[Archived] Andy Cryer - Brown noser or true blue?

[my_name_is_Earl]

Last night this comment appeared on Andy Cryer's twitter page:

"Before I sign off for the night,I totally understand everyone's concerns, but nothing is changing until at least the summer whatever you do"

I believe this statement exposes Andy Cryer as a failure to every Rovers fan who has genuine concerns. Our local journo should be getting the fans messages across, not putting water on any protest regardless of what he/she believes. The fact is most Rovers fans clearly want Kean out and this comment demonstrates his absolute failure to adequately expose the true feelings of the fans and get behind them as the local newspaper should do.

Further to that is Andy Cryer a true blue or is he more concerned about his career and appeasing someone at Rovers?

Please feel free to pull my opinion apart...

[Mattyblue]

He's a Bristol City fan, so no he's not a true blue, just a journalist covering BRFC.

However, the way the LT had gone about it's coverage recently has been appalling. Reads like a daily press release from Paul Agnew.

[Kamy100]

Andy Cryer cares a great deal about what happens to the club, yes it is his job to report on going on at Rovers but he does care about what is happening at Ewood. I am sure if there is a protest then he and the LT will cover it. If you look back when Sam was sacked the Andy and the LT were critical of the decision and the same when JW left.

Andy is most likely talking to the same PR people at Venky's that we (brfcs) are talking to, and the message that is coming out is that the owners are behind Kean and no change is going to be made at this stage of the season, hence Andy comment about nothing changing until the summer whatever fans do.

[my_name_is_Earl]

He's a Bristol City fan, so no he's not a true blue, just a journalist covering BRFC.

However, the way the LT had gone about it's coverage recently has been appalling. Reads like a daily press release from Paul Agnew.

Well that's just shocking. Surely the local press reporter should HAVE to be a fan as they are more likely to understand the fan's concerns and report stories with a bit of emotion. It's no wonder his articles are so boring and, quite frankly, flat. Very disappointing indeed.

[BangkokRover]

No mater what Andy Cryer does he gets pounded. Give the guy a break.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Andy Cryer cares a great deal about what happens to the club, yes it is his job to report on going on at Rovers but he does care about what is happening at Ewood. I am sure if there is a protest then he and the LT will cover it. If you look back when Sam was sacked the Andy and the LT were critical of the decision and the same when JW left.

Andy is most likely talking to the same PR people at Venky's that we (brfcs) are talking to, and the message that is coming out is that the owners are behind Kean and no change is going to be made at this stage of the season, hence Andy comment about nothing changing until the summer whatever fans do.

Fair point Kamy but that kind of defeatist attitude by Cryer is not what Rovers fans want to hear and it isn't fact, just opinion. Who knows what Venky's will do?!

Just out of interest Kamy, as someone who has connections at Ewood, do you push forth the views of BRFC's fans? And if so, how are your connections responding to what the fans are clearly feeling right now?

Cheers

[Kamy100]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners. However, it appears that whatever is said on here, it doesn't really have any effect on the decision making process of the owners. So for example it is clear from the Poll that the vast majority of BRFCS members want Kean sacked as manager, but the owners believe the opposite.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

[RevidgeBlue]

I've criticised Andy Cryer in the past but it's ridiculous to have a pop at him for not being a Rovers fan originally. It's completely irrelevant whether he is or isnt, he's a journalist doing a job.

Surprised no-one has picked up on the fact that he says "Nothing is changing until at least the summer."

That rather implies there WILL be changes made in sunmmer if it all goes tits up. (or maybe even if we survive)

[broadsword]

People have to understand these guys are unique,

Well, that's a relief of sorts.

[my_name_is_Earl]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners. However, it appears that whatever is said on here, it doesn't really have any effect on the decision making process of the owners. So for example it is clear from the Poll that the vast majority of BRFCS members want Kean sacked as manager, but the owners believe the opposite.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

Cheers for the reply Kamy.

If what you say is correct, the owners will refuse to the listen to the fans at their own peril. I'm not strong enough to be able to withdraw from Rovers myself so I kind of feel emotionally blackmailed by the owners as they know someone like myself will follow them regardless of situation. However, there are many, many glory fans amongst us who don't feel the same way and they will quite quickly 'pull out', if that's the best phrase to use. In that case, we are going backwards, as a club, at an immense rate!

Just another quick question Kamy, have they spoken about how they will support the club if we go down? I know there has been lots of pieces said here and there but do you have any inclination towards the truth at all?

[Kelbo]

Well that's just shocking. Surely the local press reporter should HAVE to be a fan as they are more likely to understand the fan's concerns and report stories with a bit of emotion. It's no wonder his articles are so boring and, quite frankly, flat. Very disappointing indeed.

Robbie Savage was a Wrexham fan, Shearer was a Toon fan but they cared for our club when they played for us, Andy is a Sports journalist and goes where the job takes him, reports on the goings on at Ewood and think he does a good job in the main, remember, he has to keep his contacts and cant be too severe or he will not get the information.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners. However, it appears that whatever is said on here, it doesn't really have any effect on the decision making process of the owners. So for example it is clear from the Poll that the vast majority of BRFCS members want Kean sacked as manager, but the owners believe the opposite.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

Well you're right there, they are unique. I've been watching football for 50 years and I don't remember a major club having such inept owners ! What are the F.A. doing ? Fiddling whilst Rome burns ? They're not even fiddling !

[Baz]

Last night this comment appeared on Andy Cryer's twitter page:

"Before I sign off for the night,I totally understand everyone's concerns, but nothing is changing until at least the summer whatever you do"

I believe this statement exposes Andy Cryer as a failure to every Rovers fan who has genuine concerns. Our local journo should be getting the fans messages across, not putting water on any protest regardless of what he/she believes. The fact is most Rovers fans clearly want Kean out and this comment demonstrates his absolute failure to adequately expose the true feelings of the fans and get behind them as the local newspaper should do.

Further to that is Andy Cryer a true blue or is he more concerned about his career and appeasing someone at Rovers?

Please feel free to pull my opinion apart...

Surely he's only reporting what he knows?

How good or bad the LET is now, as compared to 20 years ago has nothing to do with that comment.

The role the LET has taken is to maintain a good relationship with the club and use that to get the inside stories and facts. The alternative is to go the way of other local newspapers such as Alan Oliver in the Newcastle Chronicle who continually criticises the club and stirs up the locals into making stupid decisions - he was chief criticiser of Big Sam up there, and has done the same to several other managers including Chris Hougton.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners. However, it appears that whatever is said on here, it doesn't really have any effect on the decision making process of the owners. So for example it is clear from the Poll that the vast majority of BRFCS members want Kean sacked as manager, but the owners believe the opposite.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

Then our club really is in the hands of amatuers and ignoramuses...what other business does not listen to the views of its customers?

The fans ARE the lifeblood of this club and their opinions should count.

Disgusted and angry

[PAFELL]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners. However, it appears that whatever is said on here, it doesn't really have any effect on the decision making process of the owners. So for example it is clear from the Poll that the vast majority of BRFCS members want Kean sacked as manager, but the owners believe the opposite.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

Would be nice to try and find a way of doing that.

Well that's just shocking. Surely the local press reporter should HAVE to be a fan as they are more likely to understand the fan's concerns and report stories with a bit of emotion. It's no wonder his articles are so boring and, quite frankly, flat. Very disappointing indeed.

That is like saying every owner of Rovers should be born and bred in Blackburn or localish to the area. would be nice if it could be achieved - but unless we have somebody with mega bucks locally, then it will never happen.

Andy Cryer is doing his job. What team he supports is totally irelavant. When any of us go for a job interview or interview somebody for a job, do we take into consideration what team they support? So why should the LET.

[Mattyblue]

Before the Internet and Sky, the Telegrsph had a vital role as it was our only source for Rovets news, so if a player picked up an injury or the manager spoke to the press at training- that's where you would read about it.

Now, we are just hearing guff from Kean and club news we've read and heard from about ten different outlets already.

If it doesn't do investigative and hard hitting journalism that looks for answers, what's the point?

[PAFELL]

Before the Internet and Sky, the Telegrsph had a vital role as it was our only source for Rovets news, so if a player picked up an injury or the manager spoke to the press at training- that's where you would read about it.

Now, we are just hearing guff from Kean and club news we've read and heard from about ten different outlets already.

If it doesn't do investigative and hard hitting journalism that looks for answers, what's the point?

Ok another slant is that Nicko works for a national newspaper - why does he not voice the concern of the supporters on here? Maybe a simular reason as the LET have - whatever that is.

[dcbrfc]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, as a colleague of Andy's I know he does care a great deal about the club and does a cracking job as a club reporter.

If you think he just panders to Kean every week, read tomorrow's match review.

[ABBEY]

On behlaf of this website I have on many occasions made the representatives of the owners aware of the views of the membership. There are senior Venky's representatives who check the forum on a very regular basis and feedback to the owners.

People have to understand these guys are unique, in that I personally believe that no matter what the fans say or do, it will have little or no effect on the decision making of the owners. The only thing that would is negative press within India.

OK in my personal opinion its not overeacting by the fans ,these venky buffoons are like kean,TOTALLY out of their depth and all the talk of maradonna ,riquelme,ronnydeeeennnneono and all the other propaganda bull s@@@ they come out with have made them and our club a total laughing stock.They sack Sam(not arsed by that) but replace him with a novice which is truly baffling.They are never at matches (why buy a club if you are not going to attend) ,i bet im not on my own where i have a feeling a lot of players,traing ground ,even ewood could all be sold and NONE of it reinvested ....MY MESSAGE TO VENKYS meet up with memebers of this forum if you are so keen on it and listen to what fans have to say over a vindaloo if if you want.Im available

negative indian press? send us some links to indian papers and we can bombard them.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEY SAID LOL....ONLY WAY THE VENKYS WILL SEE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IS ON FIFA12!

[Mattyblue]

Im not arsed about reading about how unhappy people on brfcs are, you can see that from the comments on the LT's own website.

Barclays loan

Agnew

sam's sacking

SEM

Kean's appointment

so many issues, do some bloody journalism, not telling us that Keano believes 'the goal was the turning point', we know, I've hears the cretin on SSNews about 20 times already.

[Mercer]

Understand the predicament that LT faces, however, they do need to be a bit more 'ballsy'.

I remember David Allin in the Jim Iley reign and he was brutally honest and wore his heart on his sleeve.

Anything less than headlining that Kean has now lost the support completely and the club is in crisis will be a 'cop-out'.

Come on Andy Cryer, now is the time to show your real journalistic traits. Or, are you just an Agnew puppet !?!?

[Gamst]

I quite like Andy Cryer. Heard him on talksport and he seemed to know what he is talking about and seemed like a decent chap. I appreciate that he is probably walking a tight rope with respect to keeping the club onside and maintaining the flow of info. Having said that, this is the life of a journo and occasionally you have to put your arse on the line when there is an important issue that needs raising. The displeasure of the fans is certainly newsworthy. The stats are astonishing! 6 fans in our poll out of nearly 300 voters support him and I suspect they are Burnley fans. Many more people voted 'don't care' for heavens sake! If you also read the comments on the LET it is quite incredible. I don't think any manager has ever been so roundly hated. I really don't like a lot of the character bashing on the LET as it gets very personal, but you can't argue with any of the footballing arguments. He is absolutely useless at managing a football team and the fans are very aware of this. The fans are also clearly apoplectic about the whole ownership debacle. These things simply must be reported on Mr. Cryer.

[bellamy11]

Come on Andy Cryer, now is the time to show your real journalistic traits. Or, are you just an Agnew puppet !?!?

The man has a job to do and likely a family to feed and a mortgage to pay. Maybe he wants to report on the more hard-hitting negative stuff, but you follow the editorial agenga - whatever that may be. Clearly the LT wants to maintain good relations with figures within the club and that seems to mean holding back. Sad, but that's their perogative. Andy Cryer has a boss and like most people will do what his boss wants. I do it every day, as will almost everyone here.

[Ewoodite]

Has anyone seen Cryer's match report today in LT. Seems as though he is saying what we are all saying on here. Don't think you can accuse him of not being 'ballsy' here.

But the time has surely come when pussy-footing so as not to lose privileges with the club cannot any longer be used as a valid excuse for failing to address issues that have gone beyond the realms of a few website/forum naysayers expressing a murmur of disgruntlement.

The sheer weight of anti-Kean material posted since Saturday is truly mind-blowing and to not reflect this is gross dereliction of a duty to inform the readership what is going on.

Rovers' current situation is unacceptable to all but the most jingoistic, blinkered cheerleader who refuses to observe the predicament with any measure of critical faculty.

As a journalist who would have loved to but never landed the Rovers job with the Telegraph in my younger days I realise people will say I have my own agenda, sour grapes etc, but when such an overwhelming volume of public opinion is mounting up against Kean/Venkys I believe it is almost tantamount to cowardice to fail to convey this.

So what if PAPR and Rovers ban the Telegraph correspondent from the Press Box? Pay for a ticket and report from elsewhere on the ground. Other papers have bravely flown in the face of such pathetic bans by their clubs. You may even find that a brave, confrontational approach voicing your customers' concerns increases the circulation!

Interview people who may not be able to trot out the offical party line but may have a different and very valid insight and passion - you may even find their opinions are more instructive and apposite than, say, Kean saying we played really well when even my six-year-old can tell that isn't true and that Rochina is going to be a good 'un one unspecified day in a future we might not have any more if this wretched sequence events runs to what looks an inevitable conclusion.

[sambo]

He was as scathing as he is probably allowed to be in the match report based on Saturday's game.

Lots of jibes at Kean's comments without being too direct