[Archived] Sam Allardyce Messiah or simply a good manager?

[tashor]

I've always been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of Mr. Sam Allardyce as the best possible manager of Rovers at the time that we appointed him...............

He ain't half a nasty piece of work though......

We moved on a long time ago - I only wish he would follow suit...

[47er]

I've always been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of Mr. Sam Allardyce as the best possible manager of Rovers at the time that we appointed him...............

He ain't half a nasty piece of work though......

We moved on a long time ago - I only wish he would follow suit...

When we have a good manager and finish top half, I'll feel we've finally moved on.

[den]

"The decision to terminate my contract was made well before they joined the club in my opinion because of how quickly I was removed once they took over."

Kinda pisses on the chips of those that use Sam's brand of football and the defeat at Old Trafford as the reason why Venky's got shut. Also re-opens the debate* about who actually got to Venky's about Sam.

* not that there's much debating to be done. It's been oh so obvious to me and others for a long time.

[RovertheHill]

"Only days to go before the start of the season"? Big deal, surely that's still much preferable to leaving mid season like plenty of managers do?

Didn't do Aston Villa any favours so yes, it generally is a big deal.

Given the recent spike in the number of people with "inside" knowledge of everything that happens in the club regarding Venky's and Kean I'm very surprised that this information wasn't posted last summer as some cryptic message

The hypocrisy on this site is getting worse. On the one hand Kean gets hammered because he accepted one of the top 20 jobs in UK football (and of course engineered getting the job as well) yet on the other it would be fair play if Allardyce had chased the oil money last summer.

Much like Mark Hughes and City, this just lowers the man in my estimation.

[Jimmy612]

Much like Mark Hughes and City, this just lowers the man in my estimation.

Did you begrudge Hughes that particular step forward in his managerial career, I certainly didn't after the job he had done here.

[tony gale's mic]

The hypocrisy on this site is getting worse. On the one hand Kean gets hammered because he accepted one of the top 20 jobs in UK football (and of course engineered getting the job as well) yet on the other it would be fair play if Allardyce had chased the oil money last summer.

Kean gets hammered because he's a rubbish manager. Some people think he definitely engineered getting the job and so call him out on that - it's certainly a plausible theory but unfortunately all we have is a load of circumstancial evidence so I personally wouldnt make a judgement on that.

If Sam wanted to go chase the oil money then if our club agreed to it then it would have been fair game. What wouldnt have been fair game was Allardyce kicking up a fuss while he was still under contract, or making comments in the media at the time which alluded to it.

Absolutely no hypocrisy there as far as I can tell. Just you getting things all wrong.

[bigbrandjohn]

Sam had plenty of support for the unceremonious way he was dumped, but those comments have hurt his brand and his standing. His obsession with rewriting history " I wasn't turned down by Blackburn, I withdrew from the race " springs to mind. So Sam not having the guts to walk away and let the clubs fight it out is his own stupid fault.

Glad to know that you didn't want to stay other than for a contract break which might have cost you a few bob.

[RovertheHill]

Kean gets hammered because he's a rubbish manager. Some people think he definitely engineered getting the job and so call him out on that - it's certainly a plausible theory but unfortunately all we have is a load of circumstancial evidence so I personally wouldnt make a judgement on that.

If Sam wanted to go chase the oil money then if our club agreed to it then it would have been fair game. What wouldnt have been fair game was Allardyce kicking up a fuss while he was still under contract, or making comments in the media at the time which alluded to it.

Absolutely no hypocrisy there as far as I can tell. Just you getting things all wrong.

Wrong? Yes Kean gets hammered because he's not a good manager but he also gets an unfair hammering for other things - like taking the job in the first place etc etc. That's the hypocrisy - what's slightly worrying is that you seemed to think it was directed at you. Do you have a complex?

And no Jimmy612 I don't begrudge Hughes (or any manager moving on) - but it still lowers them in my estimation. That's all.

[Jimmy612]

And no Jimmy612 I don't begrudge Hughes (or any manager moving on) - but it still lowers them in my estimation. That's all.

Why? I still have deep respect for Hughes and the terrific job he did at this club

[thenodrog]

i wanted him out...at the time and probably like the owners, i didnt expect us to become embroiled in a relegation scrap.

i dont miss him. his style of play, his interviews and his contempt for rovers fans. but thats been well documented on here, im not getting into that again.

providing rovers stay up, (which i still expect us to do) and appoint a high calibre manager for next season... the decision to sack him at rovers will be forgotten and we can move on.

It'll take relegation for some to learn their lesson it seems.

Also zacc we will not get a high calibre manager even if we sack Kean. We will get a Kentaro / SEM yes man and thats that. There is big money to be made by some if we stay up and BRFC is a long way down the list. Mrs rao is out of her depth and from the noises that I am hearing still trusts her advisors implicitly.

Like Gav, waggy, topman etc you simply are not able to see beyond the end of your nose.

[Steve Moss]

Why? I still have deep respect for Hughes and the terrific job he did at this club

Ditto. I think supporters forget that players and managers are competitors. They want to be no. 1, or as close to that as they can come. If they view the owners, fans, supporters, etc., as letting them down, they will move on to a more competitive team, if they are truly driven to win.

Its the owners, managers and players who will tolerate anything, even unnecessary relegation fights, which worry me. Is their objective to win or to collect a paycheck? I know which I prefer.

[thenodrog]

The guy asked to leave the club with only days to go before the start of the season, 10th place finishes don't come into it, he was leaving us in the s**t Jimmy simple as that.

As for evidence, the guy tells you himself, but was held to his contract, thats a darn site more evidence than the Kean stabbed me in the back cr@p.

Dalglish, Souness, Jim Smith, Gordon Lee, Howard Kendall, Ken Furphy have all left us. It's only like players who have a good season and use that to move onwards and upwards. There is little loyalty in football once one ventures over the wall and onto the pitch. BUT we sacked a very capable manager who was tailor made for a club like ours and replaced him with a manager that I'm damned sure will not ask to leave us and simply cos no other club chairman would ever ever want to take him on.

[thenodrog]

Didn't do Aston Villa any favours so yes, it generally is a big deal.

Given the recent spike in the number of people with "inside" knowledge of everything that happens in the club regarding Venky's and Kean I'm very surprised that this information wasn't posted last summer as some cryptic message

The hypocrisy on this site is getting worse. On the one hand Kean gets hammered because he accepted one of the top 20 jobs in UK football (and of course engineered getting the job as well) yet on the other it would be fair play if Allardyce had chased the oil money last summer.

Much like Mark Hughes and City, this just lowers the man in my estimation.

Are you new to supporting a professional football club RtH? Certainly sounds like it.

[Iceman]

really sad, that Sam has been having a go at the club since he left. He sounds very bitter at the moment, but I think he has said too much since his sacking.

[RovertheHill]

Are you new to supporting a professional football club RtH? Certainly sounds like it.

Well it's all relative but no, I don't think so. In fact I'm quite cynical about the professional game - still doesn't mean it's not a little disappointing though when stuff like this happens does it?

[davulsukur]

"The decision to terminate my contract was made well before they joined the club in my opinion because of how quickly I was removed once they took over."

Kinda pisses on the chips of those that use Sam's brand of football and the defeat at Old Trafford as the reason why Venky's got shut. Also re-opens the debate* about who actually got to Venky's about Sam.

* not that there's much debating to be done. It's been oh so obvious to me and others for a long time.

Or not, its only his opinion.

Bit dissapointed that Allardyce actually wanted out, but each to his own. Not too sure why he is so bitter at being sacked from a job he didn't even want anymore.

surely its time for Allardyce/Rovers headlines to be ended, he hasn't been our manager for months now.

[Parsonblue]

really sad, that Sam has been having a go at the club since he left. He sounds very bitter at the moment, but I think he has said too much since his sacking.

He's really only saying what many supporters are saying and believe. That a good manager was sacked for no other reason than his face didn't fit with the good lady in Pune while his replacement has been a disaster but is the perfect "Yes" man for Venkys and their friends at Kentaro. Sam's not the only one who is bitter. There are many long-time supporters who are bitter and angry at the way in which the club has been run since Venkys took over.

[John]

If I was Sam, I would be very bitter too.

[rovers_rob]

really sad, that Sam has been having a go at the club since he left. He sounds very bitter at the moment, but I think he has said too much since his sacking.

Couldn't agree more Iceman.

Sam was a good manager and he shouldn't have been sacked but I have heard numerous interviews on the radio and tv and he seems to be getting worse with his snidy smug bitchy comments about us and because of that he can sod of. I felt sorry for him before but now he is just getting on my nerves.

I heard an interview on talksport a couple of weeks ago and he was almost laughing at the fact we were in trouble.

It is obvious that most managers/players see us as a stepping stone to bigger and better things but don't forget that Sam was too quick to tell everyone how good of a manager he was and how small of a club we are and whether he is right or wrong as a rovers fan - I don't want to hear that.

[Jimmy612]

I heard an interview on talksport a couple of weeks ago and he was almost laughing at the fact we were in trouble.

You would be though wouldn't you, its a very good advert for how good he is at keeping teams steady in the Premier League. I bet he's desperate for Rovers to go down.

[MarkBRFC71]

It is obvious that most managers/players see us as a stepping stone to bigger and better things but don't forget that Sam was too quick to tell everyone how good of a manager he was and how small of a club we are and whether he is right or wrong as a rovers fan - I don't want to hear that.

Yep, he's THAT good a manager he's been passed over for every job in any half-decent league for the past 5 months, and has now resorted to hawking himself round footballing deserts (literal and metaphorical) like Qatar, Dubai etc.

Many people (fans and press) believed his self-promotion, bluster, hype and ego, but many also saw

him for what he really is - an average manager but nothing special ..... although far more capable than the current incumbent at Ewood!

[davulsukur]

You would be though wouldn't you, its a very good advert for how good he is at keeping teams steady in the Premier League. I bet he's desperate for Rovers to go down.

Maybe not relegated, i'm sure he is loving the fact that we are in trouble without him, but he surely made friends and got to know, alot of the staff around Ewood and i'm sure that despite how badly he was treated he wouldn't wish them to lose their jobs in order to make himself look a bit better.

If he actually wants us to go down then i would lose alot of respect for him.

[rovers_rob]

You would be though wouldn't you, its a very good advert for how good he is at keeping teams steady in the Premier League. I bet he's desperate for Rovers to go down.

He might be but as a rovers fan I'm not !!

[Gav]

If I was Sam, I would be very bitter too.

No you wouldn't, you'd be loving the big pay off John surely, and naming your next villa - Ewood Park.

[Jimmy612]

No you wouldn't, you'd be loving the big pay off John surely, and naming your next villa - Ewood Park.

I think once money was available (if it actually is or not) Allardyce would certainly have be much more interested in keeping this job. He never had a chance with financial backing, shame really because I think he would do ok. Managers never get long enough to build a team these days.