[Archived] Sam Allardyce Messiah or simply a good manager?

[yoda]

If he wanted to go and the club stopped him doing so - which incidently would have cost the club nothing financially. Then got sacked and then compensated - there can be nothing to be bitter about, imo.

Apart from the way it was done. If there was some backstabbing behind closed doors, that got him sacked. Then I can understand if he had bitterness to those who did it. But it obviously was not the club who did it. It appears Venkys decided to do it even before the takeover was completed. It was part of their original plan - which was also contary to the takeover offer document.

Would be nice to be in a job that I wanted to quit and was stopped doing so - then later sacked and then paid a handsome sum of dosh for having been sacked.

Been there and got the "T" shirt for that

nice lump sum to

[gumboots]

If he wanted to go and the club stopped him doing so - which incidently would have cost the club nothing financially. Then got sacked and then compensated - there can be nothing to be bitter about, imo.

Apart from the way it was done. If there was some backstabbing behind closed doors, that got him sacked. Then I can understand if he had bitterness to those who did it. But it obviously was not the club who did it. It appears Venkys decided to do it even before the takeover was completed. It was part of their original plan - which was also contary to the takeover offer document.

Would be nice to be in a job that I wanted to quit and was stopped doing so - then later sacked and then paid a handsome sum of dosh for having been sacked.

Well I can understand his being bitter even so if he thought he was going to get money to spend and had done a pretty good job without it, and then just as at least a moderate amount of cash comes through the door he goes out of it, regardless of whether there was back stabbing.

[thenodrog]

Bit dissapointed that Allardyce actually wanted out, but each to his own. Not too sure why he is so bitter at being sacked from a job he didn't even want anymore.

Pardon? Why are you disappointed? It's the way it is at BRFC. Always has been and always will be. Have you forgotten that every manager who has been any good since we've been in the Prem has wanted out but stayed on under contractual pressure from the club. It turned out that Dalglish did, Hughes did and Allardyce did. Sam's in damned good company. Please consider that none of these guys are from this area? So why should they be expected to hold the same loyalty to the club that we supporters do. It's just a job that all three are extremely good at.

Now compare that to the crap managers that we've had and how much it's cost us to get shot of them.

You should do a little lateral thinking Davul.

but many also saw him for what he really is - an average manager but nothing special ..... although far more capable than the current incumbent at Ewood!

Ah... Dr Jekyll I presume?

[chris]

Pardon? Why are you disappointed? It's the way it is at BRFC. Always has been and always will be. Have you forgotten that every manager who has been any good since we've been in the Prem has wanted out but stayed on under contractual pressure from the club. It turned out that Dalglish did, Hughes did and Allardyce did. Sam's in damned good company. Please consider that none of these guys are from this area? So why should they be expected to hold the same loyalty to the club that we supporters do. It's just a job that all three are extremely good at.

Now compare that to the crap managers that we've had and how much it's cost us to get shot of them.

You should do a little lateral thinking Davul.

Ah... Dr Jekyll I presume?

Souness, Hughes and Sam knew that it was difficult or near impossible to achieve anything with The Walkers Trust. Not only would our best players be sold but that money would NOT be available for investment.

I find it difficult to blame anyone for wanting to leave.

[thenodrog]

Come on Jimmy, he took the job on the understanding that he'd be working on a limited budget, then we get the takeover and funds are frozen, quite rightly so, and he tries to jump ship! That alone is reason in my book to sack the guy, he's hardly committed to the cause now is he?

See above. Ditto Dalglish, ditto Hughes. Almost exactly.

[davulsukur]

Seriously what? i'm not allowed to be a bit dissapointed that Allardyce wanted to leave? It's not like he was leaving us for bigger and better things, and he hadn't been here that long anyway, Hughes at least gave us 4 years.

[thenodrog]

Newcastle didn't want Hughes, Allardyce asked to leave, big difference.

Hughes asked to be given permission to interviewed. Why do you think he did that Gav?

Your feeble arguments are taking on ever increasing desperation.

[BuckyRover]

Oh come on now Bucky, do you expect us to believe you took a break because it was taking over your life pal

Its a little more likely that you made yourself look abit silly following your continued support of Allardyce being sacked. Not your fault, you just got it wrong. Everyone makes mistakes! Welcome back

I'm glad he was sacked and that his nefarious influence is no longer associated with the club. For that, I raise a glass to Ms Desai and praise her brave decision making. She made a decision that many said would cost her a lot of money, but it appears that it has paid off.

I don't congratulate her on her appointment of Kean, but you live and learn.

[greco]

Allardyce wanted to go. As I said, I heard it while ago, and he's said it himself. But for him to leave would have required him to break his contract therefore no pay off and we could presumably have made it awkward, or his potential new employers could have paid compensation and we'd have let him go. So presumably they weren't keen enough to pay the compensation we would have wanted and he wasn't quite keen enough on them to force our hand. Doesn't mean he didn't have a good moan about it or complain to friends or whoever, because most of us would have done. he's hardly likely to have gone to JW and said he wouldn't do his job properly if he wasn't allowed to go though is he?! As I said, I've no problem with his wanting to go - his right to look at other jobs just like the rest of us do, particularly if you feel you are being held back by lack of cash or whatever. However, I just wish he'd not brought it up at this moment as some sort of criticism of the club and the owners. He may be bitter about his sacking, but you'd think he'd have developed a bit of feeling for the club, even if not the current setup and would be hoping we'd survive in the premier league. His sacking presumably came with a decent payoff and he could have left out the implied criticism of the club in his comments.

are you ###### kidding me..? If sam wanted to force a move, he would have done so. No if´s or but´s and apparently he didnt want to. Some on this site thinks its a valid reason for critisizing him and if your not one of them, i have a hard time undertsanding, why the hell you answering for them. You are grossly underestimating player or manager power.

as you said to me, you dont hnow what happened behind closed doors, likewise you do not know, who made the rumours public. And lets not pretend, it was something that filled the gossip pages and created headlines. It was really only mentioned by nicko, so it wasnt something you exclusively knew.

[thenodrog]

I don't care what you said. Hughton did a superb job of rebuilding Newcastle, as Sam did with Rovers, and got booted by the owner in favour of their 'chosen one'. Yet I don't see Hughton popping up every two seconds to remind us what he would have achieved at Newcastle, or how he was planning to leave all along, anything to save face etc.

1. Quite probably cos no one's stuch a mic under his nose and asked his opinion. He's hardly pundit material is he?

2. Speculating on my part but he might easily have had a few bob more from Ashley to say nowt.

[Mayfield]

What is it with alot of Rovers fans hating on Allardyce constantly, as soon as an article comes out mentioning him people are constantly ripping into him and making up stuff about him it's childish and pathetic, he was a great manager for us so why don't people give him credit?

[thenodrog]

Allardyce asked to leave in the summer, so can have no complaints when they sacked him, because he wasn’t committed to the club, that’s a fact, simple as that. He changed his tune when Venkys offered to pay big wages and fund a few transfers though

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What makes you think that the Venkey mob were made aware of that? I'd say the Trust would have kept that well under their hat. In any discussion with any possible buyer Allardyce would have been seen as a major asset to the club. That is until Joan had her head turned by you know who.

all will become clear in the summer and as i have stated before... my stance will change if kean remains incharge.. and we start poorly.

Hindsight is for losers and thats that. Yet here you are placing great store in it.

Hope that clears things up for you You do seem to be struggling since you aligned yourself with with nodgob

More insults GAV? I know that you get angry when I regularly make you look stupid but you need to look in a mirror for the real culprit.

[chris]

Hughton as a manager just looked wrong, he is a coach.

[thenodrog]

I heard similar said about Newcastle when they were relegated "they are finished".

Look at them now.

I wasn't saying we were Newcastle.

A direct comparison all the same.

[thenodrog]

BUNKUM little nodgrod and you know it

Facts not fiction little nodrog

wtf you on about? Why do you keep referring to me? You seem bloody obsessed. 90% of the mboard thinks you are a cupid stunt and most say so, yet you keep having a sideswipe at me.

Oh and as for you calling someone little!!!

I'm glad he was sacked and that his nefarious influence is no longer associated with the club. For that, I raise a glass to Ms Desai and praise her brave decision making. She made a decision that many said would cost her a lot of money, but it appears that it has paid off.

I don't congratulate her on her appointment of Kean, but you live and learn.

Care to explain?

[John]

I'm glad he was sacked and that his nefarious influence is no longer associated with the club. For that, I raise a glass to Ms Desai and praise her brave decision making. She made a decision that many said would cost her a lot of money, but it appears that it has paid off.

Sounds like you are as delusional as our owners, what a very odd statement.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

90% of the mboard thinks you are a cupid stunt and most say so, yet you keep having a sideswipe at me.

When (and it is often) you demonstrate a stunning lack of self awareness I sometimes think "he cant possibly top that". Yet you do seem to keep managing it.

Fair play to you.

[A cup of beans]

Hindsight is for losers and thats that. Yet here you are placing great store in it.

so gordon.. or is it jimmy ? you are having a go at me for using hindsight... but you

you seem convinced kean will stay etc. so what are you using to look into the future.. a crystal ball ?

all will become clear.

[47er]

I'm glad he was sacked and that his nefarious influence is no longer associated with the club. For that, I raise a glass to Ms Desai and praise her brave decision making. She made a decision that many said would cost her a lot of money, but it appears that it has paid off.

I don't congratulate her on her appointment of Kean, but you live and learn.

How on earth does it "appear to have paid off"? If you are referring to avoiding relegation--------we haven't last time I looked! As I've said elsewhere, no room for over-confidence on the back of 1 win in 3 months. Last chance saloon for West Ham tomorrow.

In any case what sort of a bench-mark achievement is that for a club which looked certain to finish way clear of that nefarious zone? Almost certainly top half.

If we get out of it we've just about survived by the skin of our teeth. That's not a decision paying off.

That's a reckless gamble with our Club.

[chris]

How on earth does it "appear to have paid off"? If you are referring to avoiding relegation--------we haven't last time I looked! As I've said elsewhere, no room for over-confidence on the back of 1 win in 3 months. Last chance saloon for West Ham tomorrow.

In any case what sort of a bench-mark achievement is that for a club which looked certain to finish way clear of that nefarious zone? Almost certainly top half.

If we get out of it we've just about survived by the skin of our teeth. That's not a decision paying off.

That's a reckless gamble with our Club.

but it has paid off just because you p1$$ed about the losing too much, so am I.

But it has paid off, they wanted ride of Sam, they wanted to stay up, they want a big signing and to invest, they want to be judged in a year.

To them staying is acceptable and in the summer to progress starts.

This is what I have collected from their interivews recently.

They were not the reason we had Benjani, Roberts and Kalinic as our best strikers that all came from the old regime.

[John]

but it has paid off just because you p1$$ed about the losing too much, so am I.

But it has paid off, they wanted ride of Sam, they wanted to stay up

They wanted top 10 this season did they not? Or was it mid table or the top 5, you never know because they have continously contradicted themselves and know nothing about football (hence relying on their expert football "advisors" to run the show and make the decisions).

[47er]

What makes you think that the Venkey mob were made aware of that? I'd say the Trust would have kept that well under their hat. In any discussion with any possible buyer Allardyce would have been seen as a major asset to the club. That is until Joan had her head turned by you know who.

Hindsight is for losers and thats that. Yet here you are placing great store in it.

More insults GAV? I know that you get angry when I regularly make you look stupid but you need to look in a mirror for the real culprit.

"Absolutely fantastic decision and great timing also"-------Little Gav's judgement on Sam's sacking.

That's why the insults-----a lame attempt to cover up the most stupid post he ever lied about!

[A cup of beans]

wtf you on about? Why do you keep referring to me? You seem bloody obsessed. 90% of the mboard thinks you are a cupid stunt and most say so, yet you keep having a sideswipe at me.

haha what a hypocrit... "someone is obsessed and keeps having a sideswipe at me!"

you of all people! haha

where's my violin ??? haha

what would you call your insults, gordon ?

as for gav being obsessed. maybe you should stop trolling his posts, knowing full well he has you on ignore,

calm down ... or you're going to do yourself a mischief

[Mattyblue]

I'm glad he was sacked and that his nefarious influence is no longer associated with the club. For that, I raise a glass to Ms Desai and praise her brave decision making. She made a decision that many said would cost her a lot of money, but it appears that it has paid off.

I don't congratulate her on her appointment of Kean, but you live and learn.

It was a a reckless gamble that could STILL cost us everything.

Once again dislike of Sam Allardyce over love of BRFC.

[47er]

but it has paid off just because you p1$$ed about the losing too much, so am I.

But it has paid off, they wanted ride of Sam, they wanted to stay up, they want a big signing and to invest, they want to be judged in a year.

To them staying is acceptable and in the summer to progress starts.

This is what I have collected from their interivews recently.

They were not the reason we had Benjani, Roberts and Kalinic as our best strikers that all came from the old regime.

So we're safe from relegation? I didn't know! I thought we still had 3 very difficult games.

And you know their aim all along was to stay up? I didn't know that either