[Archived] PROTEST!

[XLM]

So on the basis of being angry you decided to post the exact opposite to his last 2 paragraphs and declare your hatred for our "crap" fans instead? Nice to see logic plays a large part in your posts. Still don't see how you know Venkys will ignore any protests and definitely keep Kean. No pressure has yet been put on them this season to do anything different so who knows what their reaction will be? City should beat us regardless so having a remote chance of sacrificing a point by upsetting the players a bit (I doubt they'll play any different) for one game of some angry complaining in order to get Kean out and give us a much better chance in the 3 winnable games after that doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

We could beat City, at home when they could have FA Cup hangover.

It's not the point anyway. And I'm not getting into an arguement about your ability to read. But properly read my posts before you make stupid comments about what I've said. Go back and read it, then either reply to that or kindly knob off.

[TimmyJimmy]

Waiting until the end of the season to protest is the only thing more pointless than protesting now.

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If we go down it will be too late.

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But Jisty that's the point isn't it - too late for what?

There's nothing that can be done in the remaining games. No cavalry is going to come charging over the hill. No new manager is going to be found to dig us out of this one.

We've drawn all our cards now and this is the hand we have to play to the best of out ability. There is nothing to be accomplished by venting steam now or railing against the unfairness of it all. The best we can do is play the hand we have and try to bluff our way through. We need to convince the players that they are good enough not that they are a bunch of work-shy disgraces.

[booth]

Well I'll tell you what I think that will do..............It will simply cause massive disruption and total loss of morale amongst all the players; and just at a time when they need to feel that ALL the supporters are behind them. It simply wont work to try and have them believe that we are only against Steve Kean. It is simply not in human nature to make that kind of distinction at a time like this. They (the players) NEED to fell that everyone is pulling together in the same direction and that has to be without exception.

You're a bit behind Fife, there's already massive disruption and total loss of morale amongst the players.

If you think for one moment the players believe the fans are behind Steve Kean you are kidding yourself.

There's nothing anyone can do to make the players think everyone's pulling together. Not when we've got Kean + Venky's in the equation. Our fans have been immense just recently, especially with all things considered. Even attendances are up. Sadly it hasn't made one jot of difference.

[XLM]

Then in that case XLM,we as supporters,should know better than to fiddle while Ewood burns.

Ignore what I've been saying then why don't you. All that can happen is negative to the club. I don't care what the effect is for the manager or the owners, the effect on the club can only be bad and that is far from what we need.

[blue_and_white]

We could beat City, at home when they could have FA Cup hangover.

It's not the point anyway. And I'm not getting into an arguement about your ability to read. But properly read my posts before you make stupid comments about what I've said. Go back and read it, then either reply to that or kindly knob off.

How could we possibly beat City at home when we're currently struggling to draws against Blackpool and Birmingham, 2 of the worst teams in the league apart from us? Its these deluded, head in the sand predictions that have delayed most of our fans into only panicking after Everton, when we should have been doing it about a month ago. I've heard all manner of ridiculously optimistic reasons for why we can get points against Everton, City and Man U and none of them wash. Assuming the 4th best team in the league with the most expensive squad in the world might struggle because they've played an FA Cup game in the last 2 weeks is nonsensical. Assuming we might beat them even if they do struggle when we haven't won since January is nonsensical. Our result against Arsenal was the most miraculous thing I've ever witnessed from an incompetent, talentless moron like Kean but it was akin to buying a ticket and winning the lottery, a fluke, and it was against a team who drew with free-falling Sunderland at home the week before.

You said you hated our crap fans, I suggest you go back and read it or edit it so it says something different if you wanna present an alternative argument. Thanks for your customary offensive remark by the way, was getting a bit jealous that I hadn't received one yet.

[Stuart]

TJ my logic is that we need 4 points. Write off the City game and we have two weeks to get a proper manager in who might get those points in the remaining games.

It's a long shot, yes, but with Kean it's an empty barrel.

But as you say, it ain't going to happen is it? Doesn't make me feel any less angry though.

Btw, we don't even have the option to bluff. Kean's been found out. Everyone knows our game.

May as well promote a player manager at this stage. Couldn't be any worse. Someone phone up El Hadj - at least he might be able to call on Sam for some pointers! Even Andrews would probably be a better option as manager! (Ok now I'm being silly, wonder why his name popped into my head).

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Your totally missing my piont XLM.

Support the lads during the game,infact lets take the roof off Ewood but after lets make our point known to the 'loons in pune' (nice one Theno!)that we are not happy at how they are running the club,let the media and press be aware,and lets see (HOPEFULLY ) some responce from Venky's as opposed to the present deafening silence....is that action negative? should we be frightened to ask our masters?

WE AS FANS CARE.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Our fans have been immense just recently, especially with all things considered. Even attendances are up. Sadly it hasn't made one jot of difference.

Too damn right they have Booth,but to some 'fifth columists' we're 'crap'....blame the fans.

I've heard it all on here now.

[pick32]

Its too late to replace Kean now there is only one other person who knows the squad and could save us from the drop and thats Big Sam and I cant see that happening. Hughes may be able to do it as he has worked with Samba, Nelsen, Emerton, Pedersen, Dunn, Santa Cruz and Olson before.

[onlyonejackwalker]

How could we possibly beat City at home when we're currently struggling to draws against Blackpool and Birmingham, 2 of the worst teams in the league apart from us? Its these deluded, head in the sand predictions that have delayed most of our fans into only panicking after Everton, when we should have been doing it about a month ago. I've heard all manner of ridiculously optimistic reasons for why we can get points against Everton, City and Man U and none of them wash. Assuming the 4th best team in the league with the most expensive squad in the world might struggle because they've played an FA Cup game in the last 2 weeks is nonsensical. Assuming we might beat them even if they do struggle when we haven't won since January is nonsensical. Our result against Arsenal was the most miraculous thing I've ever witnessed from an incompetent, talentless moron like Kean but it was akin to buying a ticket and winning the lottery, a fluke, and it was against a team who drew with free-falling Sunderland at home the week before.

You said you hated our crap fans, I suggest you go back and read it or edit it so it says something different if you wanna present an alternative argument. Thanks for your customary offensive remark by the way, was getting a bit jealous that I hadn't received one yet.

Well said Blue and White. There is nowt so common as common sense!

[XLM]

Your totally missing my piont XLM.

Support the lads during the game,infact lets take the roof off Ewood but after lets make our point known to the 'loons in pune' (nice one Theno!)that we are not happy at how they are running the club,let the media and press be aware,and lets see (HOPEFULLY ) some responce from Venky's as opposed to the present deafening silence....is that action negative? should we be frightened to ask our masters?

WE AS FANS CARE.

I cannot honestly see both being able to happen. It's one or the other. Negativity is contagious in the same way that positivity is. Its part of the make up people, it's all down to group bonding from our time as apes. Facts are facts. Fair play if that is your intention, I don't think it is worth the risk because there is far more to lose than could be gained.

Too damn right they have Booth,but to some 'fifth columists' we're 'crap'....blame the fans.

I've heard it all on here now.

My intention is to change people's perspective, not to undermine anything. In fact, I'm trying to stop people being "fifth columnist".

How could we possibly beat City at home when we're currently struggling to draws against Blackpool and Birmingham, 2 of the worst teams in the league apart from us? Its these deluded, head in the sand predictions that have delayed most of our fans into only panicking after Everton, when we should have been doing it about a month ago. I've heard all manner of ridiculously optimistic reasons for why we can get points against Everton, City and Man U and none of them wash. Assuming the 4th best team in the league with the most expensive squad in the world might struggle because they've played an FA Cup game in the last 2 weeks is nonsensical. Assuming we might beat them even if they do struggle when we haven't won since January is nonsensical. Our result against Arsenal was the most miraculous thing I've ever witnessed from an incompetent, talentless moron like Kean but it was akin to buying a ticket and winning the lottery, a fluke, and it was against a team who drew with free-falling Sunderland at home the week before.

You said you hated our crap fans, I suggest you go back and read it or edit it so it says something different if you wanna present an alternative argument. Thanks for your customary offensive remark by the way, was getting a bit jealous that I hadn't received one yet.

How is hating our fans an opposing arguement to the one you were comparing it against? They can't be compared, they aren't about the same thing. You're talking rubbish.

And why is a result against City so outlandish? I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen and it has far less of a chance if we all needlessly get on the manager's (and by proxy the players') back.

There really is no point in people reading what I write if you don't understand it:

> Nothing good can come from a protest.

> If Kean goes, who the hell would take over? Jensen?! More harm than good.

> Negativity breeds more negativity, the players need supporting, the CLUB needs supporting. You give support in the hour of need.

> The Rovers fans wanting to protest are not thinking straight, or are selfishly looking to force blame before it is due. So are crap.

> Complain when all that can be gained is positive, if you want rid, do it when the season is over and our future is secure.

> I believe that our own fans could drag us down. And that sickens me.

Thats where I stand and where I have stood from the off. So if you can't take it in in list format then I really don't think you've left me anywhere to go, short of lasering it to your retina.

[Iceman]

Kean is useless!

[Mattyblue]

Ok XLM, we go down, we start to protest then do we?

Who is going to listen?

This fantastic football club has been brought to its knees in 3 months. I am not advocating a protest before or during the City match- would be crazy to arrange such a thing. But after? I see no harm, none of this is aimed at the players.

[AggyBlue]

Ignore what I've been saying then why don't you.

Good idea, you're on the list

[XLM]

Ok XLM, we go down, we start to protest then do we?

Who is going to listen?

This fantastic football club has been brought to its knees in 3 months. I am not advocating a protest before or during the City match- would be crazy to arrange such a thing. But after? I see no harm, none of this is aimed at the players.

After is better, but it still isn't the point. Nothing can be achieved now that couldn't be achieved in the summer. I know it wouldn't be aimed at the players but it would have an effect on them, in hard times you pull together. That's all there is to it, grit your teeth and do your bit. Play hell over summer, Venky's will probably be more involved then anyway... Transfers. That's what they care about.

[broadsword]

What could you do over the summer? I guess you could wait for pre-season friendlies?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

> The Rovers fans wanting to protest are not thinking straight, or are selfishly looking to force blame before it is due. So are crap.

So the fans of Liverpool,Utd,Newcastle all 'crap' because they chose to voice their opinion in protest at the way their respective clubs were being run?.I respect your right to opinion XLM but taking that 'crap' stance makes zero sense to me and is an equally selfish one in its own right.Once again,its our duty as supporters to have our say and be listened to regarding the running of Rovers who generations of fans have supported from the very start.

[XLM]

So the fans of Liverpool,Utd,Newcastle all 'crap' because they chose to voice their opinion in protest at the way their respective clubs were being run?.I respect your right to opinion XLM but taking that 'crap' stance makes zero sense to me.

I said it before, I was just explaining why I said it there.

United and Liverpool protests achieved nothing with regards to the owners (not sure if Liverpool fans protested to get rid of Hodgeson, but still that was at the New Year, not 5 games from the end), and Newcastle fans are almost certainly the most irrationally emotional fans in the land.

@Bryan; you can still protest over summer, just need to pick your time. The players, managing staff and owners don't live at the ground during the season either. It would still need planning (unless it was matchday, which like I said; would be moronic).

[Glenn]

I admire his business mind because he knows some d*cks will buy them.

XLM has it spot on. Amen

I even hedged my bets by creating an equal number of pro as anti ones

[onlyonejackwalker]

I cannot honestly see both being able to happen. It's one or the other. Negativity is contagious in the same way that positivity is. Its part of the make up people, it's all down to group bonding from our time as apes. Facts are facts. Fair play if that is your intention, I don't think it is worth the risk because there is far more to lose than could be gained.

My intention is to change people's perspective, not to undermine anything. In fact, I'm trying to stop people being "fifth columnist".

How is hating our fans an opposing arguement to the one you were comparing it against? They can't be compared, they aren't about the same thing. You're talking rubbish.

And why is a result against City so outlandish? I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen and it has far less of a chance if we all needlessly get on the manager's (and by proxy the players') back.

There really is no point in people reading what I write if you don't understand it:

> Nothing good can come from a protest.

> If Kean goes, who the hell would take over? Jensen?! More harm than good.

> Negativity breeds more negativity, the players need supporting, the CLUB needs supporting. You give support in the hour of need.

> The Rovers fans wanting to protest are not thinking straight, or are selfishly looking to force blame before it is due. So are crap.

> Complain when all that can be gained is positive, if you want rid, do it when the season is over and our future is secure.

> I believe that our own fans could drag us down. And that sickens me.

Thats where I stand and where I have stood from the off. So if you can't take it in in list format then I really don't think you've left me anywhere to go, short of lasering it to your retina.

Let me see whether I can 'take it' in list format. Oh dear. You think you are intellectually above everyone else?

I might write my reply in 'very small letters for you without punctuation' to see if you get it at last.

1) Nothing good can come from a protest! Are you the Oracle? If Kean is removed then some good has immediately come of it. You will argue that won't happen. Says who? You? Ermm, not good enough for me.

2) If Kean goes.....What you palpably and inexplicably fail to understand is that the whole club is divided. The whole club and it has been for weeks. But you don't understand this as you keep believing the little sound bites eminating from the players that all is ok, although conclusive evidence on match-days tells the actual truth. Therefore by removing Kean, and even before employing anyone else, the club will be united once more and this is the single biggest thing we could do to assist the club. Be united. I am sure you agree as you have said we all need to be behind the club many times. However, I know for a fact that won't happen whilst Kean is here, but you strangely believe it still possible. Remove Kean and it will immediately happen. What is hard to understand about that?

3) The players have been supported for 16 matches under Kean even though many of those fans did not want him anywhere near our club. Negativity breeds negativity? Oh dear, amateur physcologist at work.

4) Not thinking straight or apportion blame before it is due? Fans are crap? What is this tosh? 14 points from 48 and impending relegation. Before it is due? Kean is lucky to have got this far. If I was in charge he would never have got the job, but if in possession, would have gone after Wigan away. This is not some rush, hatchet job, the guy has been a dead man walking for weeks. I am all for being positive, but being stupid rankles with me, but obviously not with you. You are not thinking straight believing all is going ever so well and actually believing that carrying on exactly as we have been doing is beneficial.

5) Complain at the end of the season if you want to when our future is secure? What is this baloney all about? What good what that do if already relegated? Excuse me Mrs Desai I would like to complain that we are now in the Championship?

6) You believe the fans could drag us down? Down where? We are falling dramatically each week in case you had not noticed. Obviously even you will note that this has not been the fans fault as there has been no protests to date, so who are you blaming for the amazing fall down the league table and lack of points gained? The tea-lady?

If you wish to change people's perspective may I suggest two things.

1) Consider your words before posting and talk more sense.

2) Write in such a way as to avoid looking pretentious and condescending.

Apologies if my paragraphs defeat you. Your lists are amazing, not sure if others will cope or understand. I wish them all the best trying to keep up wtih you intellectually.

[blue_and_white]

And why is a result against City so outlandish? I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen and it has far less of a chance if we all needlessly get on the manager's (and by proxy the players') back.

There really is no point in people reading what I write if you don't understand it:

> Nothing good can come from a protest. - Kean could get sacked, thats good.

> If Kean goes, who the hell would take over? Jensen?! More harm than good. - Anyone, get your cheque book out Venkys, £100k per game and £500k bonus for keeping us up. If that fails, Bobby Mimms, if that fails, David Fevre. But yeah no Jensen and not anyone else Anderson has plucked out of the SEM funny farm and given a job for their ability to smile and nod at the same time.

> Negativity breeds more negativity, the players need supporting, the CLUB needs supporting. You give support in the hour of need. - Just giving them support isn't working. At this point it is not realistic to claim we'll stay up. Extrapolating Kean's results over the next 5 games would produce a draw against Bolton and 4 defeats.

> The Rovers fans wanting to protest are not thinking straight, or are selfishly looking to force blame before it is due. So are crap. - So basically they're crap because they don't agree with you?

> Complain when all that can be gained is positive, if you want rid, do it when the season is over and our future is secure. - As I said, I think we're down. With Birmingham went our last easy game. All that can be gained by protesting is positive as it can't get any worse

> I believe that our own fans could drag us down. And that sickens me. - Kean has dragged us down.

Thats where I stand and where I have stood from the off. So if you can't take it in in list format then I really don't think you've left me anywhere to go, short of lasering it to your retina. - Yeah, or you could brainwash me. Or feed me mind-altering drugs. There has to be some way for my opinion to become like yours so I can cease being crap. Think damnit, think!

[broadsword]

@Bryan; you can still protest over summer, just need to pick your time. The players, managing staff and owners don't live at the ground during the season either. It would still need planning (unless it was matchday, which like I said; would be moronic).

I must have a poor imagination, what sort of protest could you mount in close season that would make the club's hierarchy sit up and take notice?

I concede that rotesting during the game, whilst hurting Venky's, would also hurt the club. Not even if we went 3-0 down (don't want to demoralise the players and make them concede more).

However, I see nothing wrong with sticking in the boot after the game.

[XLM]

Let me see whether I can 'take it' in list format. Oh dear. You think you are intellectually above everyone else?

I might write my reply in 'very small letters for you without punctuation' to see if you get it at last.

1) Nothing good can come from a protest! Are you the Oracle? If Kean is removed then some good has immediately come of it. You will argue that won't happen. Says who? You? Ermm, not good enough for me.

2) If Kean goes.....What you palpably and inexplicably fail to understand is that the whole club is divided. The whole club and it has been for weeks. But you don't understand this as you keep believing the little sound bites eminating from the players that all is ok, although conclusive evidence on match-days tells the actual truth. Therefore by removing Kean, and even before employing anyone else, the club will be united once more and this is the single biggest thing we could do to assist the club. Be united. I am sure you agree as you have said we all need to be behind the club many times. However, I know for a fact that won't happen whilst Kean is here, but you strangely believe it still possible. Remove Kean and it will immediately happen. What is hard to understand about that?

3) The players have been supported for 16 matches under Kean even though many of those fans did not want him anywhere near our club. Negativity breeds negativity? Oh dear, amateur physcologist at work.

4) Not thinking straight or apportion blame before it is due? Fans are crap? What is this tosh? 14 points from 48 and impending relegation. Before it is due? Kean is lucky to have got this far. If I was in charge he would never have got the job, but if in possession, would have gone after Wigan away. This is not some rush, hatchet job, the guy has been a dead man walking for weeks. I am all for being positive, but being stupid rankles with me, but obviously not with you. You are not thinking straight believing all is going ever so well and actually believing that carrying on exactly as we have been doing is beneficial.

5) Complain at the end of the season if you want to when our future is secure? What is this baloney all about? What good what that do if already relegated? Excuse me Mrs Desai I would like to complain that we are now in the Championship?

6) You believe the fans could drag us down? Down where? We are falling dramatically each week in case you had not noticed. Obviously even you will note that this has not been the fans fault as there has been no protests to date, so who are you blaming for the amazing fall down the league table and lack of points gained? The tea-lady?

If you wish to change people's perspective may I suggest two things.

1) Consider your words before posting and talk more sense.

2) Write in such a way as to avoid looking pretentious and condescending.

Apologies if my paragraphs defeat you. Your lists are amazing, not sure if others will cope or understand. I wish them all the best trying to keep up wtih you intellectually.

You mock and yet still don't get it. I can only play the hand dealt to me.

Kean is doing a bad job, I've not been saying otherwise. I'm also not saying everything will be rosy if we sit back and do nothing, I'm saying we could be going down, we could be staying up. Nothing is written in the stars because Kean is here. What a load of absolute turd.

You call me niaive for thinking that the fans can make a difference in a positive manner, but you assume that Kean goes and BAM problem solved.

I meant that blame should be reserved until after the season finishes. We're in too deep now, there is no changing what we have for the rest of the season, so we have to do our best with it.

I can't help but come of as seeming like I've got a stick up my arse if people won't read my posts. The blame and crap things in my last post were a tad ambiguous granted, but the rest wasn't. There's nothing more frustrating than a discussion needlessly going round in circles because I have to say the same thing over and over again.

Amateur psychologist, pah. There's far more to be gained and understood from the actions of the many rather than the individual. It's a bit of wasted effort, in other words.

@Bryan; like I said a protest after the game would be significantly less damaging. But still just encompasses the wrong attitude to the situation.

[Rover & Out]

Fulham (Away): Hanley Penalty = -1 Point

Blackpool (Home): Nelsen Penalty = -2 Points

Birmingham (Home): Bowyer Offside = -2 Points

Baring 3 very poor decisions in a short space of time, we would be sat in 9th place on 40 points, and with an outside chance of Europe.

I'm not using this to defend Kean in any way but I wonder how his performance as manager would have been viewed had this been the case.

It just goes to show how small the margins are in the Premiership.

[Andy]

Nothing can be achieved now that couldn't be achieved in the summer.

Are you being serious or playing Devil's Advocate?

If nothing is changed we face a very uncertain summer ahead of Championship football (if there is indeed still a club to compete by then).

Changing the manager now and even putting Ryan Nelsen in charge, for example, would shake up the current slum and at the very least give us a fighting chance of getting enough points.

Right now we don't look like picking up 2 points before May 22nd, never mind the 6/7/8 we need.

I put this in another thread - the crux of the situation is this:

Keep Kean = certain relegation.

Sack Kean = fighting chance of survival.