more of a shambles than it already is.

Because we have pathetic posts like Mikers on the last page spouting about how he was right and everyone who questioned Sam deserves it. All from his ivory tower on another continent I believe.

[DE.]

negativity towards mr negagative ,how ironic.

a LOT of blame on the owners? ITS ALL THE BLAME!!!

He may have been "Mr Negative" but our points total and league position whilst under his management were anything but. I'd take his brand of 'negativity' back in a heartbeat.

[Amo]

the boos were by a tiny minority fed up of watching the football played in a certain way. the boos came when we had the ball on the left with 5 mins to go. we outnumbered their defence by 2, yet sam was screaming for the ball to be played back.

IIRC, a minority were frustrated that what should have been a comfortable 3-0 win would've been squandered if not for Robbo's heroics, as Rovers were happy to camp in their own half and lump it back to Wolves in the second-half.

[Pete1981]

Kean points to opening goal as turning point

[beerwins]

Again Abbs, that's not what I'm saying. All i'm saying is I believe the overall negativity of the fans towards a manager that did a lot to keep this club in the division despite massive underinvestment by our owners helped them make up their minds.

Obviously a lot of the blame is on the owners, indeed most of it, but I believe beyond a doubt that the general negativity of many supporters towards Allardyce (and it wasn't a few, it was a lot) played a part. Whether that's true or not only Venky's know, but they've cocked up either way, and it looks like it's going to cost us our premier league status.

They dont listen to the fans now what makes you think they did then.

Your just looking for someone to blame and the blame can only be laid at Venky's feet. They wanted to see free flowing attacking football as they said when they took over, they were never going to get that with Sam and the writing was on the wall from the moment that statement was made.

[Mattyblue]

IIRC, a minority were frustrated that what should have been a comfortable 3-0 win would've been squandered if not for Robbo's heroics, as Rovers were happy to camp in their own half and lump it back to Wolves in the second-half.

Oh for the days of arguing over 3-0 wins.

[ABBEY]

Because we have pathetic posts like Mikers on the last page spouting about how he was right and everyone who questioned Sam deserves it. All from his ivory tower on another continent I believe.

here here tom.

[BRFC1995]

gag? oh they have not made shed lots of money then?

I'd imagine their dad was the clever one that made the money and had the ideas, think the 'shrewd' gene may have skipped a generation

[DE.]

They dont listen to the fans now what makes you think they did then.

Your just looking for someone to blame and the blame can only be laid at Venky's feet. They wanted to see free flowing attacking football as they said when they took over, they were never going to get that with Sam and the writing was on the wall from the moment that statement was made.

not looking for anyone to blame, too late for that now anyway and won't make a jot of difference. It's just my opinion.

[thenodrog]

Is that all you care about? "I told you so". I wanted rid of Sam, I detested his @#/? football. I did not agree with him being sacked mid season and I certainly did not want him to be sacked without an adequate replacement. The reason we are in this position is not because your God Sam is gone, it's because those clueless clowns in charge decided to promote the first person that kissed their arses.

I'm fed up of the bitches on here. We ALL love Rovers. No one wanted this situation and it's obvious we'd be better with Sam right now. I'm severely fed up and the "I told you so" brigade; it isn't really helping. Hindsight is a beautfiul thing, but please lets just be equally miserable together please?

People with only the benefit of hindsight are light years behind those with foresight and you should respect that Dan. Some on here warned from the start that the sacking of the manager would be disastrous. Jim even started a relegation thread .... check the date. PhilipL has had fearful stick as have I, TonyGales mic and others. Meanwhile the nickoteens preferred to drink from Nicko's poisoned chalice and hurl insults at anybody who didn't follow blindly along and who dared to post warnings of impending danger.

You were all told what would happen so don't lash out blindly now that the ######'s hit the fan.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

I didn't mind Sam leaving. The timing was ridiculous but it happened. I think we all hoped that there was someone lined up without us having to resort to a backroom coach.

People were threatening to boycott matches due to Allardyce's football. Where are those people now by the way???

Kean is learning on the job at the end of an extremely tight premier league season. This is not the time for someone like him to be leading the team regardless of how he wants to play. The problem is that it would be arguably even more disruptive to get someone new in now.

As far as today:

Everton at home would have been a tricky fixture regardless of where we were in the table. Our season and our premier league status will be decided against Bolton, West Ham and Wolves. Everton have better players and are in decent form. On paper they should have won and they did so lets not lose the plot.

Our fate is in our own hands. The next 4/5 weeks will be terrifying but we have enough winnable games to stay up.

Hoilett returning and the promise of Rochina will hopefully give us more next week.

[Amo]

People with only the benefit of hindsight are light years behind those with foresight and you should respect that Dan. Some on here warned from the start that the sacking of the manager would be disastrous. Jim even started a relegation thread .... check the date. PhilipL has had fearful stick as have I, TonyGales mic and others. Meanwhile the nickoteens preferred to drink from Nicko's poisoned chalice and hurl insults at anybody who didn't follow blindly along and who dared to post warnings of impending danger.

You were all told what would happen so don't lash out blindly now that the ######'s hit the fan.

Who are you to sit on your high-horse when you thought Hughes would be a cack appointment?

[imy9]

Theno- what a load of rubbish, you genuinely are getting a kick out of the situation that Rovers are in...

Oh yeah a League 1 manager is going to fail- great foresight.

Sacking a good manager in December is a bad decision- great foresight.

Getting foreign ownership could be bad- again after the countless debacles in the pl that again was amazing foresight, repeating the same points and trying to be the MB's Nostradamus is now wearing thin.

[Plastic Head]

Mr Steve Kean you are a useless %%%%. &&&& off you no mark @@@@.

As for Venkys, ££££ %%%% **** ???? +-=-===-= you %%%%%%%%%%%%% *&^%$£".

++++ers.

As for the game Everton were the better team and deserved the win after some fine attacking play in the second half against a toothless Rovers.

[thenodrog]

The previous owners sold a devalued product with a squad starved of investment.

Thats only your own opinion. Lets stick to the facts should we?

[EWOODACE1]

People with only the benefit of hindsight are light years behind those with foresight and you should respect that Dan. Some on here warned from the start that the sacking of the manager would be disastrous. Jim even started a relegation thread .... check the date. PhilipL has had fearful stick as have I, TonyGales mic and others. Meanwhile the nickoteens preferred to drink from Nicko's poisoned chalice and hurl insults at anybody who didn't follow blindly along and who dared to post warnings of impending danger.

You were all told what would happen so don't lash out blindly now that the ######'s hit the fan.

what do you want. a medal that you was worried before us.

sam being sacked wasnt the problem. the problem was the replacement

[thenodrog]

Totally disagree.

The Waker Trust had ONE final action to take for Jack and his legacy.

They have failed it, utterly.

What was that exactly? They sold to people that they had been informed were OK presumably? Otherwise why appoint Rothschilds. Once the ink was dry they could have no control over proceedings could they?

You have no responsibility if someone buys your old car and drives it into a wall the day after have you?

[Mattyblue]

Oh come on drog, one hour in the company of the Rao's should have been enough.

[Andy]

what do you want. a medal that you was worried before us.

sam being sacked wasnt the problem. the problem was the replacement

Half right.

Obviously sacking an experienced and extremely competent manager who had a great knowledge of the players at his disposal was always going to cause us major problems halfway through a season, where the league is very tight.

However, to then replace Sam with a no-mark, tactical-ignorant yes man compounded any problems the above caused.

So, in truth, both parts have been the cause of why we're currently heading towards the Championship at double-quick speed.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We simply dont score enough goals,we dont win enough games....... we're not good enough.

Rovers are looking down the barrel of a Championship gun right now and its primed to blow us to pieces

[onlyonejackwalker]

There is still time to save the season. Kean must be removed immediately. If we don't change anything, nothing will change.

Make TP / Nelsen manager for the run in. Unite the club and the fans.

[thenodrog]

They surely must have discussed with Venky's what their plans were? We were led to believe that the trust wanted to ensure we were 'in safe hands'?

And as soon as the ink was dry that meant absolutely nowt. What steps do you think the Trust could have reasonably taken to control events once they had sold?

[cn174]

We simply dont score enough goals,we dont win enough games.......

Rovers are looking down the barrel of a Championship gun right now

Doesn't help much when your two leading goalscorers (admittedly with just 6 each!) are both on the bench.

[PAFELL]

There is still time to save the season. Kean must be removed immediately. If we don't change anything, nothing will change.

Make TP / Nelsen manager for the run in. Unite the club and the fans.

For 5 games Tony Parkes is maybe the best option - if venky's are not prepared to go and get a decent manager.

[jim mk2]

Precisely. Same old boorish, brainless posters wheeling out the same old Pro-Sam, "told-you-so" rhetoric. Change the record boys.

Venky's mistake was replacing an average but experienced manager with a no-mark, inexperienced yes-man. That's the decision that's taking us down, not sacking Allardyce.

Wrong as always.

There's an old maxim that if it ain't broke you don't fix it.

There was no reason to sack Sam - none whatsoever.