[Archived] MESSAGE TO VENKYS

[Majiball]

I think you have made the mistake of thinking that you actually matter.

I don't think Jack did what he did for you either, he did it for himself (with the caveat that by doing what he did he made a lot of people happy). Do you think most fans think of Blackburn as a family club? In my experience they think of the way we "bought" the title.

We were one of the clubs that first benefitted from a benevolent owner. I don't see us as being fundamentally different than any other team. You sound slightly crazy about all this. Change is difficult and some people struggle more than others. But hoping things go back to how they used to be is effectively p****** in the wind.

A tribute to Jack

Walker Wanted to give something back to Blackburn

Blackburn are a warm family club.

When did I say Jack did it all for me? As usual you read something else to what is written and ignore the point of the post.

If I'd wanted to make it all about me as you state I'd have nominated myself instead I put forward the name of another more suited and more experienced to this type of thing. I have no issue with change Bucky, my whole life is about invoking change in the scientific world, but not all change is good Bucky. You might remember me campaigning for change at the academy when I first joined, proof positive that I will embrace change when it's needed. I've not met many rovers who say those things about our club or Jack and I'm going to leave those comments and put it down to you wanting to attempt to provoke me, again. I think the first link shows that Jack wasn't all about himself as you believe him to have been.

You say crazy I say passionate at least its better than being stupid.

I'm far from the first person to ask our owners to talk to us and actually spell out their 'vision' and I won't be the last. but you enjoy sitting there rejoicing in change occurring when it's not needed or warranted.

[sparkspakespoke]

I think Williams and the whole issue of trust ownership get too intermingled.

The trust never spoke to us as fans, in fact in the brief interviews Venkys have given they engaged with us far more than the trust ever did. Too much for some peoples liking and there were a fair few calls on here for tehm to sit back and stay quiet for a while.

I do think the calls for the owners to comincate with us are misguided though, particually when JW is used as a comparison as its not a valid one. Now Hunt has been appointed I'm hopeful the comunication will improve and the club will engage with the fans in the first rate way we used to see under JW. Venkeys need to decide if Hunt is the man in charge and if he is then its up to him to implement some positive changes, Venkys IMO should stay in teh background.

[Kelbo]

I think Williams and the whole issue of trust ownership get too intermingled.

The trust never spoke to us as fans, in fact in the brief interviews Venkys have given they engaged with us far more than the trust ever did. Too much for some peoples liking and there were a fair few calls on here for tehm to sit back and stay quiet for a while.

I do think the calls for the owners to comincate with us are misguided though, particually when JW is used as a comparison as its not a valid one. Now Hunt has been appointed I'm hopeful the comunication will improve and the club will engage with the fans in the first rate way we used to see under JW. Venkeys need to decide if Hunt is the man in charge and if he is then its up to him to implement some positive changes, Venkys IMO should stay in teh background.

Because each time they made a comment, it was either stupid or lies!!!

[sparkspakespoke]

Yep that was the point I was making. Was just trying to imply it rather than insult them again.

After yesterday i'm feeling slightly better inclined to them. If things dont change then i'll give up on them. For now i'll give them a second chance and hope they prove themselves, not like there's any other choice really.

[ABBEY]

Someone needs to inform the venkys that if they were not lying when they quoted ,champions league,top 8 and a cup win then a lot more than £5million will be required!

[cruz]

Champions league AND Top 8?

[cruz]

Champions league AND Top 8?

[Steve Moss]

Someone needs to inform the venkys that if they were not lying when they quoted ,champions league,top 8 and a cup win then a lot more than £5million will be required!

Venkys has a lot of learning to do. I hope the lessons are not too expensive for them.

[LWX]

spineless people rarely succeed.

in the world of corporate business spineless people succeed all the time...

[AndyC]

IF we sell Phil Jones, it will be an excellent bit of business by the Venkys.

Just think - they could sell Phil and Samba for £35M and then just have £10 of debt to clear and they would be sitting on a handsome investment, providing they keep the club in the PL each year.

Obviously not what I want, but it is a scenario that could happen...

[M-K]

IF we sell Phil Jones, it will be an excellent bit of business by the Venkys.

Just think - they could sell Phil and Samba for £35M and then just have £10 of debt to clear and they would be sitting on a handsome investment, providing they keep the club in the PL each year.

Obviously not what I want, but it is a scenario that could happen...

That's what I'd do if I was in their position. The club isn't what they expected, so why not make a profit before getting out of there.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

That's what I'd do if I was in their position. The club isn't what they expected, so why not make a profit before getting out of there.

So they sell Jones for say £16? Samba for for 12ish? That's £28m back of the circa £50m they forked out for a club that is now worth a fair bit less than what they paid for it. Then they have to go about shifting the club which took The Walker Trust around 4 years. After that procees they might clear around £10m in profit if they are lucky.

Ffs.

[broadsword]

They paid £50m for the club?

I thought they only took on servicing of debts, and not repayment of principle?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

They paid £50m for the club?

I thought they only took on servicing of debts, and not repayment of principle?

Circa £50m? Didn't the Trust get paid? Serious question, I genuinely dont know.

(If you do know please try to give a non partizan answer)

[AndyC]

Circa £50m? Didn't the Trust get paid? Serious question, I genuinely dont know.

(If you do know please try to give a non partizan answer)

i think the price of the club was £25M and the debt of £20M

There were some stories that came out, that they had taken out a mortgage to service the debt, but I'm not sure of the truth on that one.

[Paul]

From memory the trust received £23m and the debt was £22m giving an effective price of £45m plus there was a commitment to pay the trust £1m per annum for three years.

A new facility was taken with Barclays using the worldwide media income for the past season as security. No one can say if or for what this facility has or will be used.

As the season is now finished I wonder if the facility is closed?

[roversmum]

Why is this being discussed in a thread entitled 'Message to Venkys'?

My message to Venky's is this: We were led to believe that Blackburn Rovers is no longer a selling club. Therefore, why is one of our best prospects allegedly being allowed - nay, encouraged - to leave; and please do not allow Mr Kean to buy Roque Santa Cruz (almost certainly at some considerable cost) who has shown us absolutely no reason why he should be re-signed at Blackburn Rovers.

[Blue n White Rover]

Why is this being discussed in a thread entitled 'Message to Venkys'?

My message to Venky's is this: We were led to believe that Blackburn Rovers is no longer a selling club. Therefore, why is one of our best prospects allegedly being allowed - nay, encouraged - to leave; and please do not allow Mr Kean to buy Roque Santa Cruz (almost certainly at some considerable cost) who has shown us absolutely no reason why he should be re-signed at Blackburn Rovers.

We are NO longer a selling club.

He is not being allowed to leave, the only way he will leave is, if the £16m clause in his contract is triggered. Under the Walker Trust we sold several players who had the clause in their contract triggered. Venky's are no different. We have to insert these clauses to get a healthy fee, and tie the player down to a contract.

You can't blame Venky's for Jones' departure. It's Jones' decision and one which many think he has already made.

So your first point is invalid.

Agree with Roque though.

[roversmum]

I am well aware of this, Blue and White Rover, we have been there many times before, and I have been around for quite a while. As far as I am concerned, a release clause is as good as a 'for sale' sign, because if there isn't one you can tell unwanted suitors to go elsewhere.

My main worry is that when Phil goes, the money will not be used wisely - indeed if the Manager is allowed to use it at all, and the effect it will have on the other players. To say nothing of the effect it will have on the fans.

[Blue n White Rover]

I am well aware of this, Blue and White Rover, we have been there many times before, and I have been around for quite a while. As far as I am concerned, a release clause is as good as a 'for sale' sign, because if there isn't one you can tell unwanted suitors to go elsewhere.

My main worry is that when Phil goes, the money will not be used wisely - indeed if the Manager is allowed to use it at all, and the effect it will have on the other players. To say nothing of the effect it will have on the fans.

Either we insert the release clause within the contract, or the player won't sign the contract. It's as simple as that I'm afraid. Bellamy would never have signed if we never inserted his release clause, Roque only signed a new contract so Rovers could get the maximum available for him and I'm presuming Jones or his agent wanted the same. Otherwise we would have risked losing him for nothing. Whose to say there wasn't a release clause in his previous contract?

You can't really win either way if you're the owners. Just another stick to beat them with.

[PAFELL]

From memory the trust received £23m and the debt was £22m giving an effective price of £45m plus there was a commitment to pay the trust £1m per annum for three years.

A new facility was taken with Barclays using the worldwide media income for the past season as security. No one can say if or for what this facility has or will be used.

As the season is now finished I wonder if the facility is closed?

Er it has also been mentioned venkys want to move to ewood park.

[Billy Castell]

Greetings!

Thanks, We appreciate your suggestions,

We are not selling the player Mr. Philip Jones and from this transfer season we are not encouraging any agents .

Regards

Vineeth Rao

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I felt like being mischievous and reiterating the e-mail I got in early May. Maybe they didn't expect that someone would trigger this alleged clause. Maybe they're big fat liars. I don't know.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I am well aware of this, Blue and White Rover, we have been there many times before, and I have been around for quite a while. As far as I am concerned, a release clause is as good as a 'for sale' sign, because if there isn't one you can tell unwanted suitors to go elsewhere.

My main worry is that when Phil goes, the money will not be used wisely - indeed if the Manager is allowed to use it at all, and the effect it will have on the other players. To say nothing of the effect it will have on the fans.

The sad fact is Mum that these players,even youngster's like Jones, have their prospective clubs by the short and curlys...they hold ALL the Aces.(and dont they know it! )

Its not right but that's how horrible and unfare modern football has become.

[broadsword]

From memory the trust received £23m and the debt was £22m giving an effective price of £45m plus there was a commitment to pay the trust £1m per annum for three years.

A new facility was taken with Barclays using the worldwide media income for the past season as security. No one can say if or for what this facility has or will be used.

As the season is now finished I wonder if the facility is closed?

Yes, £23m is the figure I remember.

As for the question of debt, I honestly don't know if it was paid off or whether they only undertook to service it. I think there was a question of semantics from what they said in public that it wasn't 100% clear.

So their actual outlay could have been just £23m.

[den]

Either we insert the release clause within the contract, or the player won't sign the contract. It's as simple as that I'm afraid.

That's where negotiators come in.

Why do we seem to have sold more players through release clauses, than other clubs outside the top four or five?